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January 15, 2014 7:39:26 AM

First off, I haven't read the entire cooling area which is likely a wealth of information. It's not because I'm lazy, just short on time this afternoon, getting ready for work. I'm definitely going to read it, after all that's what these forums are for. In the meantime, wondering if there are any good starting points some of you might know of offhand. Originally I had decided on a Noctua. A couple of you helped out tremendously providing me some links to my first question and that got the fan turning :p . Yeah.. anyway, I have a few concerns, and honestly I feel like overall my options are terrible.

I'd assume most of you can relate, be it a $150 cpu or a $500 one like I'm going to get; that no one wants a bunch of water leaking into their gaming system, nor do you want a big giant ass fan warping your motherboard. See my predicament? I kind of feel like maybe Intel or AMD for that matter might have somehow improved the entire design of their chips so that heat isn't such a stalemate with these newer boards. I won't be overclocking by the way, and I'll include my system specs for anyone who is interested. I just want to build a strong, stable system that will carry me for a good 3-4 years of gaming.

I'm not happy with any of the cooling options, but I'm willing to drop about $200 on the best solution I can come up with, and reliability is first, followed by silence. I'm not afraid of a little modding either, considered a Noctua with maybe an extra support brace to help prevent MB damage. Anyway, time to roll, but will follow up after work. Thank you kindly in advance for any and all input, friends.

Specs: Fractal Design Arc XL - Full tower - extended ATX - no power supply ( ATX ) - black - USB/Audio $150

Asus X79-Deluxe Intel X79 Socket 2011 Motherboard $350

SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM3 Active PFC F3) 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready $177

Kingston HyperX Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 Desktop Memory Model KHX21C11T3K2/16X

-EVGA 03G-P4-2781-KR GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card $568

-Intel Core i7-4930K Processor - Six Core, 12MB L3 Cache, 3.4GHz(3.9GHz Max Turbo), Socket LGA2011, 130W, Unlocked, OEM (BX80633I74930K) $578

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January 15, 2014 7:57:56 AM

You won't need a support brace with the Noctua unless you move the tower around a lot or transport it a lot. That motherboard is high quality and sturdy. If it's going to sit on or under a desk, you won't have to worry about any brace.

Since you're not overclocking...

I've been using H50s and H80s for a few years on various platforms with no problems and most recently on my 3930K. I used to worry about the water, but after my experience with these things over the past few years I do not any longer (at least with the Corsair AIO liquid coolers).

I like it because it provides a clean look over the motherboard and doesn't block any RAM slots. My H80 keeps max temps while running heat and stress tests in the mid 60Cs. No miracles, but does the job, looks nice, and doesn't get in the way of anything. From an aesthetics standpoint, it's a lot nicer to look at the various parts of the motherboard, in my opinion, than metal fins and the top of beige (albeit high quality) fans over half of my motherboard. Just wanted to give you my experience with it since you were not quite sure about what you're going to choose. I wouldn't recommend the H80 to an overclocker, but they do better than stock fans and offer their own advantages as discussed. The Corsair build quality is great.

The other components in your build look great, but I'm partial to the NZXT Phantom 630 because of the drive bay configurations and the amount of space you have to work with in the case. There are also SSD mounts on the backside of the motherboard tray. If you don't mind the less conservative profile compared to the Fractal, check it out.

Every thing about that build is great though. Great power, motherboard, GPU,... everything.
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January 15, 2014 8:07:52 AM

Hello... http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-lga2011-cpu-cooler-ro... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/LGA-2011-i7-3960X-A...
Always get a Fan Cooler mounted with a threaded backplate and not push pins to avoid the warping MB situation... those reviews also have a page for weight and size of each model... That 6 core will run warmer than a 4 core i7, and you will need an extra performance Cooler, Unless your just a casual user of heavy computing/processing APPs... extra case fans can help any cooling situation too.
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January 15, 2014 4:41:32 PM

ubercake said:
You won't need a support brace with the Noctua unless you move the tower around a lot or transport it a lot. That motherboard is high quality and sturdy. If it's going to sit on or under a desk, you won't have to worry about any brace.

Since you're not overclocking...

I've been using H50s and H80s for a few years on various platforms with no problems and most recently on my 3930K. I used to worry about the water, but after my experience with these things over the past few years I do not any longer (at least with the Corsair AIO liquid coolers).

I like it because it provides a clean look over the motherboard and doesn't block any RAM slots. My H80 keeps max temps while running heat and stress tests in the mid 60Cs. No miracles, but does the job, looks nice, and doesn't get in the way of anything. From an aesthetics standpoint, it's a lot nicer to look at the various parts of the motherboard, in my opinion, than metal fins and the top of beige (albeit high quality) fans over half of my motherboard. Just wanted to give you my experience with it since you were not quite sure about what you're going to choose. I wouldn't recommend the H80 to an overclocker, but they do better than stock fans and offer their own advantages as discussed. The Corsair build quality is great.

The other components in your build look great, but I'm partial to the NZXT Phantom 630 because of the drive bay configurations and the amount of space you have to work with in the case. There are also SSD mounts on the backside of the motherboard tray. If you don't mind the less conservative profile compared to the Fractal, check it out.

Every thing about that build is great though. Great power, motherboard, GPU,... everything.


Ironsounds said:
Hello... http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-lga2011-cpu-cooler-ro... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/LGA-2011-i7-3960X-A...
Always get a Fan Cooler mounted with a threaded backplate and not push pins to avoid the warping MB situation... those reviews also have a page for weight and size of each model... That 6 core will run warmer than a 4 core i7, and you will need an extra performance Cooler, Unless your just a casual user of heavy computing/processing APPs... extra case fans can help any cooling situation too.


Very helpful Uber and Iron, thank you. I was looking at the NZXT Phantom 630 and it looks like a beautiful case, I actually built a desk for this pc to slip into and when I first saw the Fractal Arc XL, it seemed slender enough for the cubby on the right side of my desk, the shape turned out perfect for it. I am using a HAF at the moment with my older, soon to be passed down AMD-based system. I do love the aesthetics of water coolers, in addition to all the extra space.

One thing that turned me off about the Noctua besides the hideous color is the weight, and of course the fact that you have to really select the DDR3 carefully or it simply won't fit beneath the heatsink. The one thing I'm hoping is easy about the Fractal case (won't know until the case arrives by Friday or so) is swapping the red power led for a green one.I was planning on getting a DECK "toxic" keyboard as well to match the green case fans but sadly, they seem to be discontinued. :( 

A few vendors have them left but I'm worried they will be gone by the time my biggest source of funding is ready. I'm still on the fence as to water vs air, I suppose it's time for a serious weighing of the pros and cons. Let's assume a water cooler did break, do you think the manufacturer would replace the damaged parts? Hard to imagine they would. :( 
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January 16, 2014 6:45:43 AM

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A few vendors have them left but I'm worried they will be gone by the time my biggest source of funding is ready. I'm still on the fence as to water vs air, I suppose it's time for a serious weighing of the pros and cons. Let's assume a water cooler did break, do you think the manufacturer would replace the damaged parts? Hard to imagine they would. :( 


Some companies might offer good-faith replacements to damaged items, but I doubt any company would explicitly state they cover damage to other items in their warranty terms (I would think most would state the contrary). There's definitely a risk putting anything liquid near electronics, but at this point the risk with the all-in-one liquid coolers leaking is close to nil. I would imagine evaporation, however slight, might be more of an issue over a long period of time. I pretty much commit to replacing my coolers just prior to the warranty expiring to keep everything 'fresh'. In the case of an H80, that's around four years and eleven months.
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January 16, 2014 2:56:32 PM

ubercake said:
Razathor said:
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A few vendors have them left but I'm worried they will be gone by the time my biggest source of funding is ready. I'm still on the fence as to water vs air, I suppose it's time for a serious weighing of the pros and cons. Let's assume a water cooler did break, do you think the manufacturer would replace the damaged parts? Hard to imagine they would. :( 


Some companies might offer good-faith replacements to damaged items, but I doubt any company would explicitly state they cover damage to other items in their warranty terms (I would think most would state the contrary). There's definitely a risk putting anything liquid near electronics, but at this point the risk with the all-in-one liquid coolers leaking is close to nil. I would imagine evaporation, however slight, might be more of an issue over a long period of time. I pretty much commit to replacing my coolers just prior to the warranty expiring to keep everything 'fresh'. In the case of an H80, that's around four years and eleven months.


I have to admit Uber, you almost have me sold. Do you find them to be noisy at all? Generally noise wouldn't have even been a major issue for me. In fact, I nearly enjoyed one of my older gaming rigs sounding like an F15 lol, but my wife has always had a few complaints about it now and again, so I went with the hydraulic fans in the case, and ordered two green lit cougar 140s. I wonder if I could replace the fans that come with one of the water coolers, assuming there is one that sports 140mm fans?

Thanks again for all your insight my friend.
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January 17, 2014 5:39:23 AM

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I have to admit Uber, you almost have me sold. Do you find them to be noisy at all? Generally noise wouldn't have even been a major issue for me. In fact, I nearly enjoyed one of my older gaming rigs sounding like an F15 lol, but my wife has always had a few complaints about it now and again, so I went with the hydraulic fans in the case, and ordered two green lit cougar 140s. I wonder if I could replace the fans that come with one of the water coolers, assuming there is one that sports 140mm fans?

Thanks again for all your insight my friend.

The all-in-one liquid coolers are as noisy as the fan(s) you use on the radiator. I use two Xigmatek 1253 120s on my H80 radiator. I have heard the stock fans included with the Corsair coolers are loud, though I've never even tried them. I looked for high CFM low dBA fans when selecting (rated around 70 CFM and <20 dBA each).

I think the H90 is a 140mm model. Larger fans are generally quieter, but I would still choose my own over stock to keep the noise down.

Since I got my Phantom 630 with the 200mm fans on the side, front and the top, the noise has been reduced significantly. I used to have 8 120s in my old case. The new setup is much quieter.

The larger the fans you can use the better when it comes to keeping noise down.
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