New gaming rig, can't decide on a setup (Gaming/Rendering/Programming)

estilen · Jan 18, 2014

Hello everyone!
After a long time on a laptop, I decided to build myself a PC. For the past few weeks I did an extensive research into computer parts and picked a few of them. Although, I can't quite decide on a final setup, as I find out advantages/disadvantages of certain parts. I also asked some people what they think of my setup, sometimes I was given a *better* setup. I'm probably not going to overclock and also I have a question about overclocking and few other things. But first of all, I will link you to my setup
1) http://i.imgur.com/MmjYiDj.png
2) This is the setup that is supposed to be way better than mine. http://i.imgur.com/5wesbTf.png
3) What do you think of these and which would be better?
4) Will dual screen affect the overall performance? I'm not going to play games on the second monitor.
5) How does overclocking affect performance in gaming?

I expect high/ultra quality in gaming, ~60+ frames. I'm also going to stream a lot and most likely render videos for YouTube. I plan on expanding to 16GB RAM in the future. My budget is around 800-900 EURO (the less the better, I already stretched my budget a lot, I was even thinking about skipping the GPU and getting it after a while).

Website used for parts: http://www.hardwareversand.de/home.jsp
If you know a better one, feel more than welcome to tell me about it (as long as it's Europe).

lmaonade200 · Jan 18, 2014

the 2nd one is overall better, that particular Xeon processor is basically an i7 without the integrated GPU (which you won't need), so it'll be a step above the i5 4670 with its hyperthreading feature.

however, my suggestions would be to downgrade the PSU to a 550W, you won't need more than that for a single GPU and 650W can't accommodate a dual GPU set up, and downgrade whatever extra parts necessary to get a 2nd HDD, the reason being that I assume you're going to be recording gameplay and rendering that footage for uploading, and the single biggest bottleneck to recording is the hard drive, don't record video onto the same hard drive you are playing the game from, you'll have a bad time.

dual screen will not affect your performance very much but only if you're not doing anything 3D intensive on the 2nd screen (actually what would be a good idea if you're going dual screen is to get the i5 4670 instead of the Xeon, then set your 2nd screen to run from the integrated GPU, so you can have it run websites and youtube without affecting your 1st screen's gaming performance, in this case your first build would more suited to it)

overclocking is going to get you better performance, but not as much as you'd like, an average overclock of the CPU and GPU will get you maybe 15% more performance, or about 6 ish FPS on average, not really that much in terms of real gains. Plus neither of the builds have an overclock-able CPU, Xeons cannot be overclocked (as they are "server" CPUs) and your i5 4670 is not a "k" variant.

If you go with your first build, downgrade mobo to H87 or B85, you don't need a Z when you can't overclock

ddpruitt · Jan 18, 2014

2nd one is better overall. Drop the Xeon and get a regular i7, unless you're running a workstation there's no point to running a server CPU. You're going to need more storage space. Depending on what you mean by rendering and programming you may also need to bump up the RAM. If you want consistent 60+ FPS at high settings you're going to want a better graphics card as well.

estilen · Jan 18, 2014

ddpruitt :

I have a 1Tb Seagate 7200 spinner, my friend hooked me up with one as he upgraded his storage, I will just get another one. As I said, I will be expanding RAM to 16Gb over time. Should I go for GTX 780 then?

estilen · Jan 18, 2014

lmaonade200 :

the 2nd one is overall better, that particular Xeon processor is basically an i7 without the integrated GPU (which you won't need), so it'll be a step above the i5 4670 with its hyperthreading feature.

however, my suggestions would be to downgrade the PSU to a 550W, you won't need more than that for a single GPU and 650W can't accommodate a dual GPU set up, and downgrade whatever extra parts necessary to get a 2nd HDD, the reason being that I assume you're going to be recording gameplay and rendering that footage for uploading, and the single biggest bottleneck to recording is the hard drive, don't record video onto the same hard drive you are playing the game from, you'll have a bad time.

dual screen will not affect your performance very much but only if you're not doing anything 3D intensive on the 2nd screen (actually what would be a good idea if you're going dual screen is to get the i5 4670 instead of the Xeon, then set your 2nd screen to run from the integrated GPU, so you can have it run websites and youtube without affecting your 1st screen's gaming performance, in this case your first build would more suited to it)

overclocking is going to get you better performance, but not as much as you'd like, an average overclock of the CPU and GPU will get you maybe 15% more performance, or about 6 ish FPS on average, not really that much in terms of real gains. Plus neither of the builds have an overclock-able CPU, Xeons cannot be overclocked (as they are "server" CPUs) and your i5 4670 is not a "k" variant.

If you go with your first build, downgrade mobo to H87 or B85, you don't need a Z when you can't overclock

Will MSI H87-G43 be a good motherboard?

lmaonade200 · Jan 18, 2014

no, do not, especially if you don't have the funds for it, the power difference between a 770 and a 780 is huge sure, but with that performance increase comes a huge price increase too

what kind of games require higher than a 770 to run on high settings? Even Crysis 3 can run 60 FPS average on a 770

and yes an MSI H87 is good, they make decent motherboards with decent features and software support

estilen · Jan 18, 2014

http://i.imgur.com/QeeKR1W.png
I think I might go for this and I will just get the gpu later ^_^

Btw, will Corsair Vengeance Pro (http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsps?aid=82132&agid=1193)
cause any problems (size) if I decide to get an aftermarket cooler?
I can always choose Corsair Vengeance Low Profile (http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsps?aid=48851&agid=1193)

And how well does watercooling perform? Is it better to go for pre-filled systems or to build one?

lmaonade200 · Jan 18, 2014

the vengeance pro should be fine, there's a good amount of space between the rams slots and the CPU socket.

watercooling performs well but won't as good as you'd hope it to be, watercooling provides great advantages for overclocked CPUs, but for stock chips it won't do much, a nice and inexpensive air cooler will be good enough if you don't trust the stock cooler

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