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Best PC build for CS:GO and Dota 2 gaming while streaming it, but still future proof?

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January 23, 2014 8:45:26 PM

Hello smart PC-users!

First of all, I wanna say that this site really seems like a great forum, with lots of nice helpful people, since I´m personally a complete hardware/tech newbie.. That just loves to game and always have been.

However, even though Ive tried to read up on most articles regarding this topic, I´m still very confused on what´s best to get for my hard earned money (jobles atm, bills to pay), regarding my different present needs and future wishes.

FYI
I´m an oldschool CS 1.5 player, that really prefer gameplay oriented and competitive eSport titles over high end nice looking games, since I´m thinking of trying to turn pro after a dedicated year of gaming with a good enough computer that later on maybe can help me stream to gain viewers etc.

I´ve always played on lowest settings with a maximum resolution of 1024x768, but might consider higher for better widescreen ratio.
Anyway, I don´t wanna exclude the posibility when it comes to playing newer FPS games like Battlefield 4 and COD:Ghosts on higher reso and settings, i simply just value performance with higher and more steady frames per second overall way more than the pretty looks itself, and will need at least a steady 200 + in CSGO and 100 + in Dota 2 for my personal best satisfaction.

Dota 2/CSGO + Skype conversation + Webcam + Streaming of the game + Spotify/Music + facebook will need to work perfectly all together preferably. However, I probably wont be streaming anything the first 12 months or so. And i probably wont be streaming other games newer than csgo and dota 2 which is my main focus.


Budget:

Right now I´m willing to spend somwehere between 1300-1600 dollars on whatever gives most bang for the buck. I dont wanna cheap all out just to save a few bucks and then cry in the end, but i dont wanna overpay either for something that doesnt give the same back in return in the end anyway.

I have very little knowledge on whats overkill or to little, so this is what ive tried to build so far on a danish retailer site:


CPU: i74770k 3.8-4.0 Overclocked (by them, i have no clue on how to)
GPU: Asus GTX 760 Direct CUII 2GB OC (+G 500 w)
Corsair Vengeance 4x4 GB DDR3, 2133 mhz
Drive:SSD 840 Samsung Evo 250 GB (want it for its speed)
MOBO:MSI Z87-G43 Gaming
Soundcard: 7.1 Realtek@ALC1150 Definition Audio SBX Sound Blaster Pro Studio Surround
Case: Zalman Z11

Final Price: 1689 $

Possible Adjustments:

if i downgrade to the same overclocked i54670k i can cut off 155 $
if i downgrade to 8 gb of the same memory i can cut off 117 $
if i downgrade to gtx 660 TwinFrozr i save 98 $
if i upgrade to gtx 770 it will cost me approximately 100 $ on top

Ive been staying awake for several nights and days now, trying to become a bit smarter on something that seems too technical for me, and really wants a new PC soon, but then again, im almost considering to learn how to build one myself, but only if it could save me at least 20 % cost overall.. if not thats not really ideal for me, since i have no idea about where to start..

Sorry for the long text, I dont expect the same back as an answer, but if i just get a little bit closer to a new PC i will be forever grateful!

Best Regards,
Jean

a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2014 8:49:45 PM

Upgrade to a 770 downgrade to an i5 and 8gb of ram thats the sweet spot with those choices
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a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2014 8:50:29 PM

And there is no point in a sound card the onboard sound card is more than good enough
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a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2014 8:52:07 PM

If your only playing DOTA and CSGO, downgrade to the GTX 660 and you wont see any performance hit, they are not demanding games at all, but I do suggest you stay at the GTX 760 in case you want to play some other stuff down the line. If only gaming and not video editing, downgrade to the i5 and get only 8Gb. That's more than good enough to play Dota and Counterstrike.
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January 23, 2014 9:05:07 PM

thx for the fast replies to both of you guys!
however, will a downgrade to i5 cpu and 8 gb ram with gtx 760 also be sufficient for streaming the games live with rest of the multitasking actions like webcam and music + browsing on top of it later on down the road aswell?
i still need 150 + fps minimum. cant seem to figure out how much the hyper threading will add or not.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2014 9:08:45 PM

Hyperthreading will not help at all. A GTX 760 at the resolution you want will give you more than 150fps.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2014 9:11:22 PM

$1300 build? i suggest you a few changes:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.97 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($137.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.95 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.67 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($330.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z12 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($71.30 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1271.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-24 00:09 EST-0500)
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a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2014 9:15:32 PM

The most future proof and bang for the buck would be 4670k with an cooler master 212 evo so you can overclock, 8 gb 1600mhz or better ram, and the gtx 770. I say go for the 770 because it's a really solid card capable of bf 4 at decent settings. The other cards you will need to lower detail for bf 4, but any will play the other games decently.

Also not seeing a PSU in your build. I recommend a 650 watt seasonic or xfx.
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January 23, 2014 9:18:54 PM

ProWilma said:
Hyperthreading will not help at all. A GTX 760 at the resolution you want will give you more than 150fps.


well if the i5 can handle the live online streaming while playing, im that much closer to a final solution at least. thx :) 
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January 23, 2014 9:21:34 PM

filippi said:
$1300 build? i suggest you a few changes:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.97 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($137.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.95 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.67 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($330.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z12 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($71.30 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1271.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-24 00:09 EST-0500)


thats a huge saving o.O! but do u know of any retailers that sell those parts around the same price, just in europe? the united kingdom would be fine, cuz then i wont get taxes on it like if i order across the atlantic.

and is that with possibility to overclock or not, and does the ram decrease mean anything to worry about?
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a b 4 Gaming
January 23, 2014 11:35:01 PM

No the ram decrease wont mean anything for gaming 8gb is perfect 16gb is completely overkill and useless. With a 4670k and that after market cooler you could overclock
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January 23, 2014 11:42:58 PM

It's 905 pounds in the UK just switch pcpartpicker.com in top right to UK and it'll give you UK retailers as well.
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2014 3:11:34 AM

I think that $1500 USD = 900 GBP, right?

So how about that build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£171.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.18 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£101.98 @ Dabs)
Memory: GeIL Enhance CORSA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£61.38 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£63.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (£242.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£69.38 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£71.93 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £902.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-24 11:11 GMT+0000)
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a b 4 Gaming
January 24, 2014 5:26:56 AM

filippi said:
I think that $1500 USD = 900 GBP, right?

So how about that build?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£171.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.18 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£101.98 @ Dabs)
Memory: GeIL Enhance CORSA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£61.38 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£63.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card (£242.90 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£69.38 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£71.93 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £902.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-24 11:11 GMT+0000)


This looks good.

But again, if you aren't willing to overclock, purchase the non "K" 4670, and skip the aftermarket heatsink.

I would highly recommend overclocking the above though - it will be much faster. If you follow guides and research enough to know what you are doing, it's quite safe nowadays. You can also ask the forums here for help.
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