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January 23, 2014 11:40:44 PM

So it has become obvious to me that if you want superb performance on 1440p with ultra settings in Battlefield 4, having either 2 regular gtx780 or gtx780 Ti is the way to go. This is a bit of disappointing to me as i already own a gtx780. So i suppose the easiest way to improve my gaming experience would be through adding a 2nd gtx780?

On the other hand, i could try to sell my gtx780 (any recommendations for where i can do that in europe? The card i own is only like 2 months old. ) and then get one single Gtx780 Ti for now and maybe add another one later?

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January 23, 2014 11:44:07 PM

Hey

2 GTX 780?
Oh cmon that will get everything on max at 1440p!
That's a bit of money waste, the performance difference will be in 10 fps - 15fps max... from the 80+fps that you will get from 2x 780 :) 
Instead get a new monitor for gaming ( 144HZ )! Wich will use the advantage of 80+ fps :) 
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January 24, 2014 12:08:47 AM

Just add another 780 and your set to get eye candy at 1440p.
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January 24, 2014 12:28:21 AM

RulesSpew said:
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2 GTX 780?
Oh cmon that will get everything on max at 1440p!
That's a bit of money waste, the performance difference will be in 10 fps - 15fps max... from the 80+fps that you will get from 2x 780 :) 
Instead get a new monitor for gaming ( 144HZ )! Wich will use the advantage of 80+ fps :) 


Thanks for your answers. :)  I was already prepared to get bashed for even asking this question, hehe.
The thing with the existing 144Hz monitors is what brought me to this conclusion in the first place. But i guess it wont matter much if i have 2 GTX780 TI or 2 GTX780, right? I mean, i would love it if i didnt actually have to sell the 2 month old card again...It's just that a single one of them just isn't strong enough for the task of BF4 in ultra at 1440p
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January 24, 2014 1:41:39 AM

Can't go wrong with a couple GTX 780 cards running SLI. Dollar for dollar, euro for euro, adding a second GTX 780 will net you the best performance for your money. The GTX 780TI isn't that much better than a GTX 780 anyway -- definitely not worth the hassle of selling the one you have.
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January 24, 2014 2:02:31 AM

Powerbolt said:
Can't go wrong with a couple GTX 780 cards running SLI. Dollar for dollar, euro for euro, adding a second GTX 780 will net you the best performance for your money. The GTX 780TI isn't that much better than a GTX 780 anyway -- definitely not worth the hassle of selling the one you have.


That's exactly what I was hoping to hear :-)
What kind of average FPS can one expect on 1440p and ultra settings with a pair of GTX780 compared to GTX780Ti anyway? Anyone have a rough estimation?
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January 24, 2014 2:20:55 AM

Derico said:
Powerbolt said:
Can't go wrong with a couple GTX 780 cards running SLI. Dollar for dollar, euro for euro, adding a second GTX 780 will net you the best performance for your money. The GTX 780TI isn't that much better than a GTX 780 anyway -- definitely not worth the hassle of selling the one you have.


That's exactly what I was hoping to hear :-)
What kind of average FPS can one expect on 1440p and ultra settings with a pair of GTX780 compared to GTX780Ti anyway? Anyone have a rough estimation?


Check out this website. It has a bunch of benchmarks for the GTX 780 SLI setup on multiple resolutions. It doesn't always have 1440p on there, but 1600p should give you a good enough idea of what to expect. Even so, the 1600p numbers will be a tad lower than you'll see on 1440p.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_7...

You can expect that a GTX 780 TI will probably benchmark around the same as a GTX Titan. According to that website's benchmarks, at 1600p, you're looking at about a ~40 FPS difference in favor of the 780's SLI between them and a Titan (essentially a 780TI).

Either way I guess it'll serve as comparable data for you to base your decision on. Whichever setup you choose to go with. :) 
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January 24, 2014 3:01:16 AM

So overall, i can expect like 80+ fps from a gtx780 sli
and probably something like 120 fp gtx780ti sli ?

(1440p Ultra Details BF4)
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January 24, 2014 6:59:40 AM

Also, just out of curiosity – are 3 GTX780 faster than 2 GTX780Ti ?
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January 24, 2014 7:50:34 AM

I just upgraded from a 780 to a 780 ti and there is a big difference @ 1440p in BF4 and almost all demanding games.

The 780 ti is also a better overclocker and more stable in general. I find the 780 is pretty good for 1080p.

I suggest you sell your card and upgrade to a 780 ti it might be cheaper than 780 sli.

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January 24, 2014 8:27:19 AM

mr91 said:
I just upgraded from a 780 to a 780 ti and there is a big difference @ 1440p in BF4 and almost all demanding games.

The 780 ti is also a better overclocker and more stable in general. I find the 780 is pretty good for 1080p.

I suggest you sell your card and upgrade to a 780 ti it might be cheaper than 780 sli.



What specific 780 Ti model can you recommend? What's the best? Gigabyte Superclocked?

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January 24, 2014 8:49:12 AM

I have a asus REFERENCE and i think it's great! I RECOMMEND the asus because their quality is more consistant.

However it also has to do with luck. For example getting a card with a high ASIC score.

EVGA would be my second choice. The fastest card is the Kingpin.
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January 24, 2014 9:02:30 AM

mr91 said:

EVGA would be my second choice. The fastest card is the Kingpin.


got a link for the kingpin?
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January 24, 2014 10:17:16 AM

mr91 said:
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=03G-P4-388...

The card is fast however also the most expensive.

My guess is that evga are reserving their best gpu's for this card however I can't guarantee it.



Ok... cant find it anywhere in my trusted shops. Seems to be a special edition for extreme overclocking. Extreme overclocking isn't really my thing when it comes to gpu's anyway. Maybe an out-of-box overclocked Ti ?
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January 24, 2014 11:28:38 AM

If you like the kingpin you will probably have to order it directly from EVGA and it's the highest overclocked out of the box 780 ti on the market.
It's designed for extreme overclockers and has a high price tag.

I recommend the Asus reference if you're planning to SLI in the future because it's a blower style design meaning it exhaust the hot air from the back of the case.

Some of the non reference cards recycle the hot air in the case so you would probably need a a good case and fan configuration.

If you decide to get a non reference I would go with the Asus Direct CU II, it's far from the fastest card on the market however quiet and refined.
Asus cards generally have less problems with coil wine and buzzing sounds, again the quality is more consistent.

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January 24, 2014 5:03:36 PM

Correction I think the Gigabyte ghz edition is the fastest out of the box however i would recommend that.

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January 25, 2014 12:08:01 AM

mr91 said:
Correction I think the Gigabyte ghz edition is the fastest out of the box however i would recommend that.



Correct me if im wrong, but a gigabyte ghz edtion card really just gets 7 more fps in comparison with a reference card, right? But i assume you cant recommend either the Gigabyte or Msi card for SLI, or ?

Would be nice, the msi seems to stay really cool and silent.
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January 25, 2014 3:57:44 AM

Give or take 7 fps depending on the game, however you can overclock most reference cards 10% or more that will reduce the performance gap.

If you have a case will good airflow and your room stays cool year round than you should be okay with non reference SLI.

MSI would be my third choice however there are many cases of coil whine and buzzing sounds With the gigabyte and MSi non reference cards.
In some cases the overclocks become unstable in time. The non reference cards are also big and bulky.

I find that the reference cards quiet, look good and if you want to keep them really cool you can increase the fan speed.
EVGA makes a reference Super clocked version.

Check out the Gigabyte review that will give you a better idea of the performance difference.

reviewhttp://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/gigabyt...
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January 25, 2014 5:46:32 AM

mr91 said:
Give or take 7 fps depending on the game, however you can overclock most reference cards 10% or more that will reduce the performance gap.

If you have a case will good airflow and your room stays cool year round than you should be okay with non reference SLI.

MSI would be my third choice however there are many cases of coil whine and buzzing sounds With the gigabyte and MSi non reference cards.
In some cases the overclocks become unstable in time. The non reference cards are also big and bulky.

I find that the reference cards quiet, look good and if you want to keep them really cool you can increase the fan speed.
EVGA makes a reference Super clocked version.

Check out the Gigabyte review that will give you a better idea of the performance difference.

reviewhttp://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/gigabyt...


So, to avoid overheating in SLI, people always choose the reference design?
In that case, if i wanted the best gtx 780 ti SLI experience, id be best of with a superclocked reference model?
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January 25, 2014 7:54:35 AM

People don't always chose the reference for SLI however it's quite popular option to avoid complications.

If you want the fastest reference experience out of the box than the 780 ti SC would be the best if both of your cards are good. " luck is a factor"

Below is an example of using two non reference cards in SLI properly.

Tiny Tom used a large case, with good fans, a large motherboard that allowed space between the two cards in SLI.
His room temperature is probably quite low when he is doing testing as well.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/gainwar...


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January 25, 2014 8:17:59 AM

mr91 said:
People don't always chose the reference for SLI however it's quite popular option to avoid complications.

If you want the fastest reference experience out of the box than the 780 ti SC would be the best if both of your cards are good. " luck is a factor"

Below is an example of using two non reference cards in SLI properly.

Tiny Tom used a large case, with good fans, a large motherboard that allowed space between the two cards in SLI.
His room temperature is probably quite low when he is doing testing as well.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/gainwar...




First of all, thank you for your replies so far. You've convinced me to look into buying a pair of GTX780 Ti SLI because i, too, like getting perfect hardware results and i am currently building a high-end computer.

I'm just really having trouble finding the perfect pair og Ti's. I'm assuming you'd be going for the regular reference models from Asus?

I've done a lot of research and it seems that this "Silicon Lottery" that most people refer to is mostly something coming from enthusiasts. Basically if you are getting a solid gpu, then you can overclock it a lot and yield 15-20 fps more in high-end games compared to a reference model running at stock speeds. Is that about right?

So since i am playing with the thought of having two gtx 780 ti in SLI, i guess my worries should be more dedicated to stability? I mean, who cares about give or take 10 fps when you got 2 TI's. They should be monstrous with or without further overclocking. The apartment i live in now will be hot in summer. That's certain.

My Case is a corsair graphite. I have the option of installing up to 4 120mm fans on the side-door-mesh. The case's ceiling will be blocked with the H100i. What can you recommend with these given factors?
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January 25, 2014 4:13:27 PM

You're welcome, I'm glad I could help - Getting 780 ti SLI will be a good choice if you wan't excellent performance for your high end gaming computer.

That's right I would go with the Asus Reference models for a single or SLI configuration.

15-20 fps increase in SLI give or take sounds right depending on the game. I will give you an example of the benefit that would effect people that don't plan on overclocking.

Prior to my upgrade to the Asus 780 ti I owned a EVGA gtx 780 when playing a game like Crysis 3 max settings with SMAA Anti aliasing my clock would be around 862 mhz after playing Crysis 3 for 5 minutes, I didn't get any boost clocks without adjusting settings on Precision X "BTW I suggest you use precision X or After burner for any card you get because Asus GPU tweak isn't very good in my opinion"

When I play Crysis 3 on my Asus gtx 780 ti I get an average of about 980 mhz that is 105 mhz boost without adjusting anything.

I agree with you stability and the absence of extreme coil whine and buzzing noises is more important than a slight performance increase out of the box especially when two 780 ti's are already extremely powerful and you can always overclock them if you decide to in the future.

I suggest you start by putting front intake fans blowing on the gpu's, another intake fan on the bottom and a rear exhaust fan.

I suggest you don't use the fans that came with your case and buy higher end fans separately.

Your case and cpu cooler are quite good, this combination should keep you 780 ti SLI cool and performing well. If you are not satisfied with the temperatures you can try to put more fans on the side door.






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January 25, 2014 11:45:14 PM

mr91 said:
You're welcome, I'm glad I could help - Getting 780 ti SLI will be a good choice if you wan't excellent performance for your high end gaming computer.

That's right I would go with the Asus Reference models for a single or SLI configuration.

15-20 fps increase in SLI give or take sounds right depending on the game. I will give you an example of the benefit that would effect people that don't plan on overclocking.

Prior to my upgrade to the Asus 780 ti I owned a EVGA gtx 780 when playing a game like Crysis 3 max settings with SMAA Anti aliasing my clock would be around 862 mhz after playing Crysis 3 for 5 minutes, I didn't get any boost clocks without adjusting settings on Precision X "BTW I suggest you use precision X or After burner for any card you get because Asus GPU tweak isn't very good in my opinion"

When I play Crysis 3 on my Asus gtx 780 ti I get an average of about 980 mhz that is 105 mhz boost without adjusting anything.

I agree with you stability and the absence of extreme coil whine and buzzing noises is more important than a slight performance increase out of the box especially when two 780 ti's are already extremely powerful and you can always overclock them if you decide to in the future.

I suggest you start by putting front intake fans blowing on the gpu's, another intake fan on the bottom and a rear exhaust fan.

I suggest you don't use the fans that came with your case and buy higher end fans separately.

Your case and cpu cooler are quite good, this combination should keep you 780 ti SLI cool and performing well. If you are not satisfied with the temperatures you can try to put more fans on the side door.








Thanks. I'm more and more checking out the prices of my trusted online vendors. Just a few thoughts im still having:

As for the fan situation, I have already replaced the 120mm rear fan. Can't really find a good one to replace the front 200mm with. The side door mesh is ideal for providing fresh air for both gpu's and the psu's, so i ll definately put 2 there. However, i didnt know i could place a bottom intake fan in my case?

In SLI, taking a reference model over bulky custom design that may be recycling hot air inside the case seems more and more like a wise choice. Is the noise level ok, though? I always thought the reference models were quite loud?

What's the deal with these superclocked/OC/Classified cards? I mean, sure i can oc my reference cards in future but i was always left under the impression that these oc-versions have better gpu's that are more capable... or is it really just a special version of a graphic card for people who are too lazy / scared to play around with the clocks themselves? Also, what are your thoughts on that ACX cooler that some evga cards come with?

And the final question, would you go for it if you had the money available? Or would you rather look into buying a "Black Titan" or 790? I've read that 2x 780Ti's are still better. The point is, playing around with the thought of getting 2 Ti's probably makes me look like a super-enthusiast but im also really concerned about future-proofing my rig. Correct me if im wrong, but apart from the cost, it seems like a lot of gpu-power for the time being?!

Sorry for the wall of text. I really appreciate your support!
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January 26, 2014 3:31:38 AM

mr91 said:
You're welcome, I'm glad I could help - Getting 780 ti SLI will be a good choice if you wan't excellent performance for your high end gaming computer.

That's right I would go with the Asus Reference models for a single or SLI configuration.

15-20 fps increase in SLI give or take sounds right depending on the game. I will give you an example of the benefit that would effect people that don't plan on overclocking.

Prior to my upgrade to the Asus 780 ti I owned a EVGA gtx 780 when playing a game like Crysis 3 max settings with SMAA Anti aliasing my clock would be around 862 mhz after playing Crysis 3 for 5 minutes, I didn't get any boost clocks without adjusting settings on Precision X "BTW I suggest you use precision X or After burner for any card you get because Asus GPU tweak isn't very good in my opinion"

When I play Crysis 3 on my Asus gtx 780 ti I get an average of about 980 mhz that is 105 mhz boost without adjusting anything.

I agree with you stability and the absence of extreme coil whine and buzzing noises is more important than a slight performance increase out of the box especially when two 780 ti's are already extremely powerful and you can always overclock them if you decide to in the future.

I suggest you start by putting front intake fans blowing on the gpu's, another intake fan on the bottom and a rear exhaust fan.

I suggest you don't use the fans that came with your case and buy higher end fans separately.

Your case and cpu cooler are quite good, this combination should keep you 780 ti SLI cool and performing well. If you are not satisfied with the temperatures you can try to put more fans on the side door.








Did some further research. Customer reviews from different sites state:
The EVGA reference superclocked + superclocked w/ ACX-cooler has coil whine
The MSI Gaming GTX780 Ti has coil whine.

I guess that narrows it down to a stock-speed ference model, doesnt it? Only thing im wondering is:
EVGA's superclocked model has coil whine with a reference cooler?!
Does your Asus GTX780 Ti have coil whine?
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January 26, 2014 6:28:37 AM

I think if you put a couple fan's on the side you should be fine because I don't think you can put a fan on the bottom unless you mod your case.
It's too bad that Noctua and Be quiet don't sell 200 mm fans, I don't know of any good 200 mm fans to replace your stock fan.

The reference gtx 780 ti is very quiet especially if you don't overclock however the gpu temperatures run a little bit hotter then the high end non reference coolers unless you manually increase the fan speed. The 780 ti features a new feature to make the fan less noticeably by gradually changing the fan speed. The fan housing is Magnesium alloy and apparently very high end Japanese thermal paste is used, this cooler is excellent and very expensive to implement.

I find that the my asus 780 ti is a little bit quieter than my evga 780 reference card, in the past the reference cards were quite loud however Nvidia changed the trend when they introduced the gtx 690 and gtx Titan.

I'm not a fan of the cheap plastic feel from the non reference models, the fans can potentially get warped due to the heat and make strange noises.

In the Past EVGA would try to allocate their higher quality GPU's with higher ASIC's to their higher end models such as SC or Classified however sometimes people are lucky and get a better gpu with a Superclocked cards than the Classified models. If you buy the SC model you improve your chances of getting a better gpu however there is no guarantee. The classified models are higher clocked than the SC versions and are designed for overclockers that want to push their card to the max. However these days a lot of people on the forums are getting crappy cards, I think it's because they are reserving there best GPU's for the Kingpin Classified version.

I think the ACX cooler is one of the best non reference coolers on the market however no better than a solution from Asus or MSI.
If I had to choose I would go with the Asus even though the cards with ACX coolers are probably faster out of the box, Asus also has
a ROG line that is really good however it's expensive and not out yet for the 780 ti. Some of the high end non reference cards have a more advanced power design and provide better cooling for the gpu at the expense of circulating hot air in the case.

If I had some extra money I would consider buying another Asus 780 ti and based on the leaked specifications avoid the 790.


My first choice would be to get 2 black eidition Titans based on the leaked specifications because of the 6 gb of VRAM.
In most cases 3 GB of VRAM is more than enough and 6 GB of Vram is for 4k however if you use SSAA or want to increase your scaling in BF4 to 200% the extra vram might be beneficial. The hardware with also last longer with the extra vram for future games in my opinion. If i could get a 780 ti with 6 gb of ram for an extra 100-150 dollars I would probably buy it however for 300 dollars more I would have to think about it.

Being a enthusiast is a good thing if you have the money, this is not a cheap hobby however it's interesting and fulfilling.
I'm happy with my 780 ti however I could use more power because than I could turn up my settings and enjoy even better graphics.
I have a Samsung 970d 1440p calibrated monitor that makes my games look great! If possible I like to play my games at max settings
with very smooth game play.

One of the benefits of 780 ti SLI is that if a game isn't optimized for SLI, you still get a good experience with 1 780 ti @ 1440p.

No problem I'm happy to help




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January 26, 2014 6:53:37 AM

I didn't get any coil whine or any strange noises from my Asus or 780 evga reference model that I owned in the past however I've read on the EVGA forums that some 780 ti reference models have coil whine - when I asked the evga tech support about this he told me this is true however sometimes the the coil whine goes away when the cards is used for a few hours.

I've never heard of any reference or non reference Asus cards producing coil whine or buzzing sounds.

In my opinion you should get the 2x Asus 780 ti's unless you can absorb the wait and the extra $600 for the 2 black edition Titans.

What part of Europe are you from?
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January 26, 2014 7:30:09 AM

mr91 said:
I didn't get any coil whine or any strange noises from my Asus or 780 evga reference model that I owned in the past however I've read on the EVGA forums that some 780 ti reference models have coil whine - when I asked the evga tech support about this he told me this is true however sometimes the the coil whine goes away when the cards is used for a few hours.

I've never heard of any reference or non reference Asus cards producing coil whine or buzzing sounds.

In my opinion you should get the 2x Asus 780 ti's unless you can absorb the wait and the extra $600 for the 2 black edition Titans.

What part of Europe are you from?


Germany here. And well, price for 2 ti's is where i'd definately draw the line. Only way id go for 1 titan black or 790 instead of 2 780 ti's is if either one of those new cards is more attractive than having 2 ti's. Do you think that this will be the case?
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January 26, 2014 9:17:32 AM

I don't think a 790 or a Titan black will be more attractive than 2x 780 ti 's based on the leaked specifications.

My suggestion is to go with 2 Asus 780 ti reference cards, they are very powerful even @ stock settings.

I have one and I'm satisfied when playing BF4 mulitplayer with a single 780 ti on ultra however it wouldn't hurt to have another one and set the scaling to 150% lol

I have friends in Dusseldorf, I was in Germany in 2008 visiting my them.

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January 26, 2014 9:42:20 AM

mr91 said:
I don't think a 790 or a Titan black will be more attractive than 2x 780 ti 's based on the leaked specifications.

My suggestion is to go with 2 Asus 780 ti reference cards, they are very powerful even @ stock settings.

I have one and I'm satisfied when playing BF4 mulitplayer with a single 780 ti on ultra however it wouldn't hurt to have another one and set the scaling to 150% lol

I have friends in Dusseldorf, I was in Germany in 2008 visiting my them.



Exactly, or 200% haha

Anyway, i think ive narrowed it down to either 2 asus reference models because of the airflow + the mentioned quality or the gigabyte ghz edition. The ghz edition appears to be quite slim and compact in comparison with other custom coolers. Also the speed is supposedly more than 20% over stock speed.

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January 26, 2014 10:28:17 AM

You might need more than 3 GB of VRAM for 200%, I'm not sure how much memory will be used.

I remember when I set the scaling to 125% I was using between 2200-2500mb of VRAM, I can't remember exactly.


I would stay away from anything Gigabyte except for their motherboards especially their windforce stuff however if you chose this option and you get lucky you might get a 20% clock increase out of the box over reference. Your case is quite good so I don't think you will have any problems even if you put two ghz edition cards in it. I don't' know much about the new revision of windforce coolers however it was already recalled once for the 290x. Check out the link below. I purchased a windforce gtx 670 because I got it for a 40% cheaper than than Asus or EVGA variant and I was not satisfied with it.

http://videocardz.com/48592/gigabyte-halts-radeon-r9-29...



What motherboard and power supply do you have?
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January 26, 2014 11:19:11 AM

mr91 said:
You might need more than 3 GB of VRAM for 200%, I'm not sure how much memory will be used.

I remember when I set the scaling to 125% I was using between 2200-2500mb of VRAM, I can't remember exactly.


I would stay away from anything Gigabyte except for their motherboards especially their windforce stuff however if you chose this option and you get lucky you might get a 20% clock increase out of the box over reference. Your case is quite good so I don't think you will have any problems even if you put two ghz edition cards in it. I don't' know much about the new revision of windforce coolers however it was already recalled once for the 290x. Check out the link below. I purchased a windforce gtx 670 because I got it for a 40% cheaper than than Asus or EVGA variant and I was not satisfied with it.

http://videocardz.com/48592/gigabyte-halts-radeon-r9-29...



What motherboard and power supply do you have?


So should we actually be talking about 2x 290x in crossfire as they have one more gb of vram? :D 
I (will) have a rampage black ed. Board with a BeQuiet! Dark Power 10 1200w
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January 26, 2014 11:36:31 AM

If the only game you play is battlefield 4 that might not be a bad idea however than you would need need to buy a non reference cooler and the only one I would consider is the Ausus DCU II that will probably cost you the same price as a 780 ti.

I would stick to the 780 ti SLI configuration for gaming in general and I'm sure 150%-175% scaling will look good enough lol

That's supposed to be the best motherboard on the market, my next motherboard will be Asus. I heard BeQuiet is really good and the # 1 best selling power supply in Germany. Basically a Seasonic power supply refined with Germany engineering.

Your system will be a beast, My guess is you're going to use the 4930k for your processor.
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January 26, 2014 12:00:46 PM

mr91 said:
If the only game you play is battlefield 4 that might not be a bad idea however than you would need need to buy a non reference cooler and the only one I would consider is the Ausus DCU II that will probably cost you the same price as a 780 ti.

I would stick to the 780 ti SLI configuration for gaming in general and I'm sure 150%-175% scaling will look good enough lol

That's supposed to be the best motherboard on the market, my next motherboard will be Asus. I heard BeQuiet is really good and the # 1 best selling power supply in Germany. Basically a Seasonic power supply refined with Germany engineering.

Your system will be a beast, My guess is you're going to use the 4930k for your processor.


Yup, 4930k. :) 
I found this article. It compares 780 ti sli with 290x cf.
Seems like 780 ti really is the better choice. But unsurprisingly, not by far.
In the conclusion, it states that while ti's are significantly quieter, they still make some hell of noise.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/ge...

Im a big fan of bequiet. All their products have this premium feeling to it. If their dark rock pro cpu cooler wasnt such a giant monster which blocks ram slots, i wouldve taken it.
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January 26, 2014 12:43:21 PM

Based on FPS the difference isn't huge however in my opinion Nvidia offers a better gaming experience. I suggest you read the article below.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-gefo...

The reference model r9 290's weren't consistent with their specs read below. AMD or their board partners decided to send tomshardware a golden sample for the press card. lol When Tomshardware bought a card on the retail channel the cards wouldn't boost to 1 ghz and were significantly slower. I heard that the Asus cards were the best performing reference cards.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-drive...

I like bequiet too, I think you made the right choice by going with Corsair however the Bequiet looks better and makes less noise.
For my next build I will use Corsair for my CPU cooler.
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January 26, 2014 10:55:47 PM

mr91 said:
Based on FPS the difference isn't huge however in my opinion Nvidia offers a better gaming experience. I suggest you read the article below.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-gefo...

The reference model r9 290's weren't consistent with their specs read below. AMD or their board partners decided to send tomshardware a golden sample for the press card. lol When Tomshardware bought a card on the retail channel the cards wouldn't boost to 1 ghz and were significantly slower. I heard that the Asus cards were the best performing reference cards.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-drive...

I like bequiet too, I think you made the right choice by going with Corsair however the Bequiet looks better and makes less noise.
For my next build I will use Corsair for my CPU cooler.


Not a huge difference in FPS but maybe in a year or so, the 4 gb vram of the 290x would begin to shine over the 3gb of the ti?
And as youve mentioned, if i wanted to have the luxury of going for 200% resolution scale, i would be limited by the 3gb but not the 4gb of the 290x.

However, the custom design cooler may make the 290x cooler and quieter (looking at the same msi gaming version of the card that they also offer for the Ti). But im pretty sure that the danger with the temperatures will start anew when you have 2 of them in sli. What do you think?

If i follow your advice and go for the 780 Ti i'll still feel a little bit uneasy about buying a reference model. I love the fact with the airflow and thats a big plus for me. However, i've dug out a couple of reviews that state that the reference coolers are loud and not as efficient as the custom ones. I dont want to sit next to a jet (noise-wise) when having them in sli. Is your asus reference card really quiet? Even under load? Otherwise the MSI Gaming 3G model is beginning to look pretty attractive.

What im trying to say is, if im not going to have that fancy little out-of-box overclock, i at least want a cool and quiet card.
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January 27, 2014 7:18:08 AM

FPS is not the only measure of a gaming experience - did you read the article above where Tomhardware compared the 790 and 690?
I don't think the 200% resolution scale will run smoothly even with 2x 290x. 2 or 3 black edition Titan's would probably be needed. lol

290x non reference runs hotter than a 780 ti using the same non reference cooler and most likely significantly louder.
Sli will increase temperature and increase noise because of fan speed needs to be increased.

My reference card is quieter under load significantly quieter than my old 670 windforce. Two cards in SLI will increase noise however it won't sound like a jet engine that is the amd reference cards that sound like jet engine.

The MSI also will make noise in SLI.

Below is tiny Toms review and video where he confirms the 780 ti is quiet.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_...

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January 27, 2014 7:53:51 AM

Thanks for your answer. As usual, very helpful :) 
Read this on overclock3d:

Noise wise really, it's as good as it can be. Up-to two cards you can hear a some airflow under full GPU stress. Nothing rather irritating or annoying though.

source: http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_...

So what i can take from this is that the reference model is actually quiet and o.k. in sli.
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January 27, 2014 8:09:46 AM

You're Welcome!

Quiet however not completely silent unless you're playing older games that don't require much power like Skyrim without Mods.
Do you game with a headset?

The main challenge with the 780 ti sli is the 3 gb of Vram in my opinion.
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January 27, 2014 8:59:07 AM

mr91 said:
You're Welcome!

Quiet however not completely silent unless you're playing older games that don't require much power like Skyrim without Mods.
Do you game with a headset?

The main challenge with the 780 ti sli is the 3 gb of Vram in my opinion.


You're absolutely right. It's making me a little bit uneasy thinking that this limited vram could very soon beging to show. After all this is a big investment.
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January 27, 2014 11:47:41 AM

I read another article that was similar to this one - unfortunately this is the price you have to pay to increase the life of your investment.





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January 27, 2014 11:57:19 AM

mr91 said:
I read another article that was similar to this one - unfortunately this is the price you have to pay to increase the life of your investment.







Yea, i guess so.

And another thing is coming to my mind - "closing the gap between the quadro and geforce series". In other words, if you want to mainly use the pc for high-end graphic design stuff, with high-end gaming as a side-occupation, then this is probably the card for you.

I suppose it can do rendering etc. as well as gaming. 6gb on a faster version of the Ti sounds very, very good right now. And hey, its not like a single Geforce Gtx780 Ti is doing so bad at bf4 either. Perhaps if i took one id be all set?
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January 27, 2014 12:21:56 PM

That's right and you also get better double precision compute power for scientific computing. I'm not sure how much VRAM a graphics artist would need However I heard that Quadro drivers don't work on Geforce cards. The fully enabled GK110 quadro is apparently around 5k _ Are you into graphics?

I think you would be satisfied with the performance and you can also get another in a year... That black edition would like very nice on that black edition motherboard.
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January 27, 2014 12:42:33 PM

mr91 said:
That's right and you also get better double precision compute power for scientific computing. I'm not sure how much VRAM a graphics artist would need However I heard that Quadro drivers don't work on Geforce cards. The fully enabled GK110 quadro is apparently around 5k _ Are you into graphics?

I think you would be satisfied with the performance and you can also get another in a year... That black edition would like very nice on that black edition motherboard.


Yup, very much into graphics. So to say my job. ;) 
The initial idea with this build was to build both a beast-pc for graphic design stuff and for supreme gaming.

I also looked into those quadro cards. But they appear to be scientific computing only. And dont even get me started on the price, haha. Anyway, the fact that the titan black offers much vram for gpu acceleration in programs like photoshop, makes it somehat justifiable. But in games, it will perform like a ti or even better, right? The chip is probably a good bit faster and the 6gb will probably also be noticed somehow?
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January 27, 2014 1:20:14 PM

Telsa cards are for Scientific computing and Quadro cards are for making movies like the Hobbit.

My guess is it will perform 5-10% better than the 780 ti and the extra VRAM will to increase performance with anti aliasing and 4k + resolutions.

I tried to run bf4 with 200% scaling on ultra and it was unplayable @ 1440p lol My guess is a black edition might get 20 fps at 200% scaling.

My card just didn't have enough VRAM however to run this game at 200% scaling you will need at least two and maybe three Titan black edition cards in my opinion.

I think you will get an extra boost in performance because you have a very high end cpu and motherboard.
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January 27, 2014 10:25:22 PM

mr91 said:
Telsa cards are for Scientific computing and Quadro cards are for making movies like the Hobbit.

My guess is it will perform 5-10% better than the 780 ti and the extra VRAM will to increase performance with anti aliasing and 4k + resolutions.

I tried to run bf4 with 200% scaling on ultra and it was unplayable @ 1440p lol My guess is a black edition might get 20 fps at 200% scaling.

My card just didn't have enough VRAM however to run this game at 200% scaling you will need at least two and maybe three Titan black edition cards in my opinion.

I think you will get an extra boost in performance because you have a very high end cpu and motherboard.


I remember this one time I used the "Geforce Experience" app to set everything to max. As a result, i had also unknowingly set the resolution scale to 200. When i launched the games i was like "whats going on here?? Why is everything moving in slow motion" had like 4-7 fps haha.

I still havent fully dropped the Ti Sli. But i feel more and more like it is a questionable investment to make at this exact moment when we are maybe 2 or 3 weeks away from the release of a titan black. Also what's on the 790. From what i hear, it apears to be a little less power hungry combination of 2 780Ti on one card? That would make this double-gpu-card even faster than the black titan, right? Also it has 2x5Gb vram, so 10 in total? How would you expect that card perform at said resolution scale etc.?
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January 28, 2014 6:31:06 AM

The gtx 790 is rumored to have 5 GB per card however the card will be limited to 5 gb in games. For example if you buy two gtx 780 ti each card has 3gb however that doesn't mean game will be able to utilize 6 gb.


Based on the specs it seems that the performance will be similar to gtx 780 sli give or take however if there isn't a SLI profile for the game or if the game doesn't work very well with SLI you can lose the benefits of dual gpu set up or get an unstable experience.

The gtx 790 is significantly less power hungry, I heard the estimated power consumption is 300-350 watts however that's not a good thing for performance. Based on the rumored specs Nvidia reduced the Memory interface from 384 bit to 320 bit and I'm sure they did this and other modifications to make the card more power efficient and reduce the production costs.

You have a 1200 watt high end power supply that will have no problem handing the 500 watts required by 2x 780 ti's.
One of the benefits is that you save money on electricity if you choose the 790 over 780 ti sli

Are you using the gtx 780 in your current rig?

My guess is that the card would give you about 25 fps @ 200% scaling which is unacceptable for bf4.

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January 28, 2014 7:16:46 AM

mr91 said:
The gtx 790 is rumored to have 5 GB per card however the card will be limited to 5 gb in games. For example if you buy two gtx 780 ti each card has 3gb however that doesn't mean game will be able to utilize 6 gb.


Based on the specs it seems that the performance will be similar to gtx 780 sli give or take however if there isn't a SLI profile for the game or if the game doesn't work very well with SLI you can lose the benefits of dual gpu set up or get an unstable experience.

The gtx 790 is significantly less power hungry, I heard the estimated power consumption is 300-350 watts however that's not a good thing for performance. Based on the rumored specs Nvidia reduced the Memory interface from 384 bit to 320 bit and I'm sure they did this and other modifications to make the card more power efficient and reduce the production costs.

You have a 1200 watt high end power supply that will have no problem handing the 500 watts required by 2x 780 ti's.
One of the benefits is that you save money on electricity if you choose the 790 over 780 ti sli

Are you using the gtx 780 in your current rig?

My guess is that the card would give you about 25 fps @ 200% scaling which is unacceptable for bf4.



Hi. Yup, will use the gtx780 in my all new rig untill i find a proper, future-proof solution. Then, i will try to sell the card and (apparently) go either for twin Ti's or Black Titan.

On videocardz.com i found this interesting comment from one of the user's. Maybe you can tell me whether that person is right or not:

It's true though. 6 Gigs of ram are only usefull for 4K gaming. Hell even then I don't think it will matter that much since even at 4K I have never seen a game go over 4 gigs of ram needed. maybe a fully super modded skyrim but I remember not even BF4 going over 4 gigs. It's not really a memory issue that makes 4K gaming difficult. it's a processing issue. Since I game at 1440P a titan black is completely useless. now a 790 is more interesting.

Could this be true? If so, that would mean that i can relaxedly buy the twin Ti's without fearing intense limitations in 4k gaming.

Looking forward to hear your thoughts on this.
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