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January 20, 2014 6:56:12 AM

Hello,
I'm new to this community and I created this account just to ask you this. Why I keep getting low FPS and low GPU/CPU Usage
Some of the games are: Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3, Saints Row 4, Skyrim and others...
This is a PC I've built just for gaming
My specs are:
Athlon X4 750k 3.4Ghz
XFX HD 7850 Ultra OC Edition
PNY 8 GB RAM 1333Mhz
Asus F2A55M/CSM Motherboard
1000 GB HDD

Note: I have some failed Windows Updates which I don't know how to fix. Also BIOS and GPU Drivers are fully updated

Any help is highly appreciated
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January 20, 2014 7:00:52 AM

Hi, What are the WEI values for CPU, graphics and memory?
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January 20, 2014 7:10:26 AM

yian11 said:
Hello,
I'm new to this community and I created this account just to ask you this. Why I keep getting low FPS and low GPU/CPU Usage
Some of the games are: Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3, Saints Row 4, Skyrim and others...
This is a PC I've built just for gaming
My specs are:
Athlon X4 750k 3.4Ghz
XFX HD 7850 Ultra OC Edition
PNY 8 GB RAM 1333Mhz
Asus F2A55M/CSM Motherboard
1000 GB HDD

Note: I have some failed Windows Updates which I don't know how to fix. Also BIOS and GPU Drivers are fully updated

Any help is highly appreciated


alexoiu said:
Hi, What are the WEI values for CPU, graphics and memory?


Okay, well firstly, you need to give a little bit more explanation as to what the problem is. Low FPS etc, doesn't really help. can you be more clear about what the problem is, which game, what scenario, what res do you game at? Also your GPU looks like the 1gb variant, which means you could have issues above 1080p with all the bells and whistles on. You won't be getting anything like ultra in most of those games you mentioned, purely because they require more VRAM than you have on your GPU.

Your system is midrange. The 7850 is a decent GPU, and so is your CPU, but you won't be getting stellar performance.
What you think you should be getting, and what you are actually getting, FPS-wise can be miles apart.

I would expect for the like of BF3 you should be hitting about 50-60 fps on high settings, maybe up to 1080p. Does that sound about right for what your getting, or is it worse?
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January 20, 2014 7:13:56 AM

alexoiu said:
Hi, What are the WEI values for CPU, graphics and memory?


My Windows Experience Index Values are:
CPU: 7.2
RAM: 7.2
GPU: 7.9
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January 20, 2014 7:20:22 AM

keith12 said:
yian11 said:
Hello,
I'm new to this community and I created this account just to ask you this. Why I keep getting low FPS and low GPU/CPU Usage
Some of the games are: Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3, Saints Row 4, Skyrim and others...
This is a PC I've built just for gaming
My specs are:
Athlon X4 750k 3.4Ghz
XFX HD 7850 Ultra OC Edition
PNY 8 GB RAM 1333Mhz
Asus F2A55M/CSM Motherboard
1000 GB HDD

Note: I have some failed Windows Updates which I don't know how to fix. Also BIOS and GPU Drivers are fully updated

Any help is highly appreciated


alexoiu said:
Hi, What are the WEI values for CPU, graphics and memory?


Okay, well firstly, you need to give a little bit more explanation as to what the problem is. Low FPS etc, doesn't really help. can you be more clear about what the problem is, which game, what scenario, what res do you game at? Also your GPU looks like the 1gb variant, which means you could have issues above 1080p with all the bells and whistles on. You won't be getting anything like ultra in most of those games you mentioned, purely because they require more VRAM than you have on your GPU.

Your system is midrange. The 7850 is a decent GPU, and so is your CPU, but you won't be getting stellar performance.
What you think you should be getting, and what you are actually getting, FPS-wise can be miles apart.

I would expect for the like of BF3 you should be hitting about 50-60 fps on high settings, maybe up to 1080p. Does that sound about right for what your getting, or is it worse?


Okay. So In BF3 and ALL other games except the non-demanding ones I get Very bad fps. In the games I mentioned the FPS can go below 30, which is outstanding! Res in all games is 1920 x 1080. Also, something that's really important is that changing the game settings won't actually give any FPS improvement!! Maybe 5 FPS or so.
Next, GPU Usage in those games is never at 99%. It is around 60-90%. CPU Usage is around 90%. And yes, it's the 1 GB version of GPU.
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January 20, 2014 7:32:40 AM

yian11 said:
keith12 said:
yian11 said:
Hello,
I'm new to this community and I created this account just to ask you this. Why I keep getting low FPS and low GPU/CPU Usage
Some of the games are: Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3, Saints Row 4, Skyrim and others...
This is a PC I've built just for gaming
My specs are:
Athlon X4 750k 3.4Ghz
XFX HD 7850 Ultra OC Edition
PNY 8 GB RAM 1333Mhz
Asus F2A55M/CSM Motherboard
1000 GB HDD

Note: I have some failed Windows Updates which I don't know how to fix. Also BIOS and GPU Drivers are fully updated

Any help is highly appreciated


alexoiu said:
Hi, What are the WEI values for CPU, graphics and memory?


Okay, well firstly, you need to give a little bit more explanation as to what the problem is. Low FPS etc, doesn't really help. can you be more clear about what the problem is, which game, what scenario, what res do you game at? Also your GPU looks like the 1gb variant, which means you could have issues above 1080p with all the bells and whistles on. You won't be getting anything like ultra in most of those games you mentioned, purely because they require more VRAM than you have on your GPU.

Your system is midrange. The 7850 is a decent GPU, and so is your CPU, but you won't be getting stellar performance.
What you think you should be getting, and what you are actually getting, FPS-wise can be miles apart.

I would expect for the like of BF3 you should be hitting about 50-60 fps on high settings, maybe up to 1080p. Does that sound about right for what your getting, or is it worse?


Okay. So In BF3 and ALL other games except the non-demanding ones I get Very bad fps. In the games I mentioned the FPS can go below 30, which is outstanding! Res in all games is 1920 x 1080. Also, something that's really important is that changing the game settings won't actually give any FPS improvement!! Maybe 5 FPS or so.
Next, GPU Usage in those games is never at 99%. It is around 60-90%. CPU Usage is around 90%. And yes, it's the 1 GB version of GPU.


First things first. Forget about WEI. It's a useless tool. And will not help diagnosing this problem your having.

Based on your description your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU. Try OC your CPU a little it will help alleviate the bottleneck. Other than that there is not much else you can do, unless you can pop in a better CPU. I think that mobo can only take an A10 6800k, and I wouldn't be sure on how that compares to what you have already (not an AMD aficionado)

as for the 7850 1gb, at 1080p your gonna be pushing vram usage depending on what game your playing. I would suggest dropping a res to see if that helps.
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January 20, 2014 7:39:11 AM

keith12 said:
yian11 said:
keith12 said:
yian11 said:
Hello,
I'm new to this community and I created this account just to ask you this. Why I keep getting low FPS and low GPU/CPU Usage
Some of the games are: Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3, Saints Row 4, Skyrim and others...
This is a PC I've built just for gaming
My specs are:
Athlon X4 750k 3.4Ghz
XFX HD 7850 Ultra OC Edition
PNY 8 GB RAM 1333Mhz
Asus F2A55M/CSM Motherboard
1000 GB HDD

Note: I have some failed Windows Updates which I don't know how to fix. Also BIOS and GPU Drivers are fully updated

Any help is highly appreciated


alexoiu said:
Hi, What are the WEI values for CPU, graphics and memory?


Okay, well firstly, you need to give a little bit more explanation as to what the problem is. Low FPS etc, doesn't really help. can you be more clear about what the problem is, which game, what scenario, what res do you game at? Also your GPU looks like the 1gb variant, which means you could have issues above 1080p with all the bells and whistles on. You won't be getting anything like ultra in most of those games you mentioned, purely because they require more VRAM than you have on your GPU.

Your system is midrange. The 7850 is a decent GPU, and so is your CPU, but you won't be getting stellar performance.
What you think you should be getting, and what you are actually getting, FPS-wise can be miles apart.

I would expect for the like of BF3 you should be hitting about 50-60 fps on high settings, maybe up to 1080p. Does that sound about right for what your getting, or is it worse?


Okay. So In BF3 and ALL other games except the non-demanding ones I get Very bad fps. In the games I mentioned the FPS can go below 30, which is outstanding! Res in all games is 1920 x 1080. Also, something that's really important is that changing the game settings won't actually give any FPS improvement!! Maybe 5 FPS or so.
Next, GPU Usage in those games is never at 99%. It is around 60-90%. CPU Usage is around 90%. And yes, it's the 1 GB version of GPU.


First things first. Forget about WEI. It's a useless tool. And will not help diagnosing this problem your having.

Based on your description your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU. Try OC your CPU a little it will help alleviate the bottleneck. Other than that there is not much else you can do, unless you can pop in a better CPU. I think that mobo can only take an A10 6800k, and I wouldn't be sure on how that compares to what you have already (not an AMD aficionado)

as for the 7850 1gb, at 1080p your gonna be pushing vram usage depending on what game your playing. I would suggest dropping a res to see if that helps.


Well I dropped the res and it didn't help. Underclocked GPU - didn't help. Overclocked CPU using Turbo Core ( Auto-Overclocking AMD software) to 4.2 Ghz and still no difference :( 
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January 20, 2014 7:40:00 AM

The hardware looks OK. Is it a fresh Windows installation, or using an older HDD?
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January 20, 2014 9:05:15 AM

yian11 said:
keith12 said:
yian11 said:
keith12 said:
yian11 said:
Hello,
I'm new to this community and I created this account just to ask you this. Why I keep getting low FPS and low GPU/CPU Usage
Some of the games are: Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3, Saints Row 4, Skyrim and others...
This is a PC I've built just for gaming
My specs are:
Athlon X4 750k 3.4Ghz
XFX HD 7850 Ultra OC Edition
PNY 8 GB RAM 1333Mhz
Asus F2A55M/CSM Motherboard
1000 GB HDD

Note: I have some failed Windows Updates which I don't know how to fix. Also BIOS and GPU Drivers are fully updated

Any help is highly appreciated


alexoiu said:
Hi, What are the WEI values for CPU, graphics and memory?


Okay, well firstly, you need to give a little bit more explanation as to what the problem is. Low FPS etc, doesn't really help. can you be more clear about what the problem is, which game, what scenario, what res do you game at? Also your GPU looks like the 1gb variant, which means you could have issues above 1080p with all the bells and whistles on. You won't be getting anything like ultra in most of those games you mentioned, purely because they require more VRAM than you have on your GPU.

Your system is midrange. The 7850 is a decent GPU, and so is your CPU, but you won't be getting stellar performance.
What you think you should be getting, and what you are actually getting, FPS-wise can be miles apart.

I would expect for the like of BF3 you should be hitting about 50-60 fps on high settings, maybe up to 1080p. Does that sound about right for what your getting, or is it worse?


Okay. So In BF3 and ALL other games except the non-demanding ones I get Very bad fps. In the games I mentioned the FPS can go below 30, which is outstanding! Res in all games is 1920 x 1080. Also, something that's really important is that changing the game settings won't actually give any FPS improvement!! Maybe 5 FPS or so.
Next, GPU Usage in those games is never at 99%. It is around 60-90%. CPU Usage is around 90%. And yes, it's the 1 GB version of GPU.


First things first. Forget about WEI. It's a useless tool. And will not help diagnosing this problem your having.

Based on your description your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU. Try OC your CPU a little it will help alleviate the bottleneck. Other than that there is not much else you can do, unless you can pop in a better CPU. I think that mobo can only take an A10 6800k, and I wouldn't be sure on how that compares to what you have already (not an AMD aficionado)

as for the 7850 1gb, at 1080p your gonna be pushing vram usage depending on what game your playing. I would suggest dropping a res to see if that helps.


Well I dropped the res and it didn't help. Underclocked GPU - didn't help. Overclocked CPU using Turbo Core ( Auto-Overclocking AMD software) to 4.2 Ghz and still no difference :( 


okay, that's odd. doesn't stack up. are you using fraps to record while playing by any chance?
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January 20, 2014 9:25:22 AM

alexoiu said:
The hardware looks OK. Is it a fresh Windows installation, or using an older HDD?


Yes, it is a fresh Windows Installation on a new hard drive for a new PC... So you suggest doing a format? :/ 
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January 20, 2014 9:27:38 AM

keith12 said:
yian11 said:
keith12 said:
yian11 said:
keith12 said:
yian11 said:
Hello,
I'm new to this community and I created this account just to ask you this. Why I keep getting low FPS and low GPU/CPU Usage
Some of the games are: Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3, Saints Row 4, Skyrim and others...
This is a PC I've built just for gaming
My specs are:
Athlon X4 750k 3.4Ghz
XFX HD 7850 Ultra OC Edition
PNY 8 GB RAM 1333Mhz
Asus F2A55M/CSM Motherboard
1000 GB HDD

Note: I have some failed Windows Updates which I don't know how to fix. Also BIOS and GPU Drivers are fully updated

Any help is highly appreciated


alexoiu said:
Hi, What are the WEI values for CPU, graphics and memory?


Okay, well firstly, you need to give a little bit more explanation as to what the problem is. Low FPS etc, doesn't really help. can you be more clear about what the problem is, which game, what scenario, what res do you game at? Also your GPU looks like the 1gb variant, which means you could have issues above 1080p with all the bells and whistles on. You won't be getting anything like ultra in most of those games you mentioned, purely because they require more VRAM than you have on your GPU.

Your system is midrange. The 7850 is a decent GPU, and so is your CPU, but you won't be getting stellar performance.
What you think you should be getting, and what you are actually getting, FPS-wise can be miles apart.

I would expect for the like of BF3 you should be hitting about 50-60 fps on high settings, maybe up to 1080p. Does that sound about right for what your getting, or is it worse?


Okay. So In BF3 and ALL other games except the non-demanding ones I get Very bad fps. In the games I mentioned the FPS can go below 30, which is outstanding! Res in all games is 1920 x 1080. Also, something that's really important is that changing the game settings won't actually give any FPS improvement!! Maybe 5 FPS or so.
Next, GPU Usage in those games is never at 99%. It is around 60-90%. CPU Usage is around 90%. And yes, it's the 1 GB version of GPU.


First things first. Forget about WEI. It's a useless tool. And will not help diagnosing this problem your having.

Based on your description your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU. Try OC your CPU a little it will help alleviate the bottleneck. Other than that there is not much else you can do, unless you can pop in a better CPU. I think that mobo can only take an A10 6800k, and I wouldn't be sure on how that compares to what you have already (not an AMD aficionado)

as for the 7850 1gb, at 1080p your gonna be pushing vram usage depending on what game your playing. I would suggest dropping a res to see if that helps.


Well I dropped the res and it didn't help. Underclocked GPU - didn't help. Overclocked CPU using Turbo Core ( Auto-Overclocking AMD software) to 4.2 Ghz and still no difference :( 


okay, that's odd. doesn't stack up. are you using fraps to record while playing by any chance?


I told you, something is wrong with my PC and I don't know what. As I said some windows updates are failed and CPU Usage in games doesn't go to 99%. And no, I'm not using any software to record gameplay :/ 
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January 20, 2014 10:05:56 AM

I suggest reinstalling, but this time don't run the updates, but only the necessary drivers (for graphics install the one on the card's DVD), a game and test.
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January 20, 2014 10:16:55 AM

alexoiu said:
I suggest reinstalling, but this time don't run the updates, but only the necessary drivers (for graphics install the one on the card's DVD), a game and test.


So you say installing CD's drivers is better, right?
I will try doing this in a few days and I will report for results :) 
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January 20, 2014 10:22:00 AM

OK.
Yes, newer drivers might not help in improving the performance but at contrary.
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January 20, 2014 10:39:19 AM

alexoiu said:
OK.
Yes, newer drivers might not help in improving the performance but at contrary.


I was thinking about this: What if the previous drivers' effects didn't apply in new ones? Could this be true or not?
I mean, in drivers, there are some fixes for games but maybe the new drivers didn't apply the fixes of the previous ones?
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January 21, 2014 6:15:23 AM

yian11 said:
alexoiu said:
OK.
Yes, newer drivers might not help in improving the performance but at contrary.


I was thinking about this: What if the previous drivers' effects didn't apply in new ones? Could this be true or not?
I mean, in drivers, there are some fixes for games but maybe the new drivers didn't apply the fixes of the previous ones?


yes, this is possible. Lets say you just did a straight install of a GPU driver without un-installing the previous one, you can have conflicts with profiles and settings that may not switch back to default after install. Go to your control panel, and remove the GPU drivers from there. When installing the new driver (most up to date from the website) do a clean install. This is possible with NVidia drivers, there's an option for clean install, which removes all previous profiles.
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January 23, 2014 8:36:20 AM

yian11 said:
Also I must admit, I know what I'm saying. BF3 should be playable on ultra settings with 50 FPS minimum and 80 as average or even more
Take a look at my video and see how laggy it is, and compare it with an other one...

My video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pQKsA-QgsI&list=UUQIrUN...

Other user's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VSb9HbYHIs

Also their video was recorded even on higher settings -_- and still better frames


Listen mate, seeing as you 'know what your saying'.....If you feel BF3 is playable on a 1gb card a 1080 p on Ultra (Despite it being a 7850) then good for you. It's not gonna happen as you say- IMHO

Download MSI afterburner, run it while your playing. Alt-tab out of it, and look up the Vram usage. I bet its maxed out. As for why the other 'video' looks better, well I choose not to believe a video, which can be doctored or made to look better than it is. I trust a good old fashioned hardware site read, so I know there has been some testing and theres a methodology to it. Good luck with resolving your problem.
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January 24, 2014 12:35:04 PM

keith12 said:
yian11 said:
Also I must admit, I know what I'm saying. BF3 should be playable on ultra settings with 50 FPS minimum and 80 as average or even more
Take a look at my video and see how laggy it is, and compare it with an other one...

My video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pQKsA-QgsI&list=UUQIrUN...

Other user's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VSb9HbYHIs

Also their video was recorded even on higher settings -_- and still better frames


Listen mate, seeing as you 'know what your saying'.....If you feel BF3 is playable on a 1gb card a 1080 p on Ultra (Despite it being a 7850) then good for you. It's not gonna happen as you say- IMHO

Download MSI afterburner, run it while your playing. Alt-tab out of it, and look up the Vram usage. I bet its maxed out. As for why the other 'video' looks better, well I choose not to believe a video, which can be doctored or made to look better than it is. I trust a good old fashioned hardware site read, so I know there has been some testing and theres a methodology to it. Good luck with resolving your problem.


Nope, GPU memory is not maxed out... The maximum amount is 1024 MB and while playing it stays at 960-990 MB and never goes over 1000 MB...
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February 11, 2014 3:22:53 AM

yian11 said:
keith12 said:
yian11 said:
Also I must admit, I know what I'm saying. BF3 should be playable on ultra settings with 50 FPS minimum and 80 as average or even more
Take a look at my video and see how laggy it is, and compare it with an other one...

My video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pQKsA-QgsI&list=UUQIrUN...

Other user's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VSb9HbYHIs

Also their video was recorded even on higher settings -_- and still better frames


Listen mate, seeing as you 'know what your saying'.....If you feel BF3 is playable on a 1gb card a 1080 p on Ultra (Despite it being a 7850) then good for you. It's not gonna happen as you say- IMHO

Download MSI afterburner, run it while your playing. Alt-tab out of it, and look up the Vram usage. I bet its maxed out. As for why the other 'video' looks better, well I choose not to believe a video, which can be doctored or made to look better than it is. I trust a good old fashioned hardware site read, so I know there has been some testing and theres a methodology to it. Good luck with resolving your problem.


Nope, GPU memory is not maxed out... The maximum amount is 1024 MB and while playing it stays at 960-990 MB and never goes over 1000 MB...


That's the whole point I'm trying to make! Your GPU might only be using 960-990mbs whilst gaming, but what your forgetting is that the OS will use the remainder for desktop display/aero and other things, bringing you right up to 1024mb. It never goes over 1000mbs because it can't, the remainder mem is already in use.
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