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January 25, 2014 7:21:57 AM

Hi all just a few questions on gaming machines i plan to build a pc with 1 card for now but will be wanting to add another card at a later date to cope with newer games can any body link me some parts that would be capable of this i dont plan on any overclocking as this aint my thing just games like bf4 wow etc with ultra gfx at reasonable res nothing super huge also i do a ton of streaming from xbmc n stuff.
nothing super pricey unless its super cool
Thx in advance

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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2014 7:27:13 AM

Can you give us a budget? Also, you say you plan on wanting a second card, but adding a second card wont give you 2 times the performance. It's always better to go with 1 powerful card.
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January 25, 2014 7:33:04 AM

like £900-1k with the 1 card but i cant afford a mint card right now wont 2 be better overall for the games stated( noob here btw)
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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2014 7:37:44 AM

tokinterror said:
like £900-1k with the 1 card but i cant afford a mint card right now wont 2 be better overall for the games stated( noob here btw)


No, adding a second card will only give you 40-60% more, you don't just double performance and double FPS. It's always better to buy 1 powerful card. Also, just to be sure, you live in the UK right? Give me a few minutes to make a build.

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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2014 7:48:12 AM

Alright so here's the build: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/2HjhI for a total of £991

I didn't include the monitor, mouse, keyboard, wireless adapter, or the OS. So make sure you have those.
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January 25, 2014 7:59:30 AM

it is actually like 70-90% performance increase with 2 GPUs. there is nothing wrong with buying the best card budget will allow then getting another later on.
not that the gpu that you chose is bad but this costs less and is just as good/better:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/GeForce-DirectCU-Graphics-Expre...

edit: just noticed you choose the 280x toxic which is a fantastic card. forget the 770 the toxic is better. sorry should have looked closer
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January 25, 2014 8:03:27 AM

i I thought coolers where for overclocking and also the K none of which i need
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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2014 8:16:16 AM

The K vs the none K has almost no price difference and the K has about 100GHz difference which can help. Check out the benchmarks: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

Just scroll down until you find he 4670k and scroll lower to see the 4670.

Also, you NEED to install a cooler, it's not just for overclocking. All processors come with a cooler but the stock Intel CPU cooler is completely awful, so that's why you need an aftermarket one. Trust me, nothing was put there uselessly and the parts are the best for the money and compatibility.

And like Shadow was saying about the 70-90% increase (depending on the cards), that doesn't apply to in-game situations like FPS but I get what he means. If you run a game at 100 FPS, you won't run it at 190 FPS with a second card, but it all depends on the game and the card how close you get to that.
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January 25, 2014 8:27:22 AM

Ok so the sound of things im gonna be needing 1 card cos i will only be using 1 monitor with 1440 ish res i would pref 1 of the gtx cards and is there a huge leap in terms of gaming between a 3350p vs4670k
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a b 4 Gaming
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January 25, 2014 8:31:02 AM

Actually there is a pretty substantial price difference between an overclocking Intel build and a non-overclocking Intel build due to the fact that at least three components can be downgraded.

Here's a build which can only support a single graphics card (which is more than sufficient for most people) but comes in under budget and includes a GTX780 (more than sufficient for 1080P gaming, and 1440P) you can drop to a 280X or GTX770 and still be comfortable) and an SSD. It also leaves loads of space in the budget for an OS if required, and any peripherals.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£129.90 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£55.30 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£63.14 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£68.79 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.97 @ Dabs)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (£379.55 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi ATX Mid Tower Case (£49.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.96 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.96 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £847.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-25 16:29 GMT+0000)
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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2014 8:31:16 AM

tokinterror said:
Ok so the sound of things im gonna be needing 1 card cos i will only be using 1 monitor with 1440 ish res i would pref 1 of the gtx cards and is there a huge leap in terms of gaming between a 3350p vs4670k


Yea, there's a solid enough difference between those processors. Also, why do you want a GTX card? If you want an Nvidea card better than the 280x Toxic, you're gonna be spending a lot more money for such a small difference.

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January 25, 2014 9:16:36 AM

Whammy said:
tokinterror said:
Ok so the sound of things im gonna be needing 1 card cos i will only be using 1 monitor with 1440 ish res i would pref 1 of the gtx cards and is there a huge leap in terms of gaming between a 3350p vs4670k


Yea, there's a solid enough difference between those processors. Also, why do you want a GTX card? If you want an Nvidea card better than the 280x Toxic, you're gonna be spending a lot more money for such a small difference.


Some times my room can get hot in the warmer months and i read that the gtx cards run much cooler
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a b 4 Gaming
January 25, 2014 9:30:02 AM

tokinterror said:
Whammy said:
tokinterror said:
Ok so the sound of things im gonna be needing 1 card cos i will only be using 1 monitor with 1440 ish res i would pref 1 of the gtx cards and is there a huge leap in terms of gaming between a 3350p vs4670k


Yea, there's a solid enough difference between those processors. Also, why do you want a GTX card? If you want an Nvidea card better than the 280x Toxic, you're gonna be spending a lot more money for such a small difference.


Some times my room can get hot in the warmer months and i read that the gtx cards run much cooler


That's a lie. Companies use the same coolers, just change the gpu. Also, why did you choose the other build? For only 100 pounds less, you get a worse cpu, no aftermarket cooler (the stock Intel cooler is completely awful), worse motherboard, a non-modular psu, slower RAM with lower compatibility with Asus motherboards compared to the Trident RAM I suggested, and a worse optical drive ( not that that matters the most). It's your call, just make sure you have the right facts. Also, the card chosen is 100 pounds more for not much performance difference, look at the benchmarks! http://www.anandtech.com/show/7406/the-sapphire-r9-280x...
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a b 4 Gaming
a c 170 B Homebuilt system
January 25, 2014 10:04:39 AM

Yeah there is no issues with the R9 280X, the R9 290/290X have had some issues with cooling, but they are designed to run hotter. The 280X isn't really any hotter than its main rival, the GTX770, if you compare versions with similar coolers like say the Windforce or Twin Frozer.

The Toxic is certainly a great card, but it's also quite a bit more expensive than a more conventional 280X or GTX770 so depending on which country you live in, it might not necessarily be a great purchase, especially when you consider it's relatively outlandish power demands. The GTX780 is quite a bit better though, those figures are for reference 780s, and they still show it to be noticeably faster.
You are correct that the GTX780 isn't really worth an extra £100, but you can make that argument at almost any level (for example, the Toxic isn't worth £40 over a standard 280X). Performance/pound will always be increasingly poor, on the GTX780Ti it's terrible but they are still selling them.

As for the rest of your comments, some are true, some are not. You don't "need" an aftermarket cooler to cool an Intel CPU, the stock cooler will do the job fine, and if you do decide to add one later it's a relatively easy thing to do (especially as I chopped so much off the budget).
1600Mhz ram is the most supported by B85/H87, but I managed to find a CAS8 kit which is significant - 2400Mhz memory does not provide a performance advantage, and in some tasks can actually perform worse. I am unsure why my memory needs to be compatible with Asus motherboards...
A stock 4670K and a stock 4440 are near to identical in gaming performance. Overclocking will skew this, depending on the game, but often it's going to be down to a few fps. It's really not that big a deal.
The motherboard is just great value for money, I fail to see why spending more here is useful in this instance.
A modular PSU is nice to have, but it's not an absolute "must-have", especially in a full ATX case with lots of room to tuck cables.
Also, I included an SSD. It's also not a "must-have", but it's certainly nice to have the option available.

Factor all of that together, and you have a system which costs well over £200 less and will outperform or equal it in pretty much any task. Swapping in a GTX770 or R9 280X (as I suggested for 1080P) would make that price difference over £350, though if it were me I'd probably stick with GTX780/R9 290 for 1440P+.
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January 25, 2014 10:05:20 AM

Firstly ill be playing bf4 all the test i look at show the gtx is better for bf4 and the mobo i dont understand why i would need a expensive 1 the ram i read is a tiny diffrence unless its clocked it and i would get a cooler for gpu cos my room can get warm.
If i can save costs on a few bits to get the best single card for my budget ill be happy i have money but if i can help spending it all i can maybe get me a decent keyboard or sound card thx for the help guys.
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