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GTA IV Terrible FPS on a Decent PC and PC vs Console

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January 25, 2014 6:11:50 AM

INTRO

Well you have most probably heard of the release of GTA V on consoles, me being a pc guy I'm waiting and hoping for a pc release. But before than i thought id replay a bit of GTA IV to buy some time, so i was really excited to reinstall and revisit GTA IV. Now before i go on id just like to mention that I know GTA IV is one of the most laggiest pc ports but given the specs of my pc i should be able to run this as smooth as butter. and i know this because i have a friend who has a pc very similar to mine but mainly with a lower gpu and bit better cpu, he is able to run GTA IV with the same settings as mine but with a better and more stable fps, which begs the question WHY? Now to compare the results and specs ( Down Bellow).



SETTINGS ON BOTH PC'S


-Every setting maxed out in 1920x1080 in Aspect Ratio 16:9 and no mods.

TEXTURE QUALITY| High
REFLECTION RESOLUTION| Very High
WATER QUALITY| Very High
SHADOW QUALITY| Very High
NIGHT SHADOWS| Very High
TEXTURE FILTER QUALITY| Anisotropic x16
VIEW DISTANCE| 100
DETAIL DISTANCE| 100
VEHICLE DENSITY| 100
DEFINITION| On
VSync| Off


MY PC ( Sam aka monkeymansam)


-My Computer Specs:

1. MB | ASUS M5A99X EVO Motherboard R2
2. HD | Seagate Barracuda 1TB
3. RAM | G.Skill F3-14900CL9D (2x4GB)
4. CPU | AMD FX-8350
5. GPU | XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB
6. PSU | Corsair VS750 ATX
7. Case | Standard case
8. OD | Standard optical drive
9. OS | Windows 7-64Bit: Home Premium


MY FRIENDS PC ( I'l refer to him as Bob)


-Bob's Computer Specs

1. MB | ASUS M5A99X EVO Motherboard R2
2. HD | Western Digital 2TB
3. RAM | 8GB DDR3 (2x4GB)
4. CPU | Intel i5 3570k i think
5. GPU | AMD HD 7970
6. PSU | Corsair VS650 ATX
7. Case | Decent Case
8. OD | No optical drive dost ask me why, he prefers to download.
9. OS | Windows 7-64Bit: Ultimate


RESULTS

-Results in game, not using the stupid benchmark.

OK for the MAJORITY of the time spent playing GTA you are either lets face it walking and killing or driving and killing. So here are the killing results...

(in fps btw)

My PC | Bob's PC

Walking | 30-40 | 40-50

Driving | 25-35 | 30-40


CONCLUSION


-So now that you have survived this read here is the conclusion.

Well you can obviously tell Bob's pc is outperforming mine although when playing other games such as BF4 etc I can easily top his pc. Now what i think might be happening with GTA is that Bob's cpu is more suited to older games/ last gen that use's 4 cores whereas my cpu is more suited to newer games/ new gen that utilizes 8 cores, that's my guess anyway and Bob's gpu might be more suited towards gta, I'm uncertain on that one.

So my main questions are:

( btw don't feel pressured to answer all the questions but feel free to answer as much or little as you want)

1. Why is my rig out performed by another one not up to par as mine?
2. Is my rig more suited towards next gen and his to last gen?
3. What could I possibly do to improve performance in GTA IV with a rig such as mine?
4. Do you think or know if GTA V is coming to pc and would you like it to
5. Finally and most controversial are you a pc or console fan or are you cool with both

( I'm more of a pc fan but I'm looking at getting into consoles, so hearing your thoughts on the topic would help me and others maybe get a better idea on both sides)


ADDITIONAL INFO


-Bob now has a better pc and it is a beast

1. MB | ASUS M5A99X EVO Motherboard R2
2. HD/SSD | Western Digital 3TB, SSD 250GB Samsung
3. RAM | 16GB DDR3 (2x8GB)
4. CPU | Intel i7 3570k
5. GPU | ASUS GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB
6. PSU | Corsair Hs850 i think
7. Case | A kickass Case
8. OD | Still no optical drive, he now says it gives the pc more breathing room and he doesn't need it. makes a little more sense
9. OS | Windows 7-64Bit: Ultimate

-AMD vs NVIDIA and Intel gpu/cpu

I like AMD because it is good price for performance but I prefer Nvidia and Intel because i find they are more reliable and perform better but at the cost of a premium.

more in depth talk here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-core-i7-377...)

-Performance Tips I have applied to GTA IV

1.contig for GTA
2.http://gtaforums.com/topic/511785-gta-4-performancegrap... ( contig is also found here there are also other tips but i found contig most helpful).
3. Update your drivers ( you can find your drivers for Nvidia or AMD below)

Nvidia: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
AMD: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
4. Overclock
You can Overclock in various ways but i find using msi afterburner is easiest but id prefer to run my gpu at a more relaxed pace to ensure its longevity( so stock).

http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm


THANK YOU

-Thank you for taking your time to read this, I look forward to your responses and I hope this was informative enough and easy to read ( because it felt like i typed for ages LOL). =D

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January 25, 2014 6:23:21 AM

the intel build uses 4 cores that are recognized architecture the fx is pretty much an unknown cpu configuration for the game. because of this the game tends to load up the 4 cores on 2 modules rather than spreading the load across all 4 modules using 1 core each.
end result the threading performance is compromised.
its not that his pc is better than yours by a huge amount, just the cpu is more efficient at threading. he would have a similar issue if he had a 4 core 8 thread cpu.
reason i know this to be an issue. is my 920. when i use hyper threading i get poor gta 4 performance. i disable it and my performance jumps up to playable 45fps minimum.

you could try dropping the draw distance to around 30 as that allon has a heavy penalty on the cpu. also running the game of an ssd or raid config will stop most of the texture pop issues you may be seeing.
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January 25, 2014 6:53:50 AM

HEXiT said:
the intel build uses 4 cores that are recognized architecture the fx is pretty much an unknown cpu configuration for the game. because of this the game tends to load up the 4 cores on 2 modules rather than spreading the load across all 4 modules using 1 core each.
end result the threading performance is compromised.
its not that his pc is better than yours by a huge amount, just the cpu is more efficient at threading. he would have a similar issue if he had a 4 core 8 thread cpu.
reason i know this to be an issue. is my 920. when i use hyper threading i get poor gta 4 performance. i disable it and my performance jumps up to playable 45fps minimum.

you could try dropping the draw distance to around 30 as that allon has a heavy penalty on the cpu. also running the game of an ssd or raid config will stop most of the texture pop issues you may be seeing.


thank-you for your response and the in depth explanation, it was very informative. i will adjust my draw distance and will probably look into a SSD or RAID but it seems I'l need to learn a thing or two about it first as i did a quick search over RAID and it seems a little complex, but I'm up for the challenge just need to find the time.

( here is where i read about RAID btw if anyone is interested)
http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/RAID
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January 25, 2014 7:07:00 AM

Home PC use will usually use RAID 0 or RAID 1 across 2 identical drives. Raid 0, the drives act like one continuous, larger drive. Raid 1, teh drives are mirrors of each other. RAID 0 is faster, but has no backup if a drive fails. Raid 1 allows you to recover all your data if one drive fails.
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