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January 19, 2014 10:08:15 AM

Something important: I'm Canadian and newegg won't let me buy from their regular website so I need to go through newegg.ca. The reason I specified newegg is that most part for a suggestion I like (Sylvanriv entry in Gaming--only--system ; 400$, maximum 500$, no HDD, no monitor, no peripheral - Gaming - Systems) comes from newegg ; plus I already bought a laptop from them which I'm satisfied of.

I need a gaming PC which I can put pieces together. The price should be around 400$, 450$ if a good performance boost, 500$ maximum. I have 2 nice VGAs, so I'd need the video card to support 2 VGAs in extended mode. I already have a SATA HDD ; finding a case and optical drive won't be a problem. I have an USB3 external Bluray Disk burner/writer and I'm sure I can find a used case dirt-cheap ; I wouldn't pay an extra 10$ for USB3 but if possible the motherboard support USB3.

I'm not knowledgeable in system building. I did a bit reading and those are the things I've taken from that although I know little. All the following (of the paragraph) is in consideration of GPU-leaning gaming. It's better to put money in GPU than CPU. For CPU, it's better to have fewer cores at higher speed. A barely-adequate quality CPU was sufficient (for Intel, use B85 chipset ; for AMD Athlon X4, use A88X chipset, and for AMD FX-43xx use AMD 970 chipset). For RAM, it was highly recommended to use 2 x ½ total size than 1 x total. RAM speed 1600 was sufficient.

To summarize: I need support for 2 extended VGA for gaming. I don't need HDD, optical & case. All pieces should be from Canadian newegg site, unless a good saving is found elsewhere considering it need to be shipped to Canada. The price should be around 400$.

Thank you kindly for your help
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January 19, 2014 10:20:23 AM

OK, let me see if I understand correctly. You have $400 (Canadian dollars) and you need CPU/GPU/MB/RAM/PSU.

$125 FX-6300 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
$65 MSI 970A-G43 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
$46 4GB RAM http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
$40 CORSAIR CX series CX500 500W http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
$110 GIGABYTE GV-R777OC-1GD Rev2.0 Radeon HD 7770 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

With shipping and taxes it's closer to $500. I hope you can afford that.
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January 19, 2014 10:23:09 AM

A few more things you can do later, after you've saved more money:
- add another 4GB of RAM
- buy a decent cooler, e.g. Hyper 212 Evo, and learn to overclock

The motherboard I linked there does have USB 3.0.
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January 19, 2014 10:38:06 AM

Thanks again. I can afford it, the price was tax excluded. The CPU is pricier than GPU, can it be turned around? That seems pretty--weird--to me. Perhaps cutting on CPU and adding 4Gb RAM as you suggested would be better? I do have a powerful fan, which make as much noise as a hairdryer, that i haven't used in about 5 years.
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January 19, 2014 10:51:56 AM

OK, how about this:

MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard $70
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-130-6...

CORSAIR CX series CX500 + AMD A6-5400K Trinity 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 65W Dual-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU) - combo, $120
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

The same RAM as before, but twice. $46*2

GIGABYTE GV-N650OC-2GI GeForce GTX 650 2GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

This build will be better in some games than the one I posted earlier. However, in some games this build will do worse because the CPU is weaker.
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January 19, 2014 11:21:20 AM

That seem nice. :D  I see the CPU also include GPUing. Does it work like a laptop, if the integrated GPU part isn't used, it can be used for additional processing? How would the lesser processing impact my gaming in your opinion? I plan to play RPGs and adventure games (exploring & puzzles). I might pickup games like Warcraft III and an emulator for sixth-generation console for what seem to be GPU-leaning games, but those would be quite a smaller proportion than the former (sentence).

If you think your last suggestion would fit me, I might very well go ahead and order. However, it would be nice to confirm my 2 VGA will be able to be used in extended mode, that's--very--important to me ; they have for resolution: 1792 x 1344.
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January 19, 2014 11:34:13 AM

The integrated GPU is turned off if you have a dedicated GPU.

Most games are GPU-leaning, so yes I think the second build is better for you. You're not going to do programming or CAD work on this PC, are you?

That GTX 650 can power two monitors at the same time, up to 2560 x 1600 each. What kind of monitors do you have?
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January 19, 2014 11:42:22 AM

My monitors are both VGA with the same resolution: 1792 x 1344. The 1st is ViewSonic E90, the 2nd Lacie 19 Electron Blue III.

I have a laptop I'll try if anything seem slow on the system I'm planning to buy with this thread. And I don't mind changing CPU if my needs change, for now I'm really focused on gaming.

So the APU chipset for the GPU will do nothing in your setup? The lesser heat (from not running the GPU part) will not allow for higher processing than if both parts would be functioning? If my suspicion is correct and the only use for that GPU chipset is a backup, if the PCIe card is defective, I hope I wouldn't pay more than 10$ for that extra.
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January 19, 2014 11:51:56 AM

Maybe you should wait until you can afford the FX-6300 and the GTX 650 (or a R7 260x or a GTX 660). That would give you the best of both worlds - decent CPU and decent GPU.

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January 19, 2014 12:11:58 PM

No no! I'm really digging your last suggestion. I was just wondering how much extra did the backup GPU cost. Would you be so nice as to get to my monitor concern.
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January 19, 2014 12:29:02 PM

I can't tell how much of the cost of an APU is for the graphics part. The CPU and GPU parts are made at the same time, on the same wafer, by the same machine.

Your monitors have VGA (also called D-Sub) connectors.

Connect one of the monitors to the VGA output of the GTX 650 with a simple VGA cable.

For the other monitor, you will need a DVI to VGA adapter or a cable that has DVI at one end and VGA at the other, e.g.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

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January 19, 2014 12:55:40 PM

I was filling up my cart with your suggestion but I noticed the RAM Cas Latency is 11, shouldn't I use one with 9 instead? :??:  The memory in my previous threat 1st suggestion (link) seem nice, but perhaps fro some reason I don't get yours is better.
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January 19, 2014 1:05:12 PM

Hopefully this will be my last question. I was looking at G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL and G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL. Are those good picks? The second one is cheaper and I don'T know why, the only thing that seem different is the most expensive one, the 1st, has "-2N" at the end of the timing. Is that the difference? Should I pick the 1st one instead and why?

Update 1:

The 2nd one is in sale, so is actually more expensive (at regular price). Please let me know the difference between them and which is the better pick. An if I choose something else, neither of those 2 picks.
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January 19, 2014 1:15:51 PM

Get the cheaper one. The -2N means slightly slower timings, but it won't make any difference in fps. Most memory runs at 2N anyway. The more expensive one may very well default to 2N too.
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January 19, 2014 2:19:10 PM

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January 19, 2014 2:30:36 PM

Looks good...

I wish you'd mentioned the $480 SSD. A smaller SSD would have freed money for the CPU or GPU. Oh well, you'll be able to reuse it in the next computer.


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January 19, 2014 2:50:43 PM

I'd like to point out that there's usually lots of added information to emails, like signatures. The SSD is part of *Recommendations For You:*.
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January 19, 2014 3:02:31 PM

Oh, good , I missed that part :) 

All right, good luck with the build!
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