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January 17, 2014 12:24:26 PM

Hey guys,

I am going to upgrade the graphics card in a computer that will be running a very graphics intensive presentation program called ProPresenter. The program consists of allowing the user to layer types of media (high definition motion video background, text, foreground objects, 3D transitions, etc) and change and present them on the fly. There will be 3 "monitors" connected to the computer:

1. the primary control monitor; 1920x1080
2. the main output monitor; 1920x1080 (which will actually be split using an hdmi splitter to 4 different HD TVs and a second 1920x1080 computer monitor)
3. the stage display; 1920x1080

Now, to give you perspective, the Radeon HD 5770 currently installed cannot even play a single HD video without any other layered items in this program; it simply stutters and plays at about 1/4 of the normal playback rate.

So, my question is, which card will be most beneficial to this setup? a more powerful GPU itself with less ram (GTX-770 2GB) or a slightly lesser GPU with more ram (GTX-760 4GB)?

Here are the specific cards I'm considering:
760 4GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

770 2GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks a lot!

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January 17, 2014 12:31:02 PM

770 all day. Some people will use battlefield as an example of why you should go with more vram but that games uses all of what is available regardless of what you have. The difference in clock speed will make more frames guarantee it, more actual gpu wins.
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January 17, 2014 12:33:19 PM

I use ProPresenter every week at church, and it is not very demanding by today's standards. In fact I find that it is much more demanding on the CPU than anything.

Any modern dedicated GPU with 1GB of vRAM and capability for 3 outputs should be plenty fast to support the software without issue.

On the rest of the system you will want at least 4GB of system ram and a desktop i3 2 core 4 thread processor (or mobile i5) to take the brunt of the CPU hit. Core2Duos seem not to be quite enough to run the software smoothly, especially with 1080p content running.
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January 17, 2014 12:34:15 PM

freshbakd said:
770 all day. Some people will use battlefield as an example of why you should go with more vram but that games uses all of what is available regardless of what you have. The difference in clock speed will make more frames guarantee it, more actual gpu wins.


Why on earth would you use Battlefield as a comparison of what would be good for a 2D presentation software? You are nuts!
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January 17, 2014 12:35:27 PM

While I am thinking about it:
Are you on PC or Mac, and what is the model or specs of the system you are running ProPresenter on?
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January 17, 2014 12:39:23 PM

Why on earth would you need even close to those resources if you arent going to be using that for other purposes if its really just for presentation get a 620 and be done with it.
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January 17, 2014 12:41:37 PM

CaedenV said:
While I am thinking about it:
Are you on PC or Mac, and what is the model or specs of the system you are running ProPresenter on?


PC, with an i7-930, 8GB of ram, 256 GB SSD with fresh install of windows 7 64 bit, and 1.5 TB 7200 rpm HDD. So I'm not sure why it has trouble playing videos. And I've tried many different videos, so it's not the file. I've also tried having the video on both the SSD and the HDD, with no difference in performance.

And as another note, the videos play fine in windows media player, and also play acceptably in MediaShout, if you're familiar with that program.
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January 17, 2014 12:46:25 PM

freshbakd said:
Why on earth would you need even close to those resources if you arent going to be using that for other purposes if its really just for presentation get a 620 and be done with it.


Because currently the 5770 isn't delivering remotely close to acceptable playback, and it's a much better card than the 620.. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-5770-Mac-vs-GeForce-G...
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January 17, 2014 12:52:57 PM

Yes, the GPU may need a little refresh, but honestly the 760 would be overkill. A 620 or 630 should be just fine for this type of application. At my church we run 2 1080p monitors (one on system, one for presentation) off of the onboard graphics of an i7 3770 without any issues at all. We did run into a few problems when we use to run on the mac mini though... that thing was gutless lol.

Any particular reason to run 3 1080p streams from the computer? We use to run seperate outputs for the stage display and the main output, but found that it was much simpler (especially on days I can't make it in) to just run a single output for the house and stage.
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January 17, 2014 12:59:29 PM

CaedenV said:
Yes, the GPU may need a little refresh, but honestly the 760 would be overkill. A 620 or 630 should be just fine for this type of application. At my church we run 2 1080p monitors (one on system, one for presentation) off of the onboard graphics of an i7 3770 without any issues at all. We did run into a few problems when we use to run on the mac mini though... that thing was gutless lol.

Any particular reason to run 3 1080p streams from the computer? We use to run seperate outputs for the stage display and the main output, but found that it was much simpler (especially on days I can't make it in) to just run a single output for the house and stage.


Yes, I'm sure it would be overkill haha, but that's kind of the reason. I want it to play all of our HD videos and stuff without thinking twice about it for many years to come. When I bought the computer 3 years ago, I thought the 5770 would be more than enough, but it hasn't turned out to be.

And the reason we do a separate stage stream is so that the text can be larger and clearer (white text on black background), in addition to having the current time in the corner, and so that it shows what's on the next slide so that the reader/singers know what's coming next.
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January 17, 2014 1:30:23 PM

That makes sense enough.

So I guess the next question is how long do you think it will be before you move to 4K? If we are going to go overkill for the sake of future-proofing this thing then lets at least make sure that it is really going to last you another 3-5 years before it all gets shafted again.
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January 17, 2014 1:43:11 PM

CaedenV said:
That makes sense enough.

So I guess the next question is how long do you think it will be before you move to 4K? If we are going to go overkill for the sake of future-proofing this thing then lets at least make sure that it is really going to last you another 3-5 years before it all gets shafted again.


Haha we won't be going to 4K until it is as cheap/feasible as HD currently is, and we see the need of course. Which will honestly probably not be for at LEAST 10 years (you know how churches are). And by that point we'll have a new computer anyway. So all this graphics card needs to do is run HD content for at least the life of the computer, which will be at least another 4 years I would say. Again, when we first got this computer with the 5770, it played HD video very well in Mediashout 4. But recently, HD video playback has struggled slightly with Mediashout. So, I've been messing with ProPresenter recently, (we're going to switch completely from Mediashout to ProPresenter very soon) and that's when I discovered it couldn't playback HD video even close to acceptably in ProPresenter. Thus, I am very willing to go overkill on the graphics card this round haha. And sorry for rambling a little there, kinda said the same thing over again.

What I have gotten from what you've said though, is that I think I will scale back some and just go for the 760 2GB, which will only be about $250.
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January 17, 2014 1:53:15 PM

ProPresenter is pretty awesome software, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I have!

However, hardware does not randomly get slower. If it use to do your workload just fine and has gotten worse then it may be time to make sure that nobody has been loading it down with malware and crap. Run CCleaner and the registry cleaner that comes with it. Do full scans with Malwarebytes and MSE. Check for installed toolbards, useless updaters, and other junk set to run in the background. You may just need to refresh the computer rather than investing in new hardware.


If you are going to need new hardware then something along the lines of a normal GTX660 should be plenty overkill for you. Even a 630 ought to do the trick.
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January 17, 2014 3:37:56 PM

CaedenV said:
However, hardware does not randomly get slower. If it use to do your workload just fine and has gotten worse then it may be time to make sure that nobody has been loading it down with malware and crap. Run CCleaner and the registry cleaner that comes with it. Do full scans with Malwarebytes and MSE. Check for installed toolbards, useless updaters, and other junk set to run in the background. You may just need to refresh the computer rather than investing in new hardware.


That's the weird part, there is literally zero crap of any kind on there; I am very conscientious of that. Nothing running in the background or anything. The computer itself runs fantastic in every other area that isn't graphically intensive. Programs launch in less than a second for the most part, and start up and shut down is very snappy. I think the biggest problem with the 5770 is the driver. From the beginning, I have read that for whatever reason the drivers for the 5770 on windows 7 64 bit specifically have been buggy for whatever reason. For instance, ever since we've had the computer, when playing an HD video in windows media player, a horizontal division between the top and bottom half of the video appears for a fraction of a second when the camera makes a sudden pan or zoom. It has definitely always been noticeable, but not enough to constitute getting a new card. So, I've never felt that things have been quite right with the graphics card, even after updating to the latest driver version released in December.

But anyway, I won't bore you with all the idiosyncrasies of the computer situation anymore, you've been a great help! Thanks!
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January 18, 2014 7:04:54 PM

AMD with driver problems? say it ain't so! lol
You could well be right on the money there, especially with propresenter still being relatively new on the PC side of things. I hope the GPU does the trick for you!

Oh... check the video compressions of the files you are using. Pastors and speakers that I work with tend to find the oddest ways to compress files that can be very CPU/GPU intensive. More than once I have had to recompress video during the worship service for things needing to be displayed later.
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January 18, 2014 9:10:20 PM

CaedenV said:
AMD with driver problems? say it ain't so! lol
You could well be right on the money there, especially with propresenter still being relatively new on the PC side of things. I hope the GPU does the trick for you!

Oh... check the video compressions of the files you are using. Pastors and speakers that I work with tend to find the oddest ways to compress files that can be very CPU/GPU intensive. More than once I have had to recompress video during the worship service for things needing to be displayed later.


So, I just got the whole situation figured out, and it doesn't make much sense to me, but here it is:

I went to my neighborhood Best Buy to pick up a 760 and try it out just so I could easily return it if I decided not to keep it (and because I'm going back to college tomorrow, so if I had ordered it, it wouldn't have come in in time for me to install it). In preparing to install the new card, I uninstalled the driver for the old card. I'm not sure why, but for some reason I decided to open up ProPresenter and try the video without the AMD driver installed and what do you know… the HD videos played PERFECTLY, I mean without a hiccup or hesitation, just like I would've expected it to in the first place. So apparently the 5770 works much better without the AMD driver installed on my particular windows 7 64 bit machine. I assume it's just using a windows 7 preloaded driver. Who knows. Maybe this isn't an unusual occurrence, but I've not heard of it before and it certainly seems backwards to me.

But oh well, I get to return the 760 and save a good bit of cash! Thanks again for all the input!
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January 19, 2014 11:14:38 AM

lol, glad it all worked out
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