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Will a Sapphire Radeon x1900 xt fit into my Dell Optiplex GX620?

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January 27, 2014 11:09:54 AM

I have recently bought a Dell Optiplex GX 620 and I wanna buy a Sapphire Radeon x1900xt which has 512 MB and 256 bits. I wanna know for sure if this card will fit inside, considering its dimensions. My Optiplex GX620 is the big model - I mean the model in which the optical drive (DVD) sits on horizontal, not vertical.
Thanks in advance!


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January 27, 2014 2:12:21 PM

clutchc said:
If this is the card you are referring to: http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1...
... and your MB has a PCIe X16 slot, yes it will fit fine. Be aware that it will take up 2 expansion slots.


Thanks for the reply! Yes, I have a PCI Express 16x slot on my motherboard. And that Radeon you showed me is the card I wanna buy. I wanna know if it will fit inside my Dell because this Radeon is pretty big. Here is a photo of my motherboard:



Will the Radeon fit well on that motherboard? Will it be positioned with the cooler up or down? And if it will be with the cooler facing downwards (toward the PCI slots), will it affect my sound card - which I placed on the lower PCI precisely for this reason? Moreover, could there be any transistors (or whatever they are called) or anything else on the motherboard that might block the video card's position inside? Are you sure that there is enough room inside my PC for this Radeon to comfortably stay there?
Sorry for being too insistent, but I really need to know and to be 100% sure before buying this video card, because I won't have the possibility of returning it, since I buy it second-hand from a guy outside my town, not from a company or from a web store, and thus I don't have the possibility of testing it in my PC before the purchase.
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January 27, 2014 3:16:03 PM

Ah. One of those proprietary Dell Mbs. I thought maybe they had used retail boards on that model. Good thing you posted the pic.

No, I'm afraid I will have to renege on my first post. That board is built differently than the standard mATX motherboard. As a result, those 2 tall resistors will interfere with the card. The body of the gfx card will extend to the right in the picture. You will need a single slot card. I presume you are buying used, because that card is obsolete. How much is your budget for a card? And do you want the card for gaming?
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January 27, 2014 5:53:54 PM

clutchc said:
Ah. One of those proprietary Dell Mbs. I thought maybe they had used retail boards on that model. Good thing you posted the pic.

No, I'm afraid I will have to renege on my first post. That board is built differently than the standard mATX motherboard. As a result, those 2 tall resistors will interfere with the card. The body of the gfx card will extend to the right in the picture. You will need a single slot card. I presume you are buying used, because that card is obsolete. How much is your budget for a card? And do you want the card for gaming?


I opened my PC and had a close look at what is to be found in the vicinity of the PCI Express slot. As far as I could see, it's identical to the motherboard I posted the photo about and I can indeed see those two tall resistors there, but still, the Radeon will stay with the cooler facing upwards, right? In which case the cooler of the video card will not interfere with those two resistors, will it? Here is the link to the actual card that I intend to buy:



It looks indeed to be a big and long card, but are you really that certain those two resistors will obstruct the card's placement? It looks to me that there is, nevertheless, enough space there near the card's cooler for those two resistors not to interfere with the card... Or, if I'm wrong, can't there something be done about them, anything at all? I assumed from your previous post that you intended to present as a solution the option to buy another card - option which is pretty much out of the question, since I have longed for years for a card like this and I simply adore Radeon cards, especially the x1800 and x1900 models in general. Not to mention it's made by Sapphire, which is another plus in my eyes.

Yes, the card is second-hand, it has been used already, but I really wouldn't call it obsolete, by any means, at least not for what I want to use it. I want the card for gaming, obviously, otherwise I wouldn't buy such a graphic monster, but only games made until 2006, 2007 at best, because after that 1) the system requirements got bigger and bigger and the last thing I'd want is to force/overclock the card (or my PC in general, for that matter) and 2) I don't even like games made after 2007, I have plenty of other options to choose from up until that year. Brothers in Arms (Road to Hill 30 and Earned in Blood), Call of Duty 2, Chronicles of Riddick (Escape from Butcher Bay), Doom 3, F.E.A.R. (plus Extraction Point), Half-Life 2 (including Episode 1 and 2), Pariah, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3, Unreal Tournament 2004, S.W.A.T. 3 and 4, etc. Stuff like that, FPS mostly. I don't even think about playing Crysis 1, for instance :) 

But let's get back to those two resistors, if they'd really obstruct the card, can't they be removed, or at least one of them? Isn't there any way around this? I heard about motherboards which function quite OK even after a resistor got malfunctional or removed and I'd prefer doing that instead of looking for another card. Although I refuse to believe that they'd interfere with the card to the point that I'd need a card with a smaller cooler or something...

Like I said, if I'm wrong, prove me otherwise... :??: 
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January 27, 2014 7:09:32 PM

Prove you wrong? I don't have to prove anything. I'm giving my opinion. You can take a chance if you don't like the answer I've given.
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January 27, 2014 7:22:49 PM

It's not that I don't like your answer, I'm just looking for a solution to the resistors problem. What I wanna know as close as possible to the 100% certainty is:

1) Will those resistors obstruct the card's placement? I presented both photos, but I can't know for sure, not better than someone who already tried that card (or a card as similar as that, for that matter) in the Optiplex GX620, so... I'm asking those of you here who have.

2) If "yes" is the definitive answer, what can be done about them? Can they be, let's say... removed? Without impairing the motherboard's functionality?
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January 30, 2014 10:39:18 PM

I am here.
I look through all conversation and facts presented - your current card choice has 2 problems:

First, those 2 transistors are in the way of GPU cooler, those 2 transistors can be removed, can they be bent - I have no clue, but would not recommend it.
Second, your Radeon choice has dual bracket - it would not fit into the case, look below for an explanation....

THIS POST APPLICABLE TO MT (MINI TOWER) FORM FACTOR ONLY.

Unfortunately no card that is more than 7.5 inches long or 2 slots wide will PHYSICALLY FIT inside the case - it was found that only single bracket video card can fit due to BTX MOBO, where card internals facing upward towards PC internals, not ATX, where dual card design is blocking another PCI slot by facing downward.
If you prefer the card with beefier fan, then the length of the card must not exceed 7.5 inches, otherwise only "skinny" single bracket, single slot cards can physically fit.

Pictures below will prove my point.

View shows no room for dual bracket



Single bracket only, or you have to cut dual bracket in half



This is the other way to show my point



Here you can clearly see only single place for the bracket



Visual explanation



7.5 inches explained, also shown "obstacles"



This is the picture of actual "skinny" single slot video card (not sure which model)- perfect, "glove" fit.




So, as you can see this card is not a good choice, would you consider something else?

Edit: I just realized what is the most important third reason - your power supply - Radeon X1900 XT – 22-25A and a 520W PSU minimum this is from here http://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/power-requirements-....
Your power supply is about 300 watt, upgrade PSU on your Optiplex is a headache, can be done, but will require improvisation - The best option for you in this situation is to find Sapphire (you like this manufacturer, I do too for this card) HD7750 low profile like this one:



SAPPHIRE 100357LP Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Video Card - it is out of stock almost everywhere in the US.

GPU cooler is very skinny and should fit between card and transistors, also, no power supply upgrade is necessary here - this is your best choice, if you can find it!

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January 31, 2014 10:08:01 AM

Thank you very much, Kisianik! Things are 100% clear for me now. I know that I will have to buy a better power supply, one of at least 500 W. I will do that too, after I find a card which will fit into my motherboard. Speaking of which, I'd like to ask you if this card is a good choice for my Optiplex, both in terms of length/dimensions and of those transistors above the PCI Express slot:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It seems to me that it is a single-slot card, and I have found a site which says: ''Unlike HIS and MSI, Sapphire has opted to equip its Radeon X1950 Pro with a single-slot cooler.'' Here it is:

http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Announces+Radeon+X1950+Pro...

This Sapphire Radeon x1950 Pro 512 MB PCI-Express is the card I have already chosen as a replacement for that x1900 XT, so if you could please tell me: will this card physically fit into my motherboard? Is it too long or too wide, or is it OK? And will those transistors block it or interfere with its cooler or not?

Thanks again for your pertinent and eloquent answer, man, I appreciate it! Now, if you could please certify 100% percent for me the compatibility of the x1950 Pro, cause I'm one inch away from ordering it.

Here are some photos of the actual card I intend to buy:

http://mercador.ro/oferta/oferta-doar-saptamana-asta-sa...
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February 2, 2014 12:49:27 PM

First Power Supply (PSU) upgrade - some work required.

Optiplex GX620 Power Supply (PSU) Upgrade Guide

OK, this was not easy, but I got it. Yes it can be upgraded, however in the first choice it is 400 watt of unknown manufacturer upgraded to fit GX620 and plenty more similar Dell PCs.
Here we go, first choice at Amazon you can get this PSU with all connectors, I think http://www.amazon.com/ATXPowerSupplies-com-HP-Q2828F3P-...
Or you can get directly from manufacturer website, in this case you can choose which connectors you need, there is drop down menu where you can choose components, look a bit complicated, but I think it is better than Amazon http://www.atxpowersupplies.com/350-Watt-Dell-F5114-Pow...
So, what is going on above - standard PSU is fitted with metal plate which has mounting holes adapted to be used in GX620.

Now, I proceed to choice 2, adapting regular ATX PSU to GX620, this is hack job - you would have to do some modifications to fit this PSU, reward is 500 watt, maybe stronger can be used as well from the same PSU family line.
One person adapted Antec earthwatts EA500 to GX620 those are the links, first newegg, which is deactivated, but it contains good specs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Next is Amazon, here I provide all possible choices, in case if one will be sold out, the other one will stay http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias...

Now the interesting part is comes from this post http://en.community.dell.com/what-do-i-buy/for_enterpri...

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I just completed the power supply upgrade using an Anted EA-500. [he meant Antec]

The purpose was to provide power and especially the 6 pin molex connector for an nVidia Quadro FX 3450 graphics card. The Optiplex GX620 Mini Tower is up and running with no serious problems. However, I had to make two modifications to allow the new PSU to fit.

1. The chassis has three metal tabs that are designed to hook into and stabilize the Dell PSU. When the locking tab is depressed and the PSU slid away from the opening about an inch, these disengage. Since the new power supply had no slots, the least destructive and quickest solution seemed to be just to bend the tabs back out of the way. I accomplished that by pushing hard with a screwdriver. If need be, they could be returned to position.

2. One end of the power cord receptacle on the new PSU hit the edge of the chassis opening on the back of the computer. In that position, it would have been impossible to refasten most of the screws. I was able to remove one screw from the power recep. and cut off the plastic ear that was in the way.

With those changes, the power supply bolted up securely with all four screws and fit acceptably.

Bill


Little edition.

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HOWEVER

The SATA power cables are right angle.

You may need to get a Right Angle SATA Power connector for the hard drives.

Otherwise you can shear them off closing the cover.


Micro Center - Athena Power 6" SATA 15-pin Power Y-Splitter Cable



Serial ATA SATA Power to 2x Right-Angle SATA Power Extension



I think I covered all.

That was very extensive coverage.

Now, it seems to me that you live in Romania, if I am right, you have to use second approach, so you can adapt any PSU to your needs.

P.S. Use those recommendations when choosing power supply http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

Now regarding video card (GPU).

It looks like good fit, but since I don't have this setup myself I can not 100% guarantee this, still looking into this matter.
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February 8, 2014 4:57:08 PM

Wow, once again you answered with more than extensive and very well-documented information, thanks a lot Kisianik! I will try to make time to read everything from all the links you posted. Right now I just wanna say that since I do live indeed in Romania, I won't order any PSU from Amazon or from abroad, neither by internet nor by any other means. I thought that the best thing to do is to visit the (sadly very few) IT shops in my town, tell them everything about my PC and and its specifications and ask them if it would be possible to carry my PC to their shop in case they have a PSU I find to be good for my needs, and have them replace it themselves immediately after I purchase it, I mean right in the store, so that I can be 100% certain that it would fit properly and avoid any technical difficulties myself. It wouldn't be the first time when people do such things. Basically I will carry my PC to the shop and tell them: "Hello, here is my PC, I wanna buy a 500 W PSU (or better) for it and I also want you guys to unscrew the current PSU and put/place inside the new PSU so that I'm sure it will fit properly, and if it does, then I buy it." Most shops have service which should do that, it's not an unusual request.

As for the video card, judging after the photos, it seems to me that it is 100% a single-slot card, so normally it should fit inside without problems. Nevertheless, if you find any new info about this specific Radeon model, please tell me. The thing is that such cards are not to be found brand new, only second-hand, whereas PSUs are enough, I think, that's why I cannot test the GPU before purchasing it, but when it comes to the PSU, I will proceed as wisely as possible and let the experts at the shop find the best one for my computer and also install it themselves and test the PC right there in front of me with the new PSU already in. This way I think I won't have to worry about all the technical difficulties myself. Did I think things through well?

Once again, many thanks for your effort and awesome help, my friend!

PS: here are more photos of the Radeon I wanna buy:





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February 10, 2014 6:15:15 PM

My only concern with this card is that it is too old, with Direct X 9c, which is no good for today games, only for old ones, this is all - but I think it is all depends on your money, and I think you researched well for your needs.

I hope everything will go as planned, good luck.
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February 10, 2014 6:39:27 PM

I have run into the Optiplex 620 configuration problem previously, and didn't have that guide to explain things beforehand!

Anyway, the main issue with the micro-BTX motherboards is not the cramp due to the case or mobo parts, but the fact that the Dell heatsink sits RIGHT in the way of the PCI-e slot.

I would recomend getting a newer card mainly for power consumption reasons. If you don't have to replace the PSU, that's a lot of money you can put into a GPU.

But first, the configuration: I fit a full-length (well, about 8 inch or so: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...) double-height card into my Optiplex GX 620. I did it by using a PCI-express x16 extender cable: http://www.amazon.com/PCI-E-Express-Extender-Flexible-E...

I put the card with the cooler facing up in the BOTTOM two slots, so that the PCIe interface hangs just below the bottom of the mobo; the extender cable then goes up 4 spaces and into the PCIe x16 slot. There are no caps at the bottom of the mobo to get in the way, and it's far enough from the CPU heatsink to easily clear.

I then used a SATA to PCIe 6-pin converter to get power for the card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The GX 620 has an extra SATA power plug hanging just below the hard drive, less than 4 inches from the video card, in perfect placement to hook up this adapter; I put a non-conductive spacer under the card to keep it from touching the bottom of the case, and VOILA. Beautiful little gaming rig!

The stock PSU on the GX620 is a bit of a stretch for the 100 watts that the 1900 XT can pull down; the 7790 only uses 85 watts max and will KILL the 1900 xt in benchmarks.

The system is completely stock other than the card and two cables; it runs the 7790 GPU at 100% load in stress tests, and is 24/7 stable at 800 MHz core/1600 MHz memory clocks. I'm pretty sure you could use a 7770, 7750, R7 250 or R7 260 in place of the 7790.
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February 10, 2014 10:25:30 PM

Very good post BlacKHawK3


A few things. Your link http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA297... is broken or incorrect, can you fix it.

Second, do you still have this PC? Can you make picture with side panel opened so we can see miracle and post it here? That would be nice.

You are the first who documented this approach!

We need more onfo please.
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February 11, 2014 5:39:05 AM

Kisianik said:
Very good post BlacKHawK3


A few things. Your link http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA297... is broken or incorrect, can you fix it.

Second, do you still have this PC? Can you make picture with side panel opened so we can see miracle and post it here? That would be nice.

You are the first who documented this approach!

We need more onfo please.


Link fixed, points to amazon now; I can certainly put a few pics up when I get home today.
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February 12, 2014 3:16:12 PM

Here is a picture with the internals showing. You can see the video card and PCIe extender cable at the lower right, and the SATA power adapter at the lower left, just under the hard drive. Note that the PSU and other hardware are the stock Dell components.

http://i.imgur.com/M7ZcIFg.jpg

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February 12, 2014 5:49:35 PM

Interesting.

2 questions.
First, what you mean non-conductive material, I mean what actually you used.
Second, is your card is just lying on the bottom by gravity, or you managed to use door screws (back opennings). If it is in place only by gravity, it suppose to vibrate when in use, is it?

And lastly, I don't think you mentioned, what CPU you have - to calculate total power load you currently have (you also have only one hard drive and only one DVDWR correct?).

Appreciate your input.
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February 12, 2014 7:21:38 PM

My non-conductive material is a 1/2 inch roll of packing paper :D  I'd recommend using some type of plastic instead though (maybe a case fan?).

The GX620 has a flip-latch on the expansion slots, which takes the place of screws. That latch is holding the output end in place. As for the rest of the card, the PCIe extender cable is quite stiff and keeps it from vibrating, and gravity does the rest. It's stable with the case vertically or on its side.

The CPU is a 2.2GHz e4500, 65W TDP. Yes, one HDD and one DVD. Thermaltake's PSU calculator reccomends a 288 watt PSU for this setup, and the stock Dell PSU is a 305 watt. Not a ton of power headroom, but it has run fine for months with a 100% GPU load (it's mining a few litecoins).

The GPU runs at 55C steady at 100% use.

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February 13, 2014 5:45:00 PM

BlacKHawK3 said:
My non-conductive material is a 1/2 inch roll of packing paper :D  I'd recommend using some type of plastic instead though (maybe a case fan?).

The GX620 has a flip-latch on the expansion slots, which takes the place of screws. That latch is holding the output end in place. As for the rest of the card, the PCIe extender cable is quite stiff and keeps it from vibrating, and gravity does the rest. It's stable with the case vertically or on its side.

The CPU is a 2.2GHz e4500, 65W TDP. Yes, one HDD and one DVD. Thermaltake's PSU calculator reccomends a 288 watt PSU for this setup, and the stock Dell PSU is a 305 watt. Not a ton of power headroom, but it has run fine for months with a 100% GPU load (it's mining a few litecoins).

The GPU runs at 55C steady at 100% use.




Thanks a lot for your input, I will need sometime to digest it - I have to find how to explain easy your way, with PCI extender, to adapt basically any card to this BTX box.
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