i5 3570k or i5 4670k performance/price ratio

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hi, I have few questions about the i5 3570k and the i5 4670k.
The i5 3570k is better for OC because the haswell models get too hot or am I wrong? I have read a bit about them and ppl are divided which is better and also if it is worth the extra money for the i5 3670k and a 1150 socket mainboard. How much would both cost with a good mainboard for OC which is not very expensive and is a arctic freezer 7 pro cooler good enough?
Or is it not even worth to get a K version CPU and OC mainboard for gaming?
I am using a r9 270x Sapphire toxic GPU, Intel G860 CPU with 4GB DDR 3 1333MHz.
 
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First of all the Haswell i5 is 4670K and not 3670K.
Ivybridge isn't good O/C either. Both generations suck against sandybridge which you could easily achieve 5Ghz on air.

1st. The point is that you have already an LGA1155 mobo, isn't that right? If it has a P67/Z68/Z77 you don't even need to change the motherboard. So 3570K is the best option. (you will not need a new mobo so it costs around $100 less than 4670K option)

2nd. If you don't plan to overclokc 3570K is the best option also. (Here is the same that you will not need a new mobo so it costs around $100 less than 4670K option)

3rd. But if you plan to overclock and change the motherboard, then 4670K with Z87 is the best way to go. (Since you would need a new mobo you...
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Since you already seem to have a 1155 motherboard, go with the 3570k. Other than that, i think Haswell is worth the slightly higher price (Intel cpu's devalue really slow) because it is just faster and has some new features like AVX2 which will be more important as time goes on.
 
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Hello.
First of all the Haswell i5 is 4670K and not 3670K.
Ivybridge isn't good O/C either. Both generations suck against sandybridge which you could easily achieve 5Ghz on air.

1st. The point is that you have already an LGA1155 mobo, isn't that right? If it has a P67/Z68/Z77 you don't even need to change the motherboard. So 3570K is the best option. (you will not need a new mobo so it costs around $100 less than 4670K option)

2nd. If you don't plan to overclokc 3570K is the best option also. (Here is the same that you will not need a new mobo so it costs around $100 less than 4670K option)

3rd. But if you plan to overclock and change the motherboard, then 4670K with Z87 is the best way to go. (Since you would need a new mobo you will pay anyway for a new mobo, getting 4670K for maybe a few bucks more is the best option)

4th. And best in my opinion. You don't need to overclock, get a 3350P and with the rest of the money (compared to a 3570K lets say) get an other 4GB RAM. :)

I hope you got your answer. :)
 
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I suppose that you actually mean 3570k (1155) or 4670k(1150) I will go for the second one but if you already own a 1155 mobo go for the first btw with an cm 212 evo you will do fine :D In both cases gigabyte ud4h or asrock extreme 6 will do fine .
 
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Well I have a 1155 mobo but it wont work for OC I guess http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?cat=Specifications&Model=H61M-HVS . Also you OC the CPU when you want to stretch the performance and want to wait 1-2 years more to buy a new one or? Because the i5 would run very good in games and it wont be necessary to OC when you buy it? Another option is possible if I guess, to get the 3570k and use it with the old mobo and the arctic freezer 7 pro cooler and when I see that I need to OC it I can buy a P67/Z68/Z77 mobo, also to add 4GB more RAM with the new CPU because it run even in single channel now 1x4GB and newer games like Watch Dogs wont run very good with only 4GB.
 
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In your case I would try to sell the 3570k and get new mobo cooler and cpu (that depends on you) or buy an z77 motherboard and go on with the 3570k and its still a very good cpu to play games and do oc .
 
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I have the Intel G860 CPU atm and I think to buy one of the two mentioned CPUs but I am still not sure also because of price/performance ratio.
 
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Take a good look at perf/dollar ratio: Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: December 2013

i5 3350P + 4GB 1333 RAM is far way better perf/$ upgrade than any upgrade. i5 3350P is just a 0.3Ghz lower 3570K with ~5% less performance for $50 less. Don't forget to update your bios to the last bios before you upgrade your CPU.

3350P+4GB= ~$200
3570K+mobo+4GB= ~$350

I think its obvious here...
 
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One more thing that I forgot to calculate that my mother will use the old system and I will switch some parts from mine to the old machine and will need to replace the mainboard anyway and I need some hints for the system configuration.

Currently my rig:
Intel G860, r9 270x Sapphire toxic, 1x4GB A-data 1333MHz, h61m mobo and lower quality 450w psu with 19amp on single 12v rail

old rig: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 EO Revision with arctic freezer 7 pro cooler, 4x1GB DDR2 800MHz kingston, HD 6570 and a medium quality psu with 450w and two 12v rails each 17a which should deliver 290watt combined http://www.ms-tech.de/de/datenblatt/MS-N450VAL.pdf psu

for the old rig: I can keep the old hdd, GPU, keep the case and dvd drive and put the lower quality psu and from my system I can get the CPU, RAM and the mobo.

for the new rig: I can keep the case, gpu, dvd driver, hdd and get the better psu and then I need to get new CPU,RAM and mobo.

I will sell the unneeded CPU E8500, 4x1GB DDR2 800MHz and the lga 775 mobo, if it can even be sold to get some money back.
Then I need to consider if I want to get :
a) i5 3350P + 2x4GB RAM, cheaper mobo or
b) i5 3570k +2x4GB RAM, a good mobo for OC but not that much expesive

The option with the i5 4670k seems to expensive for me.

Corsair Vengeance Blue 8 GB (2X4 GB) PC3-12800 1600mHz DDR3 240-Pin SDRAM is this good as RAM and what would be good as mobo for option b) and also a good cooler to calculate if it will be worth the money?
 
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a)This case is no longer the best option:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($72.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $327.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 13:04 EST-0500)

b) overclocking option:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($101.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $435.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 13:08 EST-0500)

ps: If you want you can use the Corsair RAMs which are excellent. I just choose a lower profile memory with the best price.
 
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How much would a solution with the i5 3570k cost? and what is the difference between the Crucial, G.Skill and Crosair RAMs? As far as it goes for RAM i know only the basics and dont know much about timings etc.
 
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Same RAM and Cooler:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $418.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 13:34 EST-0500)

So it doesn't worth for $16 not to take the superior Haswell CPU/Chipset.

As far for RAM.
Corsair and Gskill are in my opinion (and you can see that from sales too) providing the best memory modules.
In RAM you need to know a few things. Speed, Timing, Voltage.

So for Haswell/Sandybridge/Ivybridge is better to look for 1,5V modules as Intel suggests.
Second, is good to go for 1600Mhz and more.
And third about timing. The lower the timings are the faster is the RAM. But as you move up in speed you loose a bit on timings. The memory though with the faster speed (hz) will be faster overall if the timing difference is 1-2. So if you will go for 1600hz go for CL9 and lower. 1866 for CL10, 2133 for CL11 and lower ofc.
 
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Non-OC-4440:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€171.96 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€69.12 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€74.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €315.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 19:56 CET+0100)

OC 4670K:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (€206.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (€33.01 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€86.49 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€74.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €401.20
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 19:56 CET+0100)


compared to 3570K with similar motherboards: (MSI Z-chipsets G41)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (€209.22 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (€33.01 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-G41 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (€78.80 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€74.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €395.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-16 19:58 CET+0100)
 
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I prefer to buy technology from few online shops because on amazon.de they are selling the stuff more expensive. Which mobo is better for OC and quality? I found this one because the other ASUS mobo you mentioned is not avaible here: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Asus-Z87-K--C2--Intel-Z87-So-1150-Dual-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_919165.html or the one you found http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/MSI-Z87-G41-PC-Mate--Intel-Z87-Mainboard-Sockel-1150_948931.html (€ 81,84)?

8GB Corsair Vengeance Blue DDR3-1600 DIMM CL9 Dual Kit € 71,44*

CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo Tower Kühler € 27,42*

Asus Z87-K (C2) Intel Z87 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail € 94,94*

Intel Core i5 4670K 4x 3.40GHz So.1150 BOX € 196,75*
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Intel Core i5 4670K 4x 3.40GHz So.1150 WOF (more warrancy?) € 199,85*
 
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Usually the difference between two CPUs is Box and tray (without box just the CPU), which tray supposed to be cheaper...
Asus is better in my opinion. I just used the G41 for the sake of comparison.
As for memory check this 8GB Corsair Vengeance LP blau DDR3-1600 DIMM CL9 Dual Kit 69,73 since its low profile (it will give you far more clearance and will make you use all memory modules) and cheaper.
 
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Ok, thx, last two questions from me for now,
since I liked my older mobo from ASrock I was looking if there was maybe some ASrock mobo that is around the same quality and has good features http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157381
vs Asus Z87-K (C2) Intel Z87 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail
which would be better since both have other features and components when I try to compare them?

and do you think that the psu will handle the system? http://www.ms-tech.de/de/datenblatt/MS-N450VAL.pdf on the psu it is written that it will deliver around 290w from both rails which are 12v1 17a and 12v2 17a and 115w from the other rails, also it is a passive pfc with <75% eff or do I need more ampere on the 2x 12v rails or is this enough?
 
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Well since your PSU was able to deliver enough power till now, I don't think it will have a problem with just a similar tech with better efficiency CPU.

This is the power usage of the system Intel Core i7-4960X @ 4.2GHz:
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You should have no problem, since you didn't have problem with this GPU before... (CPUs should have similar power consumption (+- 25watts my estimate). But if you plan to o/c you probably will need a new PSU).

If you want a similar priced Asrock mobo go with Z87 pro4 or Extreme3 (ps: Extreme is better just for 5 euros).
 
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I consider the extreme3 mobo because its features and now I am reading some reviews about it to be sure. Well I had the weaker psu in use with the r9 270x toxic and the g860 which is written to be a 450watt psu but it has only 1x 12v rail with 19a (200w max output written from brand) and 105w for the other rails which cant be a 450w psu. The other psu is in this case and now I can switch both psus and I was monitoring if there were problems with the weak psu and used it only for 3 weeks because it should have run at its limit. This psu is also stated to be 450w but it has 2x 12v rails with 17a each and it is stated to deliver 290w from the brand and 115w from the other rails and it seems ok (more like 350-400w but should be fine and I will see if there will be any problems). I will OC later when I need to or just slight OC at the start at turbo speed or 4GHz, I would not go for more since it is not needed now and the psu is not perfect for it. I need to ask the support if there are protection options build in the psu and if a problem occurs I will change the psu too. When the GPU needs OC too then I will surely change the psu.
 
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Because I could not find reviews for the 450 Watt MS-Tech Value-Edition psu I just checked if if was sold by Mindfactory and I was lucky and there are 5 opinions at least: 2 ppl confirmed that this psu exploded and the whole system was destroyed (1/5 stars x3) and one totaly destroyed one on delivery, one report for too loud fan and the other user is hoping that it wont explore (4/5 stars x2). I am concerned because even medium quality psus should not even explode or? I think I should get a quality psu from a brand with good repuration, I dont want to risk the whole system and maybe I am lucky that it works at least, screw the pc shop that sold if to me as good quality psu but I was quite in fast need of a new psu because the old one died and the picture and some specs are different from the one I have build in...

460 units sold, 4% RMA

Can you give few exapmles of good PSUs with good quality and good price, dont have to be an extreme expensive psu but it should be good for OC of the CPU and GPU later when it is needed and I dont need to worry about explosions lol. Screw the pc shop that sold this psu to me as good replacement of the one that died and I want to buy a good one and to stick with it and not to change it often.
 
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550 Watt XFX Pro Core Edition Non-Modular 80+ Bronze € 49,43 from Mindfactory. One of the best (if not the best) PSU's under €50 and with 5 years warranty.
 
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I checked a review and it gets very noisy and the price went up today, are there some options around 60€? I am going to see some reviews of these but I dont know if they are good atm:
500 Watt Corsair CX Series Modular 80+ Bronze
500 Watt be quiet! System Power 7 Bulk Non-Modular 80+ Silver
500 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 Non-Modular 80+ Bronze
530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 80+ Bronze
500 Watt Corsair CX Series Non-Modular 80+ Bronze
520 Watt Seasonic S12II Bronze Non-Modular 80+ Bronze
630 Watt Thermaltake Smart Non-Modular 80+
650 Watt Inter-Tech Power Non-Modular 80+ Bronze

anything good here or other options? I saw 2 recommendation lists in the forum and only those are mentioned there:
530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 80+ Bronze
520 Watt Seasonic S12II Bronze Non-Modular 80+ Bronze
630 Watt Thermaltake Smart Non-Modular 80+

 
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First of all. I hate the extra buttons on the mouse :p (lost everything I wrote).

Well I don't know if XFX 550w is noisy, I know its a good and solid PSU. From the mindfactory it had 5 total stars out of 21 people with 81% 5star and 19% 4star. But since the price is up now...

Now generally I prefer Corsair, Seasonic, XFX for a lot of reasons, such as top performance, quality, warranty.
XFX has their PSU being manufactured by Seasonic.
Corsair has PSU from Seasonic, Flextronics, Channel Well Tech (best manufacturers in the world).
From the list you gave me I would prefer:
500 Watt Corsair CX Series Modular 80+ Bronze
500 Watt Corsair CX Series Non-Modular 80+ Bronze
520 Watt Seasonic S12II Bronze Non-Modular 80+ Bronze
You can't go wrong with anyone of these.
 
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