What do you think of this Cpu? The Xeon e3 1230 v3?

kabz016

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I was surfing the net and looking for better a better build because I was asked to buy a good editing/gaming (well actually I do need a great editing machine this year for stuffs haha) instead of making a full pledge gaming beast (courtesy of my financer). But I still want a good processor that has a great price to performance ratio. My brother will add 50% max to my budget and so I stumbled to few articles regarding the "xeon e3 1230 v3" and instead of buying wanting an i7 4770k the budget xeon piqued my interest, it has a massively significant lower power consumption and thermal output, Hyperthreading for upcoming games right? and ultimately because on some reviews they say it performs almost the same as a 3570k oc'd to 4.5ghz or lower performance of just 5% in games and apps vs everything its got by just adding has only $30-10 more.

"other remaining cash will go mainly to gpu, ssd's, peripherals, etc..."

please enlighten me once again with your wisdom guys thanks in advance :jap:
 
The Xeon is a great alternative to the i7 4770k, with almost the same performance. It cannot be overclocked and does not have integrated graphics, which is the main reason it is cheaper. It runs .2ghz slower, which isn't too noticeable. If you're not overclocking the Xeon is the best choice, but because you cannot overclock the Xeon, the 4770k is your best choice in that budget if you want to OC. Sadly, if it were unlocked, the Xeon would be a better overclocker, but Intel hates you. So yeah, the Xeon is good.
 

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Xeon E-3's are server processors and are great number crunchers, which is great for things like doing statistical data, or Making a home server, or a WEB server, or even making your own supercomputer cluster is you have more than one. But in terms of gaming the i7 is the way to go. you might see a push in performance in video editing with the Xeon but the i7 in combination with a GPU is the best for gaming in terms of vs a Xeon E-3.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
 
hyperthreading will mostly be for your work related applications such as editing, encoding, and rendering, it virtually does nothing in gaming atm and some people run games better WITHOUT it. Contrary to many vocal opinions on this site, i5's will still be able to duke it out with the best of them in the foreseeable future, even if games make use of more parallel computing, it's not as if they'll be coded to not take advantage of single thread power when it is there.

I don't know where you read that the processor performs on par with an i5 3570k at 4.5Ghz, but that i5 would smack the hell out of this Xeon if it were overclocked that high, especially since you cannot overclock Xeon processors. Xeons (with hyperthreading) perform on par with their i7 counterparts, that's pretty much it, but they are of great value because they don't cost nearly as much, and support a few more set instructions I believe (not a concern of regular consumers), they are clocked a bit lower though, and have weaker turbo boost, that's about it

 

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Xeon E-3's are server processors and are great number crunchers, which is great for things like doing statistical data, or Making a home server, or a WEB server, or even making your own supercomputer cluster is you have more than one. But in terms of gaming the i7 is the way to go. you might see a push in performance in video editing with the Xeon but the i7 in combination with a GPU is the best for gaming in terms of vs a Xeon E-3.

The Xeon is the exact same chip as the 4770 just without the integrated graphics. The Xeon behaves the same way in games as a slightly downclocked 4770. I don't why people keep acting like it's something different that is only good for "server" purposes. It is GREAT in gaming.
 

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uhmmm but it is also "OK" to buy a Z series for the other specs of the mobo like for the killer network in MSI's boards (in exception for the boards oc' functions) right?
 

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And yes I don't really plan to overclock CPU if it can perform an excellent job already. since I want to save in power consumption as as well.

here's what my system should be before:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40-3.80GHz Haswell (Now Xeon 1230 v3)
Motherboard: MSI Z87MGaming (Should I change it to MSI H87 G43?)
RAM: Gskill RipjawsX 8GB Dual 1600/1866 CL9 (Change to 1866/1600?)
Storage: WDC Blue 1TB + WDC Black 2 TB + Samsung 840 evo 250gb
PowerSupply: Seasonic X 650W (Should I change it to Seasonic G 550 Gold?)
GPU: Sapphire Vapor X R9 280x
 

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I am not sure what you mean with "killer network in MSI boards", but I have a feeling that it is one of these useless features mainboard manufacturers add in a desperate attempt to distinguish themselves from the competition. It is true that the Z87 chipset pretty much offers the full range of features (except some enterprise-related features), but it is also true that Z87 mainboards usually consume more power and that Z87 hardly offers any features over the cheaper H87 or even B85 that anyone would ever make use of. With the exception of overclocking, which I would never consider doing, see the link I am giving below.

Most people that buy Z87 do so because:

  • ■ they want to overclock and are unaware of the numerous drawbacks overclocking Intel CPUs has (see link below). They are also uncomfortable with the idea of non-Z-overclocking although it works nicely (only disadvantage being that it may keep them from installing future BIOS updates)
    ■ they want a highly expensive mainboard because they consider it a status symbol and simply do not feel comfortable with anything cheaper in their case, even though the performance would be the same
    ■ they desire all the added functionality without being aware that they will never ever use it (who ever connects more than two USB 3.0 (!) devices simultaneously to his computer? Who connects more than four SATA 3.0 hard disks simultaneously? Who is actually using the RST feature to have the driver automatically use his SSD as a cache drive?

Of course there are also a few people here that are aware of all the overclocking drawbacks and still want to do it without BIOS update restrictions. I believe that this is a small minority though.


No, it has not. Xeon's 80W against 4770's 84W can hardly be considered "massively significant".

The question is why you compare a "budget" Xeon E3 1230 v3 against a 4770. You should compare the 4770K to a Xeon E3-1270. Identical clock speed, approximately identical price.

If you want to save money, you can find lower-clocked variants on both the i7 and the Xeon side. This is not something that should sway the decision between i7 and Xeon.


Both chips have HT, so this makes no difference here.


This is nonsense, and the link you provided is free of substantial information. They made a wanton subjective ranking of what they find better without giving substantial reasons, and already you are drawing the wrong conclusions. Shows that THG is no longer than what it was when chain-smoker Tom wrote the articles himself rather than have his lackeys do it for him.

The Xeon is in no way inferior to an equally-clocked i7 in gaming. That is just nonsense, seeing that Xeon and i7 have identical cores.


Off-topic since all the CPUs being discussed here include HT, so this is no the decision to be made. Besides, if you had cared to read the initial question, you would know that a high focus is on editing, where HT can be beneficial. Any games that perform worse through HT only minimally do so and are so old that they will still run flawlessly on any of the discussed CPUs.


Both statements are arguable. The first statement is arguable because of this, and the second statement is arguable because you can go for non-Z-overclocking.
 
I've been looking into this myself, but the E3 1230v2 model.

As other people have said, the Xeon can't be overclocked, whereas the 4770k can. Obviously, you also need a motherboard that supports overclocking, as well as extra or advanced cooling depending on how far you go. If overclocking isn't your thing, and won't be anytime soon, then I'd go for the Xeon.

As the Xeon is a server CPU, you need to make sure that your motherboard will support it. It isn't as simple as matching the socket type, you need to check exactly which CPUs are supported by the motherboard. A BIOS flash may also be required, so make sure you can do that as well. Finally, check that your RAM will be supported, as Xeons are designed to use ECC RAM. Have a look at the Intel ARK site for the exact specifications.

http://ark.intel.com/products/75054/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1230-v3-8M-Cache-3_30-GHz?q=1230%20v3

If you won't overclock and are comfortable with the requirements of a Xeon, that would be the one I'd go for.
 

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ECC memory being supported does not mean ECC memory being compulsory. These Xeons run nicely with regular memory. And while in theory you are right that the BIOS needs to support the Xeon, I found that even the cheapest B85 mainboards do, so no bottleneck there.
 


why are you picking fights where they don't exist? If you had read my reply you would see that I did answer his question, which was what I thought of the Xeon processor, the reason I had included that bit about the HT is that OP had stated that he was interested in HT for "upcoming games," and I'm just pointing out that HT will be less used for his games and more for his editing.
 

kabz016

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I didn't ask this question to spark an argument. I just wanted to learn more about this stuff. I'm gonna go with this Xeon 1230 v3. I like it's price and performance and I have been enlightened by all your answers hahaha :lol:

Thanks for your help guys! :jap: