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Hi everyone

This us my first post so please bear with me

I am hoping to resurrect the network in my house which was botched by an electrician.

A brief summary is that I have two rooms which adjoin each other each room has a network plug and a telephone line. I then have a third room which houses a patch panrl for the telephones and network.

All the seven feeds meet in a very small area the size of a blanksocket.

The electrician connected the two net work feeds from the two rooms directly together and by paased the feed fro. The patch pabel. And also connected tge two telephones up.

I want to connect thge network back up but am struggling to understand the cabelling.

This is as far as I have got all feeds are using same coloured cat 5e cable

I have worked out I have seven feeds coming in here we go

One feed eight cables brown green orange and blue solid are not connected at all

Three feeds the brown and green solid and striped are not connected but the orange and blue striped and solid are connected

Two feeds were all the cables are connected

Why I have seven feeds is because I have two feeds for each room telephone and network cable three feeds coming from patch panel I.e one telephone line and two feeds from hub

The way it is wired up is that the three telephone cables are connected to each other and the two network do feeds from each room are connected to create one cable

As there is such a small space I don't know what's connected to what which feed is for what room and whether I can the tree required joiners in such a small space I.e to for the network and one for the telephone (can u join two extensions to one feed) I thought u only needed two wires for telephone but it appears four are being used

Help please any one live in Leicestershire or know anyone who could help

Thanks
 
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wow, err right... first of not sure about the telephone I think you are right that for traditional telephone use it doesnt use all of the wires but it does for other things, the network cables will use all 8 wires (4 pairs), to communicate.

You can do different wiring schemes a but one wall jack to another should be straight through, i.e pin 1 at one end goes to pin 1 at the other.
https://discussions.apple.com/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/2-22850798-290920/ethernet.png

so all you are doing is matching like to like, you just need to figure out what cable goes where.

This would be the propper tool for the job,(its called a fluke by many people).
http://www.amazon.co.uk/VicTsing%C2%AE-Telephone-Tracker-Network-Ethernet/dp/B00C3CPPHG/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1390395773&sr=8-2-fkmr2&keywords=ethernet+cable+tester+and+wire+locator

you can plug it in a port at one end and it will sound a buzzer when you hold it near the wire at the other end so you can quickly locate what cable runs where, It will also tell you if there are any wiring faults once they are wired together.

Next best thing would be plugging a device in then test the wires with a multimeter for voltage coming through.

If you dont want to spend the cash its either trial and error, or use some scrap electronics like a battery, half an old ethernet cable and a speaker, to send a small electrical current down a pair of wires and detect it at the other end but thats a lot of hastle and black magic for the sake of £15 :). If you do that make sure you unplug all your kit or risk frying a network card.
 
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=cable+tracker

A cheap device like this make it a lot simpler to find which cable goes where.

I would disconnect it all and start all over.

The really is not a real standard for telephone cables. The common pairs to use are the blue/blue-white and the green/green-white. The reason they use 2 pair rather than 1 pair is because historically you had telephone cable come with red,green,brown,yellow. This is 2 pair with red/green and brown/yellow. Even when people used analog lines it was not common to have 2 in your house but that is likely why they wired 2 pair.

If you are going to change things I would go with standard RJ45 jacks and wire them for data using one of the 2 color standards. What you can now do is plug a phone rj11 plug into the rj45 jack. They go in easy a little hard to take back out. The key here is the middle 4 pins match exactly so you can have 2 phone lines here if you like. For a single line you would use the blue/blue-white pair since it matches up to the middle ping of the rj11 plug. I would actually put jacks on both ends then you can use any cable for data or phone just by changing what is plugged into the jacks with no rewiring.
 
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mgfredy

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thanks so much for this help
Disconnecting it sounds drastic but i know its what I have to do the only thing I am scared of losing is the telephone.
If seperate I guess its a case of finding which ones are the network feeds - I can test these easily enough (i think) with one of these gadgets hope the instructions are good enough. Once I know what ones relate to the feeds in from the patch panel how to find out what ones to to the two rooms as they have rj45 plugs can i plug a net work cable into the the maching - I will find it hard to know which ones are telephone feed and which ones are the networks - would it be a good assumption to make that its the two feeds where four of the cables have been seperated and not being used see previous thread.
Provided all goes well do you know of any minature connection blocks to fit in a very small space? all these connections need to be joined in a space no bigger than a blank plug space

Cheers guys finally what tester would you guys recommend hoping its all cheaper than calling in an engineer I am awaiting a quote ?!?
 
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just to say i need to connect 4 cat 5 e cables 2 rooms and 2 from hub and a further two telephone cables to then connect to one in coming telephone cable. So connection blocks have to be very small as I can not make the whole bigger unless any one has any other ideas cheeers
 
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The problem is I do not have a face plate any other ideas for connecting the wires I really can not find any on the web. Cheers guys
 
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You could just put the ends on the cable can stuff them loose in the box. If the wires are cut really short then you have limited options. You would have to splice wire to the end to try to extend them but this might cause interference when used as a data cable.
 
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You have 2 steps. The first is to identify the wires and determine where they go and put a standard connection on them rather than twisting wires together. This is where you want to use the keystones. Now step2 will be for data jack you will likely need to run short patch cables from the keystones to a switch or a router. Jacks you want to continue to use analog phones on you can just patch together with short patch cables...in effect twisting them together.
 
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