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January 28, 2014 10:20:56 AM

so im looking to replace this cpu with a more powerful one for my system since it is currently the bottle neck. however, i am unsure on what one to get and i know if i get the wrong socket, i will have wasted money. i do not know how to tell what my motherboard type is as i lost the box many years ago. i do know that it is an asus republic of gamers motherboard.

im also looking to go as cheap as possible, but get a much better processor. preferably under $150 but i will go as high as $200 if i have to. thank you guys in advance.
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January 28, 2014 10:25:32 AM

Well first we are gonna need to know what your mobo is. Uhhh, HWmonitor or CPU-Z will tell you what it is.

If its an AM3 board you are pretty much out of luck. AM3+ and you could grab a 8320.
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January 28, 2014 11:19:10 AM

mouse24 said:
Well first we are gonna need to know what your mobo is. Uhhh, HWmonitor or CPU-Z will tell you what it is.

If its an AM3 board you are pretty much out of luck. AM3+ and you could grab a 8320.


am3? uhm from what i do know is that it was version 3, i remember a version 4 of the board not sure if that helps. so if i have an AM3 do i also have to replace the ram and graphics cards as well with the cpu?

i can say what board i have when i get home.
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January 28, 2014 11:28:43 AM

Yeah you might have an AM3 or an AM3+ motherboard. If you've got the latter you're in luck, otherwise it's gonna be hard to find a replacement unless you wanna buy used from ebay or something.

Graphics cards will work just fine, RAM you might need to change if you're using DDR2.
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January 28, 2014 11:28:50 AM

AM3 is the processor socket in which your Phenom CPU is made for, once you can run CPU-Z and give us your motherboard information (or just post a screenshot) we will be able to help you find which CPU's are options for you to upgrade too. We will not know for sure which socket type your motherboard has until we get that motherboard information as AM3 CPU's will work with AM3+ motherboards, at this point any suggestions are strictly speculation.

As for your RAM and GPU, you will not need to replace them but you might want to later on down the road after getting a better processor as once you clear one bottleneck another one usually will form unless your running a well optimized system.
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January 28, 2014 12:01:07 PM

killakallies said:
AM3 is the processor socket in which your Phenom CPU is made for, once you can run CPU-Z and give us your motherboard information (or just post a screenshot) we will be able to help you find which CPU's are options for you to upgrade too. We will not know for sure which socket type your motherboard has until we get that motherboard information as AM3 CPU's will work with AM3+ motherboards, at this point any suggestions are strictly speculation.

As for your RAM and GPU, you will not need to replace them but you might want to later on down the road after getting a better processor as once you clear one bottleneck another one usually will form unless your running a well optimized system.


i hope my system is optimized, i was considering getting more ram, but i think a cpu will be more beneficial first to see what happens.

i do know i have 8gb of ram crosair i beleive they are ddr3, and for graphics cards i have 2 AMD Radeon HD 6800 in cross fire mode, both 1gb gddr5 each. i have posted below the system information from another post a few weeks ago.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 12/21/2013, 21:29:04
Machine name: MILKY-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130828-1532)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: BIOS Date: 12/09/10 21:08:39 Ver: 08.00.15
Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 970 Processor (4 CPUs), ~4.0GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8190MB RAM
Page File: 5854MB used, 10524MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode



again thanks for the help guys.
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January 28, 2014 12:03:03 PM

they're pricey but you could get a Phenom x6 1090t or 1100t and overclock them if you don't want to spend money on an AM3+ mobo and fx8320. The Phenom II's IPC is actually better than the FX line
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January 28, 2014 12:07:09 PM

System information you provided is helpful but it doesn't include the motherboard make/model. I'm sure your system will be fine after the CPU upgrade as long as that is the only issue you are currently having.
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January 28, 2014 12:50:23 PM

killakallies said:
System information you provided is helpful but it doesn't include the motherboard make/model. I'm sure your system will be fine after the CPU upgrade as long as that is the only issue you are currently having.


as far as i know there realy isnt any besides maybe flickering i see on my monitor during certian games and certian scenes within games, like its some kind of i beleive its called graphics tearing? where theres a line that will appear across the whole screen. i dont know if its cause of the graphics cards or the monitor. but if its either ill have to open a new forum on that.
oh i do have a self circulating liquid cooling system on this cpu, will i need a new one if i replace the cpu?
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January 28, 2014 12:54:30 PM

WhiteSnake91 said:
they're pricey but you could get a Phenom x6 1090t or 1100t and overclock them if you don't want to spend money on an AM3+ mobo and fx8320. The Phenom II's IPC is actually better than the FX line


i was trying to overclock this particular cpu as well, but i was having all sorts of issues with it making my system very unstable. i did manage to get it up by about .2 hertz, but other than that i couldnt do anything else before it kept killing my pc.
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January 28, 2014 1:34:21 PM

Your water cooling system should still work fine no need to replace it. On a side note about over clocking you should trying using the AMD catalyst software's built in CPU Overdrive utility. Will test different frequencies for you and then let you choose on a slider which of the frequencies it found stable that best work for programs you run and your cooling solution. Note I still recommend running something like Prime95 with small FFT's on the frequency level you choose just to make sure it's stable under heavy load.
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January 28, 2014 1:56:20 PM

killakallies said:
Your water cooling system should still work fine no need to replace it. On a side note about over clocking you should trying using the AMD catalyst software's built in CPU Overdrive utility. Will test different frequencies for you and then let you choose on a slider which of the frequencies it found stable that best work for programs you run and your cooling solution. Note I still recommend running something like Prime95 with small FFT's on the frequency level you choose just to make sure it's stable under heavy load.


i remember using that utility, the overdrive, and the tests it did to find the best frequencies kept crashing the system when it found them. its kind of why im wanting to upgrade.

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January 28, 2014 2:00:33 PM

you need a new motherboard or power supply then. Which is the actual model/name of your motherboard and power supply? I recommend 8 core 8320

in that specs you posted it showed your 970 at 4.0ghz, that's about the best you're going to get out of the Phenom II architecture
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January 28, 2014 2:17:05 PM

It will crash when it gets to an unstable point and then after restarting it should allow you to select any frequency under the point it crashed. That's how it knows when it has reached the max frequency possible without tweaking the BIOS manually. Did it crash on the first frequency it tried?

Even if your system has only an AM3 motherboard it may be possible to upgrade to a Phenom II X6 Black Edition 1100T. While a little spendier than a new CPU it's allot cheaper than buying a new motherboard and power supply to support a new FX series CPU.
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January 28, 2014 4:44:33 PM

For gaming its not really worth it to go with a phenom 2 x6 vs a x6.
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January 28, 2014 5:26:15 PM

Odd I wasn't aware they made a Phenom x6, I thought only the Phenom II came in a six core configuration.
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January 28, 2014 5:35:43 PM

killakallies said:
Odd I wasn't aware they made a Phenom x6, I thought only the Phenom II came in a six core configuration.


Oh that was actually a typo, sorry. I meant x6 vs a x4....
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January 28, 2014 5:41:36 PM




theres the motherboard specs i have.
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January 28, 2014 5:53:04 PM

Your motherboard only supports AM3 processors. Below I have included links to your motherboards compatible processors, a list of Phenom II processors from AMD, and a link to a listing for a Phenom II X6 1100T on ebay. It also appears the FX-8120 does have beta support for your motherboard so you may be able to take that route if you are willing to risk beta BIOS, I have included a link at the very bottom for a listing of one on Ebay. I own an FX8120 and it overclocks like a dream just using the Catalyst Software.

Support page w/ CPU compatibility:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/CROSSHAIR_IV_FORMULA/#...

AMD Phenom II Processor Comparison:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/pheno...

Ebay listing Phenom:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-Black-1100T-3-...

Ebay listing FX8120:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-FX-8120-3-1-GHz-Eight-Core-...
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January 28, 2014 6:03:07 PM

Ouch, 200 bucks... They are just gouging you now. Could spend another maybe 30-40 bucks, grab a cheap i5 (170 ish) + any Z75/Z77/B75/etc (Price depends, generally around 80 bucks for a meh non overclocking board. Miles better performance also.

Feel free to ignore me incase you don't have the money. Just throwing options out there.

Edit: forgot to compensate for needing a mobo with xfire, that will increase the price a bit, sorry.

Edit2: yeah cheapest I could find would be 270, 170 for cpu + 100 for mobo with xfire... Bah, there goes that idea. Could always save up.
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January 28, 2014 6:33:24 PM

mouse24 said:
Ouch, 200 bucks... They are just gouging you now. Could spend another maybe 30-40 bucks, grab a cheap i5 (170 ish) + any Z75/Z77/B75/etc (Price depends, generally around 80 bucks for a meh non overclocking board. Miles better performance also.

Feel free to ignore me incase you don't have the money. Just throwing options out there.

Edit: forgot to compensate for needing a mobo with xfire, that will increase the price a bit, sorry.

Edit2: yeah cheapest I could find would be 270, 170 for cpu + 100 for mobo with xfire... Bah, there goes that idea. Could always save up.


personally i dont like the intel cores, they are always seem to break on me when i play around with games and programs, idk why. that and of the many computers ive put together, the amd ones seem to last longer, least from what people tell me. anyways thanks all, these will help me out alot. ill see what i can do on getting a new 8core.
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January 29, 2014 4:18:38 AM

fx 8320 is about 150, 990fx good board like Gigabyte/Asus is about 120-130
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