Low FPS BF4 GTX 760 Questions

TheLiquor187 · Jan 15, 2014

After reading other posts, I'm almost certain I'm due for a new mobo and cpu. However I'd like to double check. I've tried many settings on BF4 and in the GeForce experience to get consistant good FPS, and without vertical sync ON, I get 60's and 70's with frequent drops to 20's and 30's on low settings. I'm also looking into my network latency to see if that is the issue.
Here is the build, let me know if you see something obviously wrong or insufficient.

Asus F2 A85-M Pro
AMD A8-5600K 4.3GHz (Socket FM2)
GTX 760 2GB
16GB Ram
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
WD 250GB
WD Black 1TB
Barracuda 500GB
CD/DVD drive
3 case fans
Thermaltake TR2 600W

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

Network has nothing to do with FPS, but your CPU is way underpowered for BF4. BF4 is very CPU intensive. I'd upgrade to at least a FX6300, could get that and a quality motherboard for $200 or less, but the best value would be the FX8320 and a motherboard for about $250

Au_equus · Jan 15, 2014

you're probably right, that APU would bottleneck the 760, but I would also take a look at the PSU. The TR2 series cannot sustain their labeled wattage. Although, you might be safe for right now, if you go anywhere north of 400w (eg, adding another 760), you should replace it.

shadow32 · Jan 15, 2014

It is your CPU. Very weak for that card.
A 6300 would be a good CPU or a 8320. You don't need to spend that much on a mobo. Around $50 or so would be fine.

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

Au_equus :

The CPU actually wouldn't really be bottlenecking the GPU, BF4 is just heavy on the CPU. The FM2 CPU's, especially APUs, aren't really tailored for this kind of power.

athlondude · Jan 15, 2014

TheLiquor187 :

One thing I see right off the bat (although this may not be what is causing your issue) is your PSU is only 600 watts. I just used Asus very own power supply calculator and according to that you need at minimum a 700 Watt PSU. Now I would think that if it were a PSU issue that it would just shut off if it was running out of power, however it may be entirely possible that it the lack of power is causing your system to bog down. First thing I would do in your case is get a PSU that is more than the bare minimum so something that is more than 700 watts. Unlike some of the other folks here I doubt your CPU is the issue. I have zero issues running BF4 and mine stock speed on my CPU is 3.4 Ghz, and will max out at 3.8 Ghz in overdrive or what ever intel calls it.

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

athlondude :

Your logic is severely flawed. OP don't listen to this guy. The clock speed of a CPU is only a small part of performance. It is your CPU that is the problem.

About what this guy is saying about the power supply, your entire system is drawing probably around 300-350 watts under full 100% load. A 600w power supply is fine for what you're doing. I have a more power hungry CPU and GPU and have a 550w PSU, and draw at a MAX 360w. Your PSU is fine.

athlondude · Jan 15, 2014

HiTechObsessed :

Do the math, you'll see that he is 100 Watts shy of what he needs. Here is the Asus PSU calculator so you can see for yourself. As far as the rest, yes the CPU speed is a small part of performance, and I may very well be wrong about that, especially considering I stopped using AMD because it simply wasn't performing as well as intel based platforms. I am right about the power issue though.

http://support.asus.com/PowerSupply.aspx?SLanguage=en

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

athlondude :

HiTechObsessed :

Do the math, you'll see that he is 100 Watts shy of what he needs. Here is the Asus PSU calculator so you can see for yourself. As far as the rest, yes the CPU speed is a small part of performance, and I may very well be wrong about that, especially considering I stopped using AMD because it simply wasn't performing as well as intel based platforms. I am right about the power issue though.

http://support.asus.com/PowerSupply.aspx?SLanguage=en

That is a massive overcalculation. 700w would be enough to run 2 760's in SLI. You have had the wool pulled over your eyes by marketing. Newegg's is much closer, and they recommend a 460w PSU.

And you are wrong about the CPU. Your i5, although clocked lower and the same number of cores, is MUCH more powerful than the CPU in the A8-5600k.

I'm not trying to talk down or anything, but please don't go giving advice about stuff you are wrong about.

shadow32 · Jan 15, 2014

You are wrong. I am running a fx 8350 over clocked with a Gtx 760 over clocked. I have a 630w PSU. That is fine what he has.

athlondude · Jan 15, 2014

HiTechObsessed :

shadow32 :

Please don't give advice about stuff I am wrong about? Dude I already provided the proof to support the fact that the 600 Watt PSU isn't going to cut the mustard, where is the proof that says you are right? You act as though I know I am wrong and am purposely telling this guy the wrong answer, why would I do that? I ran into a similar situation with my Wife's PC a while back I had added a new video card and additional hardrive and low and behold her PC started shutting down in the middle of games. She had a 630 Watt PSU and I had to up it to a 730 Watt PSU to fix the issue. I have also worked on and built PCs since 1999 so its not like I am some kind of idiot off his rocker spouting nonsense just to mess with people. As far as the CPU goes, I never said I was right, in fact if you had read my response I even said I may be wrong about his CPU, I know my Intel would smoke most AMD chips out there, theres no denying that.

If you want to disagree with me that is fine, but a fact is a fact, and I did the math, in order for me to SLI two 760's in my rig it would take an 850 WATT PSU. If it gives you that much of a thrill to tell me I am wrong then be my guest, but the numbers don't lie, I have used that PSU calculator time and again and it has never lead me astray.

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

athlondude :

HiTechObsessed :

shadow32 :

Please don't give advice about stuff I am wrong about? Dude I already provided the proof to support the fact that the 600 Watt PSU isn't going to cut the mustard, where is the proof that says you are right? You act as though I know I am wrong and am purposely telling this guy the wrong answer, why would I do that? I ran into a similar situation with my Wife's PC a while back I had added a new video card and additional hardrive and low and behold her PC started shutting down in the middle of games. She had a 630 Watt PSU and I had to up it to a 730 Watt PSU to fix the issue. I have also worked on and built PCs since 1999 so its not like I am some kind of idiot off his rocker spouting nonsense just to mess with people. As far as the CPU goes, I never said I was right, in fact if you had read my response I even said I may be wrong about his CPU, I know my Intel would smoke most AMD chips out there, theres no denying that.

If you want to disagree with me that is fine, but a fact is a fact, and I did the math, in order for me to SLI two 760's in my rig it would take an 850 WATT PSU. If it gives you that much of a thrill to tell me I am wrong then be my guest, but the numbers don't lie, I have used that PSU calculator time and again and it has never lead me astray.

I don't care how long you've been building computers, or how long you've used that calculator, that much wattage is not necessary.

I have an i5-4670k overclocked and overvolted, an MSI Hawk overclocked and overvolted, 2 hard drives, an SSD, 8gb of ram, 7 fans total and 2 CD drives and under full load pull no more than 350 watts. I have a 550w power supply, and it works no problem.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWThqgFfI4

That will show you that your thinking of power supplies is WAY off.

athlondude · Jan 15, 2014

HiTechObsessed :

athlondude :

HiTechObsessed :

shadow32 :

Please don't give advice about stuff I am wrong about? Dude I already provided the proof to support the fact that the 600 Watt PSU isn't going to cut the mustard, where is the proof that says you are right? You act as though I know I am wrong and am purposely telling this guy the wrong answer, why would I do that? I ran into a similar situation with my Wife's PC a while back I had added a new video card and additional hardrive and low and behold her PC started shutting down in the middle of games. She had a 630 Watt PSU and I had to up it to a 730 Watt PSU to fix the issue. I have also worked on and built PCs since 1999 so its not like I am some kind of idiot off his rocker spouting nonsense just to mess with people. As far as the CPU goes, I never said I was right, in fact if you had read my response I even said I may be wrong about his CPU, I know my Intel would smoke most AMD chips out there, theres no denying that.

If you want to disagree with me that is fine, but a fact is a fact, and I did the math, in order for me to SLI two 760's in my rig it would take an 850 WATT PSU. If it gives you that much of a thrill to tell me I am wrong then be my guest, but the numbers don't lie, I have used that PSU calculator time and again and it has never lead me astray.

I don't care how long you've been building computers, or how long you've used that calculator, that much wattage is not necessary.

I have an i5-4670k overclocked and overvolted, an MSI Hawk overclocked and overvolted, 2 hard drives, an SSD, 8gb of ram, 7 fans total and 2 CD drives and under full load pull no more than 350 watts. I have a 550w power supply, and it works no problem.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWThqgFfI4

That will show you that your thinking of power supplies is WAY off.

Yeah I have seen that before, and I cant tell you how many people have watched that and other videos similar to that and ended up having to get a bigger power supply. Wether you care or not about how many years I have worked on and built PCs is irelevent because in the end I have experience backing up my knowledge. According to that video You shouldn't need anything bigger than a 400 watt PSU to run a GTX 680, yet the GTX 680 requires a system with a 550 watt PSU, if this guy is right why does the 680 require more? Sorry not buying it. I will take my experience any day over something someone said in a video. That being said I'm done arguing with you. I've said what I said and I stand by what I believe.

Au_equus · Jan 15, 2014

@HTO
Thanks for the correction. I'll keep that in mind.

@athlondude
Those calculators are notoriously overkill. eg, I just ran my system and it says my required wattage is 1200W, all the while its running on 1kW, but it would have no problem on my old AX860 psu.

The OP's system could run using a quality 450W psu, but the TR2 only outputs ~80-90% of their labeled wattage so already he's running a 480-540W PSU, which is ok just as long as another gpu isn't added.

Personally, I'd trust these guys:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_760_review,5.html

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

athlondude :

HiTechObsessed :

athlondude :

I don't care how long you've been building computers, or how long you've used that calculator, that much wattage is not necessary.

I have an i5-4670k overclocked and overvolted, an MSI Hawk overclocked and overvolted, 2 hard drives, an SSD, 8gb of ram, 7 fans total and 2 CD drives and under full load pull no more than 350 watts. I have a 550w power supply, and it works no problem.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWThqgFfI4

That will show you that your thinking of power supplies is WAY off.

Yeah I have seen that before, and I cant tell you how many people have watched that and other videos similar to that and ended up having to get a bigger power supply. Wether you care or not about how many years I have worked on and built PCs is irelevent because in the end I have experience backing up my knowledge. According to that video You shouldn't need anything bigger than a 400 watt PSU to run a GTX 680, yet the GTX 680 requires a system with a 550 watt PSU, if this guy is right why does the 680 require more? Sorry not buying it. I will take my experience any day over something someone said in a video. That being said I'm done arguing with you. I've said what I said and I stand by what I believe.

Because of inefficiency in power conversion, a bigger PSU than shown is needed. A 450w would be minimum for that system to run.

And that's beside the point. You just said right here "yet the GTX 680 requires a system with a 550 watt PSU" that 550w is fine, but tell a guy with a less power-consuming system he needs a minimum of a 700w power supply.

Again, believe what you want, I just don't want you telling someone else their 300w system needs a minimum of a 700w power supply to run.

You do realize that the prebuilts you buy from Dell or HP usually have a 300w or so PSU in them right? This desktop has an i7 and GPU and has a 280w PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883255379

I'm sorry what you learned and think you've experienced is wrong, but it is.

athlondude · Jan 15, 2014

Au_equus :

HiTechObsessed :

athlondude :

HiTechObsessed :

Yeah I have seen that before, and I cant tell you how many people have watched that and other videos similar to that and ended up having to get a bigger power supply. Wether you care or not about how many years I have worked on and built PCs is irelevent because in the end I have experience backing up my knowledge. According to that video You shouldn't need anything bigger than a 400 watt PSU to run a GTX 680, yet the GTX 680 requires a system with a 550 watt PSU, if this guy is right why does the 680 require more? Sorry not buying it. I will take my experience any day over something someone said in a video. That being said I'm done arguing with you. I've said what I said and I stand by what I believe.

Because of inefficiency in power conversion, a bigger PSU than shown is needed. A 450w would be minimum for that system to run.

And that's beside the point. You just said right here "yet the GTX 680 requires a system with a 550 watt PSU" that 550w is fine, but tell a guy with a less power-consuming system he needs a minimum of a 700w power supply.

Again, believe what you want, I just don't want you telling someone else their 300w system needs a minimum of a 700w power supply to run.

You do realize that the prebuilts you buy from Dell or HP usually have a 300w or so PSU in them right? This desktop has an i7 and GPU and has a 280w PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883255379

I'm sorry what you learned and think you've experienced is wrong, but it is.

@HT LOL, No, not its not dude.

@ Au_equus Hey thanks for the level headed response dude

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

Then explain to me how I am wrong. I have shown you a LOT of evidence that you are wrong, but all you can show is an ASUS calculator that everyone agrees overstates what is needed.

All of my replies have been level headed, it is you who is just throwing the "but I know more than you" back at me.

Look at other posts on here about power supplies, everybody else who knows what they are talking about says essentially what I am saying.

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

Pretty sure I just realized why you think that big of a power supply is necessary. You need that big of a power supply because you're using Raidmax, which is a horrible brand of PSU. See this list of recommended PSUs by tier:

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

Yes, the Raidmax would need to be that big because it is made from poor parts. A Quality 500w PSU is more than enough for this build.

athlondude · Jan 15, 2014

HiTechObsessed :

All of your replies have been level headed? Who pray tell made the comment "Dont listen to this guy", and "Your logic is severely flaud"? You call that level headed? It seems to me you didn't like my advice on the matter and attacked me over it, that's level headed? Then you just straight up come off as some sort of authority on the matter by telling me not to give advice on things I am wrong about, that was pretty pomupus of you. You had already assumed I was wrong and not even thought for one second that I might have a point. Proof you say, my experience is my proof, it just so happens I have changed a lot of power supplies lately, mostly due to underpowered systems. My wifes PC, My buddies PC who runs two 690s, he had a 1200 watt antec that would shut off on him, funny how swapping out to a bigger PSU solved those problems. Want more proof? Yeah your right Dell and the like send along small 230-260 watt PSUs, wanna know how great they are? Not very, I use to work for a university in the IT department I can begin to count how many Dell 620s and 755s I set up and withing a week had to replace the PSU because they weren't cutting it. The students that needed the extra power for GFX applications and such, got a lot of downtime thanks to underpowered PSUs that would have their systems shutting off at random. That is experience, my experience, but no your right, even though I experienced these very real situations in a real world environment and changing the PSU fixed the problem, no your right!

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

athlondude :

HiTechObsessed :

All of your replies have been level headed? Who pray tell made the comment "Dont listen to this guy", and "Your logic is severely flaud"? You call that level headed? It seems to me you didn't like my advice on the matter and attacked me over it, that's level headed? Then you just straight up come off as some sort of authority on the matter by telling me not to give advice on things I am wrong about, that was pretty pomupus of you. You had already assumed I was wrong and not even thought for one second that I might have a point. Proof you say, my experience is my proof, it just so happens I have changed a lot of power supplies lately, mostly due to underpowered systems. My wifes PC, My buddies PC who runs two 690s, he had a 1200 watt antec that would shut off on him, funny how swapping out to a bigger PSU solved those problems. Want more proof? Yeah your right Dell and the like send along small 230-260 watt PSUs, wanna know how great they are? Not very, I use to work for a university in the IT department I can begin to count how many Dell 620s and 755s I set up and withing a week had to replace the PSU because they weren't cutting it. The students that needed the extra power for GFX applications and such, got a lot of downtime thanks to underpowered PSUs that would have their systems shutting off at random. That is experience, my experience, but no your right, even though I experienced these very real situations in a real world environment and changing the PSU fixed the problem, no your right!

Saying your logic is flawed is level headed. As long as you get a quality PSU, again Raidmax is a horrible brand, the PSU doesn't need to be nearly as big as what you are saying.

Your responses are the ones coming off as an annoyed teenager. Obviously this is getting nowhere, so this should just end.

athlondude · Jan 15, 2014

Lol you take a shot at me by telling me raidmax is a horrible brand of PSU and then you say my responses are that of an annoyed teenager? Grow up dude, go get some experience and then come talk to me.

HiTechObsessed · Jan 15, 2014

athlondude :

Go back and look at the brands of PSUs that are recommended, and you will find Raidmax is a brand to stay away from, that's just how it is. I'm sorry that offended you, but it's a fact.

athlondude · Jan 15, 2014

I wasn't offended I could care less what you think of them. I know a lot of people don't like them, but user reviews are favorable at new egg and this is my second raidmax PSU my first is 6 years old and still going strong in another system. See there my experience with them has not been the same as others. Doesn't make it wrong, just different.

shadow32 · Jan 15, 2014

I have to agree with HiTechObsessed, but keeping this to what I have, which happens to be the EXACT same card you want, but overclocked, running fine on a 630W PSU with multiple case fans, liquid cooling, several HDD's, CPU and GPU overclocked very far (My 760 is at 770 speeds).

TheLiquor187 · Jan 15, 2014

Alright boys.. Wow. I didn't read any of that past the first few. I've done the psu calculated. I know I have a lot going but I know what happens with an underpowered psu. (not to add to the flame) I was already damn sure it's a combination of settings and components. Thank you for the quick responses. I'm looking up some mobo/cpu combos now (I want to replace anyways and will post results) looking to spend ~$300. Any recommendations are welcome.

thanks again.

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