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January 15, 2014 9:32:59 AM

hi guys. im going to build a new rig and im kinda short on budget so im planning to build an apu first then add gfx card later. what apu do you think has the best price performance ratio? some says im better with an a8 because a10 wont really give me much of a boost. what do you think guys?
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January 15, 2014 9:45:19 AM

If you're on a strict budget for with an A8 because the difference in performnce is NOT massive but since you plan on adding a gpu i'd say grab the A10 for the stronger processing power.
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January 15, 2014 10:02:09 AM

I would just buy a 750k and a 7750 or 7770. Better performance/$ than any APU. What is your budget?
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January 15, 2014 10:08:53 AM

logainofhades said:
I would just buy a 750k and a 7750 or 7770. Better performance/$ than any APU. What is your budget?


well im under 400 dollars so im thinking of buying an a8 or 10 now with a 2400 ram. then ill buy either an r9 270x or a 7950 when i saved enough money. so if the a8 6600k wont bottleneck any of the cards i said. im going to go with a8 cause i think the performance of a10 isnt significantly faster than a8.
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January 15, 2014 10:12:19 AM

Just to throw this out there, it is a bit over your budget though.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M PRO4+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($190.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $420.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-15 13:11 EST-0500)
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January 15, 2014 10:15:31 AM

logainofhades said:
Just to throw this out there, it is a bit over your budget though.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75M PRO4+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($190.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $420.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-15 13:11 EST-0500)


naa i cant cause here in the Philippines, nobody sells 760k and pc parts are more expensive by 10-20 dollars. and you didnt even add the psu, case and hard drive there

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January 15, 2014 10:17:20 AM

You might want to look into a Haswell Pentium G and a nice midrange dedicated card. APU performance is not even as good as an old Phenom II on the CPU side. Something maybe like this. You could go cheaper on the board if necessary and then upgrade to an i5 later and have a very solid rig.

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CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($62.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($184.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $397.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-15 13:15 EST-0500)
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January 15, 2014 10:27:37 AM

if you need a whole system for $400 then the A8 will be okay, just don't expect amazing things from it. I'll have a look at some parts from the stores in your area as well.
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January 15, 2014 10:30:31 AM

logainofhades said:
You might want to look into a Haswell Pentium G and a nice midrange dedicated card. APU performance is not even as good as an old Phenom II on the CPU side. Something maybe like this. You could go cheaper on the board if necessary and then upgrade to an i5 later and have a very solid rig.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($62.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($184.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $397.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-15 13:15 EST-0500)


that build will surely bottleneck the gpu.
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January 15, 2014 10:31:34 AM

AshyCFC said:
if you need a whole system for $400 then the A8 will be okay, just don't expect amazing things from it. I'll have a look at some parts from the stores in your area as well.


yeah i would be okay playing lower resolution for the moment. till i get an r9. do you think an a8 will bottleneck it? im going to buy a good cooler so i think ill be able to reach 4.6ghz
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January 15, 2014 10:35:35 AM

A Haswell pentium G can handle an R9 270. It is basically an HD 7870. Only in games that use more than 2 cores will give you any trouble and even then it would be far superior to an APU build using the IGP. So you get to play most games now, with decent framerates, and wait on a better CPU later. I wouldn't go above an HD 7870 or R9 270 with an APU. They are weaker clock for clock than a Phenom II. A phenom II 965 @ 4.0ghz is still faster than a 750k @ 4.3.
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January 15, 2014 10:44:35 AM

logainofhades said:
A Haswell pentium G can handle an R9 270. It is basically an HD 7870. Only in games that use more than 2 cores will give you any trouble and even then it would be far superior to an APU build using the IGP.


nah i dont think so if i play crysis 3 which is a core extensive game that will surely give me problems. rushing to buy an r9 270x. then because of that great bottleneck ill need to rush getting an i5 which will cost me 200 dollars. yes it will perform better than the a8 with igpu. but it will cost me more if i go with your build for i need to get an i5. what im thinking is if the a8 wont bottleneck the r9. then ill just settle with my a8 with igpu first then get an r9 later which i think could save more money than what you suggest
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January 15, 2014 10:51:03 AM

An i5 is cheaper than a new GPU. I was giving you a solution at the cost you gave that is far superior to an APU. Unless that $400 is for the whole build, then I was mistaken and apologize. I was under the impression that this was for APU, Motherboard, and Ram. An R9 270x isn't really much faster than an R9 270. Crysis 3 btw, an FX 6300 or i5 is recommended by THG as the minimum CPU. ;) 
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January 15, 2014 10:53:50 AM

what about this build? SEASONIC S12II-520 520W 80+BRONZE

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its around 21000 and i dont know why each part was copy pasted twice. from:http://pcx.com.ph/checkout/cart/
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January 15, 2014 9:55:22 PM

logainofhades said:
An i5 is cheaper than a new GPU. I was giving you a solution at the cost you gave that is far superior to an APU. Unless that $400 is for the whole build, then I was mistaken and apologize. I was under the impression that this was for APU, Motherboard, and Ram. An R9 270x isn't really much faster than an R9 270. Crysis 3 btw, an FX 6300 or i5 is recommended by THG as the minimum CPU. ;) 


yeah i actually have 550 dollars for my cpu. but if i go with an fx 6300 then get maybe an r9 or 7850. then ill have to limit my ram to 4gb1600 then get a crappy low tier board a decent psu , an hdd and a mid tier case. what im thinking if it wiser to build an apu now to maximize other parts. maybe with an a8 6600k couple it with a 2x4b 2400 ram. buy an ssd and an hdd a good board and case. then ill just an r9 270 after a few months for a better all around performance. my problem is if my a8 6600k will hold back r9. or would it be wiser to go with an fx because ram wouldnt play a large role on playing games?

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January 15, 2014 10:01:09 PM

AshyCFC said:
what about this build? SEASONIC S12II-520 520W 80+BRONZE

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its around 21000 and i dont know why each part was copy pasted twice. from:http://pcx.com.ph/checkout/cart/


isnt a 4100 a crappy chip? i saw many negative comments about it. and i thing a 7770 wouldnt be sufficient with a 1920x1080p reso. i know an a8 even if coupled with a 2x4gb 2400 ram isnt also capable of that. but if i build an apu first i would be able to maximize my budget get an ssd good board good ram good case decent psu and buy later an r9 270 if my a8 wont bottlenck the r9. or perhaps it is wiser to stretch my budget with an fx 6300 and r9 with a crappy board 4gb 1600 ram a decent psu a decent case because the processing power of a8 would hurt my r9? cause im thinking if i build a Good APU system now i would be able to maximize my budget with other parts as well

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January 15, 2014 10:16:04 PM

In the US, I don't see A8-7600 for sale yet, but there is a A10-6790k for $130, same price as a Core i3-4150. For me, it would be a toss up between these two. If you don't need the iGPU, their performance for CPU-only compute is pretty much the same, give or take a little.
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January 16, 2014 12:27:21 AM

No point in an apu if you plan on putting a gpu card discrete Chip. Change fx-4100 for fx-4300 then I think fx-4300+Hd 7770 note: fx-4300 is 500 pesos more
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January 16, 2014 12:38:11 AM

AshyCFC said:
No point in an apu if you plan on putting a gpu card discrete Chip. Change fx-4100 for fx-4300 then I think fx-4300+Hd 7770 note: fx-4300 is 500 pesos more


will a 7770 be able to play high on bf4 on a 1920x1080 monitor without AA?

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January 16, 2014 2:41:07 AM

Yes easily.But only 30fps.
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January 16, 2014 3:12:34 AM

To be honest, I would bite the bullet and buy I5-4570, it's a very good CPU and it has a decent iGPU in it. It's not as good as A8 or A10 when it comes to GPU, but the CPU part is top notch and if you are planning on buying discrete GPU, then it instantly makes I5 a MUCH better choice, while being similar in price.

I think that it is a mistake for you to buy A8 or A10 if you are planning on buying R9 anything... it is literally throwing money away, since A8 and A10 are HORRIBLE as CPUs.

I5 would be a better choice for you now over FX-4100 suggestion also because I5 in itself has iGPU, so no need to waste money on GPU now.

And finally... what is your current rig? Maybe you can just buy a new kickass GPU and then get everything else afterwards? It's pretty much what I did and it worked out real good for me.
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January 16, 2014 3:26:04 AM

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To be honest, I would bite the bullet and buy I5-4570, it's a very good CPU and it has a decent iGPU in it. It's not as good as A8 or A10 when it comes to GPU, but the CPU part is top notch and if you are planning on buying discrete GPU, then it instantly makes I5 a MUCH better choice, while being similar in price.

I think that it is a mistake for you to buy A8 or A10 if you are planning on buying R9 anything... it is literally throwing money away, since A8 and A10 are HORRIBLE as CPUs.

I5 would be a better choice for you now over FX-4100 suggestion also because I5 in itself has iGPU, so no need to waste money on GPU now.

And finally... what is your current rig? Maybe you can just buy a new kickass GPU and then get everything else afterwards? It's pretty much what I did and it worked out real good for me.


going i5 means my rig wont even play any crysis or bf title since i'll need to wait before i can buy a gpu

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January 16, 2014 3:31:47 AM

vince232 said:
Gaidax said:
To be honest, I would bite the bullet and buy I5-4570, it's a very good CPU and it has a decent iGPU in it. It's not as good as A8 or A10 when it comes to GPU, but the CPU part is top notch and if you are planning on buying discrete GPU, then it instantly makes I5 a MUCH better choice, while being similar in price.

I think that it is a mistake for you to buy A8 or A10 if you are planning on buying R9 anything... it is literally throwing money away, since A8 and A10 are HORRIBLE as CPUs.

I5 would be a better choice for you now over FX-4100 suggestion also because I5 in itself has iGPU, so no need to waste money on GPU now.

And finally... what is your current rig? Maybe you can just buy a new kickass GPU and then get everything else afterwards? It's pretty much what I did and it worked out real good for me.


going i5 means my rig wont even play any crysis or bf title since i'll need to wait before i can buy a gpu



So you will wait a couple of months and will end up with a kickass rig for years to come or buy A8/A10 will "enjoy" your low/medium BF title for the years to come, because even if you buy better GPU you will still be dragged down by A8 CPU forever...

Your choice.
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January 16, 2014 4:05:36 AM

Buy an A8 now then later buy a R7 250 ddr3 and crossfire when AMD releases proper dual graphics drivers.
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January 16, 2014 4:19:04 AM

Gaidax said:
vince232 said:
Gaidax said:
To be honest, I would bite the bullet and buy I5-4570, it's a very good CPU and it has a decent iGPU in it. It's not as good as A8 or A10 when it comes to GPU, but the CPU part is top notch and if you are planning on buying discrete GPU, then it instantly makes I5 a MUCH better choice, while being similar in price.

I think that it is a mistake for you to buy A8 or A10 if you are planning on buying R9 anything... it is literally throwing money away, since A8 and A10 are HORRIBLE as CPUs.

I5 would be a better choice for you now over FX-4100 suggestion also because I5 in itself has iGPU, so no need to waste money on GPU now.

And finally... what is your current rig? Maybe you can just buy a new kickass GPU and then get everything else afterwards? It's pretty much what I did and it worked out real good for me.


going i5 means my rig wont even play any crysis or bf title since i'll need to wait before i can buy a gpu



So you will wait a couple of months and will end up with a kickass rig for years to come or buy A8/A10 will "enjoy" your low/medium BF title for the years to come, because even if you buy better GPU you will still be dragged down by A8 CPU forever...

Your choice.


f*ck thats good. im going to consider this. but to save a couple more bucks. will the performance of an i5 be miles away with an 8320 with gaming? i know intel kicks amd's ass single thread but how about when running multi thread when amd can utilize more cores?

by the way i can only go for i5 4430 or 4440

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January 16, 2014 4:38:41 AM

Okay, the 8320 is alright but yes those i5s are better. What about fx-6300 and a R9 270? If you can afford it now. If not be patient get 4430(you won't be able to play bf4 until you get a gpu
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January 16, 2014 4:44:40 AM

8320 without a doubt.

Whoops, read CPU not APU .. Nevermind :) 
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January 16, 2014 5:01:15 AM

AshyCFC said:
Okay, the 8320 is alright but yes those i5s are better. What about fx-6300 and a R9 270? If you can afford it now. If not be patient get 4430(you won't be able to play bf4 until you get a gpu


yeah i can afford a 6300 now and an r9 270 but other parts will suffer . ill wait so i wont really need an upgrade for the next couple of years. hey do you think i5's will still be better when the time come when games really require about 6 cores? will the extra cores of 8320 be more accomodating for the future?

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January 16, 2014 5:17:42 AM

Games may in future get optimised for 6/8 cores due to consoles using 8cores so the answer is "maybe" just a quick question: you don't plan to stream do you?
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January 16, 2014 5:26:07 AM

AshyCFC said:
Games may in future get optimised for 6/8 cores due to consoles using 8cores so the answer is "maybe" just a quick question: you don't plan to stream do you?


nope. just gaming and im not a hardcore gamer either. i play bf4 crysis 3 and other titles casually when im bored. and i never play those games for more than 2 hours i get bored also hahah. i just wanna build a pc that i wont need to upgrade for maybe 2-3 years.

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January 16, 2014 6:40:03 AM

What is your current system? Might be a good idea to just upgrade PSU and GPU to something you can afford and willing to pay, even if it will be bottlenecked by your current CPU heavily. You can always reuse it in the new rig. :) 
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January 16, 2014 7:21:18 AM

logainofhades said:
What is your current system? Might be a good idea to just upgrade PSU and GPU to something you can afford and willing to pay, even if it will be bottlenecked by your current CPU heavily. You can always reuse it in the new rig. :) 


i have an fx 6300
msi 880GMS-E41 (FX)
evga gtx 650ti
4gb kingston hyperx black 1600
thermaltke litepower 500w
gammax s40
seagate 500gb.

well im kinda disappointed with my gtx650ti as it have random stuttering with bf4. i dont know whats the problem as i have high fps but there is this random stuttering i experience. i have the latest drivers. i even reinstalled directx and etc. im thinking maybe bf4 is optimized with amd so there is still bugs with nvidia cards.
Plus im actually disappointed with my board. bought an fx to play with it with overclocking but my board is crap for overclocking. cant even get higher 4.1

so im thinking how to rebuild my rig
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January 16, 2014 7:37:50 AM

vince232 said:
logainofhades said:
What is your current system? Might be a good idea to just upgrade PSU and GPU to something you can afford and willing to pay, even if it will be bottlenecked by your current CPU heavily. You can always reuse it in the new rig. :) 


i have an fx 6300
msi 880GMS-E41 (FX)
evga gtx 650ti
4gb kingston hyperx black 1600
thermaltke litepower 500w
gammax s40
seagate 500gb.

well im kinda disappointed with my gtx650ti as it have random stuttering with bf4. i dont know whats the problem as i have high fps but there is this random stuttering i experience. i have the latest drivers. i even reinstalled directx and etc. im thinking maybe bf4 is optimized with amd so there is still bugs with nvidia cards.
Plus im actually disappointed with my board. bought an fx to play with it with overclocking but my board is crap for overclocking. cant even get higher 4.1

so im thinking how to rebuild my rig


Erm, mate... you get your random stuttering first and foremost because you only have 4gb RAM... really, just buy another 4gb stick of memory and your stuttering is gone.

Also, while at it, since you obviously have some spare cash now, you can just buy some good 250-300$ GPU and it will be TONS better than your previous plan. You current CPU is really OK, it's not like OMG KILLER, but it totally smokes A8/A10 or A-whatever you can get now.

So, really, m8, just buy extra 4 gb memory, a GOOD and expensive GPU (pour your soul into it!) and you have a golden rig there already.
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January 16, 2014 7:42:59 AM

Your CPU is decent enough. An APU would have been a major downgrade. I would just upgrade and rebuild on what you have. Something like this and then matching ram to get you to 8gb. You would need a new PSU for anything better. A 270x is far better than a 650ti.
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Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($101.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $321.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 10:43 EST-0500)
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January 16, 2014 7:45:03 AM

Gaidax said:
vince232 said:
logainofhades said:
What is your current system? Might be a good idea to just upgrade PSU and GPU to something you can afford and willing to pay, even if it will be bottlenecked by your current CPU heavily. You can always reuse it in the new rig. :) 


i have an fx 6300
msi 880GMS-E41 (FX)
evga gtx 650ti
4gb kingston hyperx black 1600
thermaltke litepower 500w
gammax s40
seagate 500gb.

well im kinda disappointed with my gtx650ti as it have random stuttering with bf4. i dont know whats the problem as i have high fps but there is this random stuttering i experience. i have the latest drivers. i even reinstalled directx and etc. im thinking maybe bf4 is optimized with amd so there is still bugs with nvidia cards.
Plus im actually disappointed with my board. bought an fx to play with it with overclocking but my board is crap for overclocking. cant even get higher 4.1

so im thinking how to rebuild my rig


Erm, mate... you get your random stuttering first and foremost because you only have 4gb RAM... really, just buy another 4gb stick of memory and your stuttering is gone.

Also, while at it, since you obviously have some spare cash now, you can just buy some good 250-300$ GPU and it will be TONS better than your previous plan. You current CPU is really OK, it's not like OMG KILLER, but it totally smokes A8/A10 or A-whatever you can get now.

So, really, m8, just buy extra 4 gb memory, a GOOD and expensive GPU (pour your soul into it!) and you have a golden rig there already.


well im actually kinda disappointed with my board and i want some ssd. and im thinking of selling my rig then buy an a8 or a10 first maximize my budget so i can get a good board a good ram and everything else with also an ssd then wait a couple of months and add an r9 270. but there's this guy who said to me i can wait a couple of months get a nice i5 rig which is good for 3-4 years or suffer after buying r9 270 cause my a8 will limit its performance. so i think it would be better if i suffer for a couple of months then buy an i5 rig with an r9 right?

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January 16, 2014 7:45:57 AM

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Your CPU is decent enough. An APU would have been a major downgrade. I would just upgrade and rebuild on what you have. Something like this and then matching ram to get you to 8gb. You would need a new PSU for anything better. A 270x is far better than a 650ti.
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Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($101.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $321.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 10:43 EST-0500)


Why new motherboard??

All he needs is 4gb RAM and I'd take R280 at least, because why the heck not?
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January 16, 2014 7:48:45 AM

vince232 said:
Gaidax said:
vince232 said:
logainofhades said:
What is your current system? Might be a good idea to just upgrade PSU and GPU to something you can afford and willing to pay, even if it will be bottlenecked by your current CPU heavily. You can always reuse it in the new rig. :) 


i have an fx 6300
msi 880GMS-E41 (FX)
evga gtx 650ti
4gb kingston hyperx black 1600
thermaltke litepower 500w
gammax s40
seagate 500gb.

well im kinda disappointed with my gtx650ti as it have random stuttering with bf4. i dont know whats the problem as i have high fps but there is this random stuttering i experience. i have the latest drivers. i even reinstalled directx and etc. im thinking maybe bf4 is optimized with amd so there is still bugs with nvidia cards.
Plus im actually disappointed with my board. bought an fx to play with it with overclocking but my board is crap for overclocking. cant even get higher 4.1

so im thinking how to rebuild my rig


Erm, mate... you get your random stuttering first and foremost because you only have 4gb RAM... really, just buy another 4gb stick of memory and your stuttering is gone.

Also, while at it, since you obviously have some spare cash now, you can just buy some good 250-300$ GPU and it will be TONS better than your previous plan. You current CPU is really OK, it's not like OMG KILLER, but it totally smokes A8/A10 or A-whatever you can get now.

So, really, m8, just buy extra 4 gb memory, a GOOD and expensive GPU (pour your soul into it!) and you have a golden rig there already.


well im actually kinda disappointed with my board and i want some ssd. and im thinking of selling my rig then buy an a8 or a10 first maximize my budget so i can get a good board a good ram and everything else with also an ssd then wait a couple of months and add an r9 270. but there's this guy who said to me i can wait a couple of months get a nice i5 rig which is good for 3-4 years or suffer after buying r9 270 cause my a8 will limit its performance. so i think it would be better if i suffer for a couple of months then buy an i5 rig with an r9 right?



I am that guy... I just had no idea you already have a decent base rig (which it is, minus some GLARING issues you can easily fix)

And no, you don't need to buy any new rig AT ALL... Your board is ok, your CPU is ok...

Things not ok:

1) Only 4GB memory - MAJOR ISSUE, buy another 4GB like NOW! I literally mean it, get out of your house and go buy it at nearest shop or whatever!
2) Your current GPU is suckish - buy something more current and preferably in 300$ range, because it is a good investment in the long run.
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January 16, 2014 7:56:28 AM

Gaidax said:
vince232 said:
Gaidax said:
vince232 said:
logainofhades said:
What is your current system? Might be a good idea to just upgrade PSU and GPU to something you can afford and willing to pay, even if it will be bottlenecked by your current CPU heavily. You can always reuse it in the new rig. :) 


i have an fx 6300
msi 880GMS-E41 (FX)
evga gtx 650ti
4gb kingston hyperx black 1600
thermaltke litepower 500w
gammax s40
seagate 500gb.

well im kinda disappointed with my gtx650ti as it have random stuttering with bf4. i dont know whats the problem as i have high fps but there is this random stuttering i experience. i have the latest drivers. i even reinstalled directx and etc. im thinking maybe bf4 is optimized with amd so there is still bugs with nvidia cards.
Plus im actually disappointed with my board. bought an fx to play with it with overclocking but my board is crap for overclocking. cant even get higher 4.1

so im thinking how to rebuild my rig


Erm, mate... you get your random stuttering first and foremost because you only have 4gb RAM... really, just buy another 4gb stick of memory and your stuttering is gone.

Also, while at it, since you obviously have some spare cash now, you can just buy some good 250-300$ GPU and it will be TONS better than your previous plan. You current CPU is really OK, it's not like OMG KILLER, but it totally smokes A8/A10 or A-whatever you can get now.

So, really, m8, just buy extra 4 gb memory, a GOOD and expensive GPU (pour your soul into it!) and you have a golden rig there already.


well im actually kinda disappointed with my board and i want some ssd. and im thinking of selling my rig then buy an a8 or a10 first maximize my budget so i can get a good board a good ram and everything else with also an ssd then wait a couple of months and add an r9 270. but there's this guy who said to me i can wait a couple of months get a nice i5 rig which is good for 3-4 years or suffer after buying r9 270 cause my a8 will limit its performance. so i think it would be better if i suffer for a couple of months then buy an i5 rig with an r9 right?



I am that guy... I just had no idea you already have a decent base rig (which it is, minus some GLARING issues you can easily fix)

And no, you don't need to buy any new rig AT ALL... Your board is ok, your CPU is ok...

Things not ok:

1) Only 4GB memory - MAJOR ISSUE, buy another 4GB like NOW! I literally mean it, get out of your house and go buy it at nearest shop or whatever!
2) Your current GPU is suckish - buy something more current and preferably in 300$ range, because it is a good investment in the long run.


hahah sorry wasnt able to check if you're that guy, i dont remember user names and i also used 2 threads one in cpu forums and gpu forums.

naah i can only go for 200 dollar card so im leaning towards r9 270. and i really would go for amd cause bf4 and crysis 3 are optimized now for amd. but for the mean time are you sure that my ram is the one that causes stuttering with my bf4? if yes then maybe ill just go for a 4gb ram then buy an r9 later?
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January 16, 2014 7:56:59 AM

Gaidax said:
logainofhades said:
Your CPU is decent enough. An APU would have been a major downgrade. I would just upgrade and rebuild on what you have. Something like this and then matching ram to get you to 8gb. You would need a new PSU for anything better. A 270x is far better than a 650ti.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($101.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $321.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 10:43 EST-0500)


Why new motherboard??

All he needs is 4gb RAM and I'd take R280 at least, because why the heck not?


Because the mention of disappointment of current motherboard. A 280 would need a better PSU.
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January 16, 2014 7:58:58 AM

vince232 said:

hahah sorry wasnt able to check if you're that guy, i dont remember user names and i also used 2 threads one in cpu forums and gpu forums.

naah i can only go for 200 dollar card so im leaning towards r9 270. and i really would go for amd cause bf4 and crysis 3 are optimized now for amd. but for the mean time are you sure that my ram is the one that causes stuttering with my bf4? if yes then maybe ill just go for a 4gb ram then buy an r9 later?



Getting 4gb more ram and an R9 270/270x would be a vast improvement in performance over what you have now.
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January 16, 2014 8:03:27 AM

logainofhades said:
Gaidax said:
logainofhades said:
Your CPU is decent enough. An APU would have been a major downgrade. I would just upgrade and rebuild on what you have. Something like this and then matching ram to get you to 8gb. You would need a new PSU for anything better. A 270x is far better than a 650ti.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($101.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270X 2GB Video Card ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $321.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 10:43 EST-0500)


Why new motherboard??

All he needs is 4gb RAM and I'd take R280 at least, because why the heck not?


Because the mention of disappointment of current motherboard. A 280 would need a better PSU.


yeah this motherboard is crap still have the blue backgroung bios feels like win 98 still pcie 2.0 no usb 3. and i dont know it seems i cant overclock here. back in my a8. i easily overclocked it to 4.5 even the ram to 1866 9 9 9 24. but this motherboard i cant even turn it up a notch.
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January 16, 2014 8:09:18 AM

PCI-E 2.0 is still sufficient for pretty much every single GPU graphics card out there. Even my HD 7970 wouldn't have any bandwidth issues in a PCI-E 2.0 slot.
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January 16, 2014 8:15:43 AM

okay, i've seen this a few times and it's got on my nerves abit, the guy is from the phillipenes(my spelling sucks) can we atleast recommend him parts from his countries retailers using the list on toms?

an fx-6300 +650 laughs at an A8 even if the A8 is OC'D.

Anyway you're best off grabing a stronger PSU,GPU and another stick of RAM(the same as you've got now) or if needs must buy a new PAIR. so you've got about 23/24000 peso's to upgrade current system?
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January 16, 2014 8:15:49 AM

logainofhades said:
PCI-E 2.0 is still sufficient for pretty much every single GPU graphics card out there. Even my HD 7970 wouldn't have any bandwidth issues in a PCI-E 2.0 slot.


yeah doesnt a crappy board also messes up your overclocking?
if im not going to change my procy
then ill just buy a motherboard
4gb of ram then a new gpu.

can you please help me with a new motherboard?

which would rank 1 2 3

http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=28317432
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=28317411
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=28317415
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January 16, 2014 8:23:01 AM

Dude... don't buy a new motherboard, FOR REAL.

I mean, really... it's... pointless? If you want to overclock for real, then you will need a whole lot more than just a motherboard - you need better cooler, better PSU... pointless waste of money really.

Why waste 100$ for nothing? Just put all your cash into memory and GPU, really dude.
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January 16, 2014 8:26:47 AM

I would try to find the board I linked earlier. For overclocking, the 4+1 phase power of those boards isn't sufficient.

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January 16, 2014 8:27:02 AM

AshyCFC said:
okay, i've seen this a few times and it's got on my nerves abit, the guy is from the phillipenes(my spelling sucks) can we atleast recommend him parts from his countries retailers using the list on toms?

an fx-6300 +650 laughs at an A8 even if the A8 is OC'D.

Anyway you're best off grabing a stronger PSU,GPU and another stick of RAM(the same as you've got now) or if needs must buy a new PAIR. so you've got about 23/24000 peso's to upgrade current system?


yeah i know a8 is no match but if im going for an a8 for now then get a nice ram nice mobo and ssd add an r9 later. i would have a better overall system. but if a8 is going to suck complimenting r9 then i might just as well stick with my rig. change the mobo then just add an r9 and get an ssd. which i think would cost more plus my expenses ofcourse for my current rig. than rebuilding with an a8.

by the way here is the cheapest store here http://www.tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=dynaquest...
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January 16, 2014 8:28:40 AM

Why the heck one would even want to try to overclock with 500w PSU and (probably) stock cooler? It's like... hurr? Pointless?

Even if he buys new board, how much overclocking will really do for him compared to pouring those 100$ into a next tier GPU, hmm?

People, think BIG!

And yeah, I know I sound like I am agitated or something, but it just pains me to see a dude wasting money for nothing.
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January 16, 2014 8:29:03 AM

okay i'll have a look on that, also if they deliver across the country suggest it to be added to the list of part retailers on toms.

i suggest these to upgrade your current system:
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=28394905 - new PSU
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=28400458 - 270X GPU, if not in budget a 270
http://www.tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=28396447 - 1333mhz cl9 8gb (weird you have 1600mhz in right now since motherboard takes max 1333mhz)

what'd you think of these part suggestions?
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January 16, 2014 8:29:31 AM

Gaidax said:
Dude... don't buy a new motherboard, FOR REAL.

I mean, really... it's... pointless? If you want to overclock for real, then you will need a whole lot more than just a motherboard - you need better cooler, better PSU... pointless waste of money really.

Why waste 100$ for nothing? Just put all your cash into memory and GPU, really dude.


They already have an aftermarket cooler. I do agree a better PSU would probably be necessary though.
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