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January 28, 2014 11:20:21 AM

I am finishing up my build for a daytrading computer. I am trying to find the best solution for six monitor display (not one large screen), I was recommended to use the EVGA display port hub.

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=200-DP-130...

Then I read this: The Display Port Hub cannot grant additional monitors per card. A GTX 780 Ti, for example, can run a maximum of 4 monitors. With the Hub, you can still only run up to 4 monitors, not 6. The Hub is simply an easier way to port out 3 monitors on a single hub, rather than try to use multiple cable types from the card.

I would like some expert advice. The platform requires 512mb per screen they also mentioned accelerated calculations. Would two GPUs work better or would the EVGA hub be the best solution?
Thank you for you time.

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January 28, 2014 11:36:16 AM

You can get workstation GPUs designed specifically for multiple monitor use. What the display port hub is saying is that if you only have 1 display port out on your gpu, but you have 4 monitors with display port, you can plug the hub into the one display port to provide 4 display port connections to plug your monitors into. The limiting factor is how many monitors the GPU can support, so if your GPU only supports 3 monitors, then 3 of those 4 connected monitors will work and none of the other connections on the GPU will provide an image.

Also, since each screen requires 512mg of VRAM, then you would need either: A) 1 video card supporting 6 monitors with 3gb of VRAM or B) multiple GPUs that can support a total of 6 monitors and 3gb of VRAM.
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January 28, 2014 11:52:42 AM

DBell02 said:
Thank you... I think this one can handle six total monitors

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Is it a better solution then 2 GPU cards


That GPU cannot support 6 monitors. Manufacturer's website shows 4 being the maximum provided. The programs you're running, are they rendering/modeling/graphics applications? Because there is a big difference between a gaming GPU (the one you linked) and a workstation GPU.

Also, do you have something against two cards? Depending on your answer to the previous question, sometimes two cards is better than one single.
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January 28, 2014 11:57:51 AM

I will be running 10-12 charts (java based) 10-12 hrs day. I contacted the software tech for thinkorswim and he mentioned the platform uses GPU accelerated calculations and it preforms GPGPU. He advised I quote “Gaming card with 3d graphical rendering. If using multiple monitors, 512 mb of dedicated memory per monitor. 16 gb of ram is enough.. more emphasis on processing.”

1-2-3 GPUs makes no difference to me. I just want zero lag and stability
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January 28, 2014 12:18:50 PM

I hope there is another way.. That price tag is more then my rig haha they are asking $3,000-$4,000 for that card
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January 28, 2014 12:23:50 PM

You don't want the one deauterateddog posted. Firstly, it's around 3,500$. Secondly if your tech said a gaming GPU would work for what you're running then you should be able to get by with a gaming GPU. Give me a couple minutes and i'll try to find a decent one for you.

What's your budget, which motherboard do you have, and how many watts is your power supply?
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January 28, 2014 12:31:43 PM

There is nothing wrong with running multiple cards, I've done it many times (driving multiple monitors with video on them, not charts). Your software probably won't make use of both of the GPU for accelerated calculations though (but you can check with the software vendor to be sure).
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January 28, 2014 1:11:07 PM

Sorry for the wait. If you want performance, as noted by the software tech, i'd suggest an r9 280x or even a 290x for blazing speed. And the first GPU you linked would work with an MST hub, the evga product you linked first, as long as 3 of your monitors used display port and the other two used HDMI and DVI.

Sorry about saying it wouldn't at first, was unclear whether the r9 series could support more than 4 monitors (as stated on gigabytes website for max allowed) with a MST.

Simply put, r9 270x w/ 4gb vram or r9 280x w/ 4gb vram or r9 290x w/ 4gb vram + EVGA MST hub you first linked = 6 monitors supported. Choose the GPU depending on price limit and how much processing power you want.

Also, AMD is a must for this setup, it's architecture is better suited for general purpose GPUs (GPGPU) over Nvidia who tends to be more CUDA specific.
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January 28, 2014 1:18:49 PM

It does support 6 with a hub. Going with 2 lower cards would be cheaper. This is for daytrading, so the gpu power isn't need. You can get 2gb gt 640 for $60 each. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C0RCQIU/
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January 28, 2014 1:27:44 PM

DBell02 said:
I will be running 10-12 charts (java based) 10-12 hrs day. I contacted the software tech for thinkorswim and he mentioned the platform uses GPU accelerated calculations and it preforms GPGPU. He advised I quote “Gaming card with 3d graphical rendering. If using multiple monitors, 512 mb of dedicated memory per monitor. 16 gb of ram is enough.. more emphasis on processing.”

1-2-3 GPUs makes no difference to me. I just want zero lag and stability


I would SERIOUSLY question that tech. 512MB per monitor, for 2D charting??? haha! that's an LOL OMG WTF kind of a requirement.

if the charts are actually weird 3D charts, then you're gonna spend a ton of money just to do this. and really if you plan on displaying (like you said) 10-12 charts, and they really ARE complex 3D charts, then I wonder how fast YOU can actually process the data and make a buy/sell/hold/wait decision.

what have you been daytrading on thus far? how many charts at a time, and have you noticed your own ability to process that much info get strained or do you still have adequate mental bandwidth to analyze another 3-4 charts?

if you haven't daytraded much yet, and you plan on diving in with 10-12 charts, you're gonna fail. it's analysis-paralysis.

if you have daytraded for a while, then presumably you've made a decent profit and the price of the hardware is irrelevant. run dual computers or an LGA2011 with triple cards (2 monitors each) and call it a day. if you're good enough, you can have the setup paid off within 5 decent trades.

if you have daytraded for a while but the cost of the setup is "too expensive", then you're not gonna be any more successful by having another 8 charts staring you in the face.

what's your chart time resolution? 1min candles? 5min candles? that's how much time you have to make a decision on your position.

I trade forex across 8 screens, 6 of which have charts (2D) with 2minute candles, and one has my buy/sell controls and last screen is a newsfeed. going double on the charts would be a bit excessive with 2D charts, and ridiculous with 3D charts.
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January 28, 2014 1:56:10 PM

Currently I am using a late 2009 imac i5 with another 24 inch monitor. When the market heats up around 9am est the charts tend to lag and my mouse beings to delay when hovering over charts trend lines etc. it has become worse since I updated to mt lion due to Thinkorswim upgrading java. Yes the charts are 2D I am sure you have seen thinkorswim charts before if you trade, I am merely regurgitating the comments of the tech. I am not adding any more charts just tired of not having them up needing to dig for them. I really don't want to bore the people helping me with my trading strategy just trying to find suitable solution to my need. And lastly true traders talk about gains in percentages not dollar amounts. To say If I can't afford something or it's "too expensive" then I'm not a true day trade is comical to me. I have been trading for over 5 years but I appreciate your concern. Just looking for advice on my rig not on my trading career.

Thefox I appreciate the breakdown I will look into those setups and get back to you.

I appreciate everyone's input.
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January 28, 2014 2:04:09 PM

"if you're good enough, you can have the setup paid off within 5 decent trades." This makes no sense coming for a "day trade" I could scalp so it's more then 5 trades.i could swing trade etc... I don't recall mentioning my strategy or my funds allocated per trade so you would have noway of knowing what 5 trades do and that's assuming you are profitable every trade haha, but if you have input that would aid in my decision that I would appreciate.
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January 28, 2014 2:09:11 PM

if the lag is mostly at 9a EST when the markets open (well, that should be 9:30am but we can be fuzzy here) but they're OK otherwise, it might be related to the servers themselves and the sheer amount of traffic on the network, so having more GPU power on your end might have no effect at all. if the charts ALWAYS lag, then yeah you may need some hardware upgrades. but if it's only during market open / market close, then you likely can't do much about that.

does your mac have a task monitor so that you can see how much resources your system is using during those hours and during the quieter lunch hour, or during times when you don't see annoying lags?

but if you really want to have 512meg per monitor with 6 screens, then maybe dual GT640-2GB cards are a simple solution (as long as your mobo can/will let them run at 8x/8x and not 16x/4x). the Asus cards (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...) can run 4 screens each, so you have room to expand.

(I don't use thinkorswim, I use a different broker and never see lags, but then again forex is a bit different)
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January 28, 2014 2:28:04 PM

LAG is not the right word, my mouse is less responsive during peak outs causing my mouse to lag. The one GPU is 4gb so in theory with the evga hub it should power each monitor enough unless I'm missing something.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The iMac uses little CPU and ram during all times of the market. I think it's just a weak GPU

I trade the futures so Between 8-9 the market heats up for the gap fill play and the lunch hour is referred to as the daily doldrums ;) 
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January 28, 2014 3:47:18 PM

Again, THAT specific card doesn't support 6 monitors, only 4. The EVGA hub doesn't magically support 2 extra monitors. You even clarified so yourself way at the top of this thread.

If you trust the TOS tech, ask him which specific card is supported to drive 6 screens with the charts you intend on running, since the tech is already indicating you need at least 512MB per screen anyways....
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January 28, 2014 3:53:10 PM

Thefoxer posted this a few post up "Simply put, r9 270x w/ 4gb vram or r9 280x w/ 4gb vram or r9 290x w/ 4gb vram + EVGA MST hub you first linked = 6 monitors supported. Choose the GPU depending on price limit and how much processing power you want."
The evga supports 3 the use the hdmi and the DVI... Unless I'm reading foxs post wrong

I posted this earlier mentioning the r9x models do support 6 monitors.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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January 28, 2014 3:54:20 PM

So 3 monitors on the evga hub 1 on hdmi and 1 on DVI. Correct?
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January 28, 2014 5:00:19 PM

i'm not sure why you are insisting that the Gigabyte R9 270X can run 6 monitors if Gigabyte themselves say it only supports 4. and the EVGA hub as you've pointed out doesn't add monitors but only makes it easier to connect what the card itself supports.

if you insist on taking the R9 270X plus hub gamble, then go for it. it'll cost you around $400 by the looks of it, or more depending on if you need DP-to-DVI adapters and what kind. so this might hit $500. maybe some other manufacturer's card actually does support 6 monitors using the R9 270X chipset, I don't know.

or you can go for something that's less of a gamble, one card that the manufacturer says DOES support 6 monitors, and then add that hub plus adapters etc. this might put you into 280x or 290 territory, or you might go to NVidia.

or you can go for the sure thing, which is to run dual cards, which is cheaper, easier, blah blah blah, but your mobo should support 8x/8x and the software should know which GPU to use for the funky processing. if it does, then you're looking at around $200.

plus taxes & shipping & whatever else.


on a side note, I find it very odd that you even need to step up to this level of card for that trading platform. I made do with a special 4-output GT610 and a 2-output 9400GT to run 6 screens for about a year with no hangups or glitches or unresponsiveness. mind you, that wasn't a Mac but an AMD system I built 1.5 years ago, so a good few years newer than your Mac. but still, charts shouldn't require any wild rendering, so... yeah. kinda weird that the need is for such a high-caliber card for something so seemingly simple. just out of curiosity, what graphics card are you currently using?
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January 28, 2014 5:40:26 PM

Giantbuck I appreciate all your explanation this is all new to me. I have no problem using 2 cards, I was advised to use the one card. If 2 cards is stable and will work then I will 100% go with that. But I'm not sure what this means "but your mobo should support 8x/8x and the software should know which GPU to use for the funky processing." I still haven't purchased any parts for my computer yet I do have a PC picker list though.. As far as the imac I was researching and it said a Radeon 512mb GPU which was trying to deal with 2 screens 8-10 charts and windows parallels which I was running for my other trading software. I don't care about i5 i7 i50 I just want a computer that will last awhile stable and will give me the best chance to remove all the mouse lag/delay.
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January 28, 2014 5:42:51 PM

I do think AMD cards are best for what I need
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January 28, 2014 5:48:38 PM

This is my tentative setup of you have time to look it over...thank you

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Video Card: ??????
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DVD-E818AAT/BLK/B/GEN DVD/CD Drive
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit)
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January 28, 2014 6:10:13 PM

aah, I thought you were going to plug the new graphics card into your old Mac (hey, I don't use Macs, so no idea if that was even possible). if you're doing a whole new build then my bad.

as to the one-card or two-cards thing, my personal forex setup is: i5-3570k / asrock z77 extreme3 mobo / one gt610 / two gt640s / 8 screens / win8.1 / java-based trading platform / wd black 2.5" OS drive. so, i'm currently running 8 screens using 3 cards (plus CPU's own graphics capability) and it's perfectly stable. so, I can say that it is possible to have 2 cards without issues. in theory, my setup has output capability to run up to 12 monitors, but currently with 8 i'm quite happy. I only run one chart per monitor though (6 charts), and my CPU and GPU loads are very low, like 10% or less. never had mouse lags/delays. once I log into my forex platform, I expect it to stay online and working for 120 hours straight (Sun 5pm until Fri 5pm), which it does.

as to mobo running 8x/8x instead of 16x/4x, i'm talking about the PCIe slots into which your graphics cards go. since you're going to be running similar content across many screens, it would make sense that - if you are going to use dual cards - that each is running at a similar bandwidth, rather than one running at a much lower bandwidth. with most current processors, they can only support 16 PCIe lanes, so you can do one card at 16x or two cards at 8x each (hence 8x/8x). some motherboards use a 4x graphics card slot that's controlled by another chipset separate from the CPU, so in those cases you get 16x/4x (16 from CPU, 4 from other), which is fine for some things but may not be ideal in your case.

LGA2011 on the other hand can handle 40 PCIe lanes (instead of 16), so if you run two cards then each can run at the full 16x bandwidth. but the CPU and motherboards are $$$, and you lose onboard graphics capability (which is fine if you're at this level anyways). the AMD AM3+ CPU with 990FX chipset does the same thing for less money (no onboard graphics, 40 PCIe lanes). this AMD solution is a fair bit cheaper.

(( I actually had the AMD build for about 3 weeks but ditched it cuz while it worked great for trading, it sucked for playing a movie spanned across 6 screens and my machine is kinda dual-purpose. I had the Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 board, FX-6350 processor, and dual Asus HD7790 1GB cards, each running 3 screens so had to disable crossfire ))

as to the "software knows funky processing" bit, it's just a note to check if the trading platform will use both GPUs for whatever processing it needs to do IF you use dual graphics cards (or if it'll only use the first card for processing, but then send the results to both cards to output to all your monitors). that might be a question for the ThinkOrSwim tech guy. I notice that on my 3-card setup, the first card tends to get loaded a bit more than #2 or #3 even if the content spans across the other cards too.
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January 28, 2014 6:30:58 PM

I meant AMD for the graphics cards.. But to be perfectly honest it might make sense to go AMD all the way, I won't be doing ANYTHING else on this computer besides trading.. The imac will be my computer.. This is 100% a day trading rig. That being said I will start to research AMD for the best items. As long as AMD is stable for trading I'm happy. Any input on parts would be appreciated. I will start to "build" one later tonight. It's seems the price is a big difference and seeing how I will only trade if it's significantly cheaper why not.
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January 28, 2014 6:31:37 PM

I will also message thinkorswim regarding the GPU
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January 29, 2014 7:50:24 AM

Hey Giantbucket I got a response from the tech guys at thinkorswim

My QA with thinkorswim tech:

Does the trading platform use both GPUs for whatever processing it needs to do IF you use dual graphics cards (or if it'll only use the first card for processing, but then send the results to both cards to output to all your monitors
RIV409: Yes, the benifit with multi gpu will be greatly felt when you have multi monitors. You would want to build your computer twards a gaming pc. Even if you do not game.

Does TOS use multithread task?
10:38 RIV409: Yes, we have codes that we can put in the vmoptions folder to take advantage of this.
10:39 RIV409: when you have your new computer. Please give us a call and we can add them for you.

okay and How many cores?
RIV409: dual core and soon quad

Having read that how do i obtain multithreading? with the i7-4770?
And i will for sure go with dual GPUs

Any thoughts will be appreciated...
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January 29, 2014 11:57:14 AM

it sounds like they (TOS) are writing specific code for specific hardware, so might be best to bounce things off of them. it surely sounds like an i5 would be sufficient, but maybe their specific code would work better on an FX-series processor. it might be best to ask TOS what hardware they use to test their code, and use that for your own build (be it i5 or FX series, and nVid or AMD), and specifically which level of card (ie what's the lowest card that would work, a GT620 or 660, an HD7750 or 7850)

they might come back and say that their code seems to work best with an AMD processor and nVid graphics cards - so if you build an i5 with AMD GPU, you'll be doing the total opposite :p 
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January 30, 2014 7:51:25 AM

Hey giantbucket this is what TOS told me for power users

Processor Multi-core processor 2.5GHz or better

Ram 4GB Windows 7 / 2GB XP (Widows 8.1 can be used)

Video: DirectX 11 graphics card with 512mb or better and an additional 256mb per additional monitor: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT256 or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro 256MB for Vista) or greater

HD Free Space 1GB

Display Resolution 1024 x 768

Internet: 3mbps or faster broadband connection with 100ms ping or better

Its funny i couldn't find much info when i googled those video card recommendations.
Thanks again
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January 30, 2014 7:51:45 AM

he mentioned go with the i7
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January 30, 2014 8:03:17 AM

haha! wow, those are quite different than what originally was indicated. quite low specs, which is more in line with what I would expect. and not surprisingly more emphasis on the processor than the graphics cards, since not only does it have to do at least some of the indicator calculations, it also has to manage your separate monitors.

I guess you can do just about any build using an i7 and be quite good. so, you want to run dual cards, or one card? easier to run duals at least as far as the connections go (all DVI/HDMI/VGA). but if you have DisplayPort inputs on all your monitors, then it's really easy with just one card (VisionTek makes a 7870 Eyefinity 6-output card for this)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

if you want, you can replicate my i5 setup (way up above) and just swap in an i7 and be done.
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January 30, 2014 8:15:24 AM

sorry i didnt see you previous post
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January 30, 2014 8:20:13 AM

so this set up?
i7-4770k / asrock z77 extreme3 mobo / one gt610 / two gt640s / 8 screens / win8.1 / java-based trading platform / wd black 2.5" OS drive. so,
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January 30, 2014 8:21:29 AM

I think I will stick with the dual GPU setup instead on the one GPU
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January 30, 2014 8:51:06 AM

well, you don't need as many cards as I have :p  but yeah, a GT640-2G will be fine. I personally like the Asus one since it has 2 DVI, 1 HDMI, and 1 VGA, so there's no DisplayPort converters ever needed - they're just basic common monitor interfaces (and HDMI converts to DVI with just a cable)

you could do the GTX660s if you want as well.

oops - the i7-4xxx won't work with a Z77 board. you could use an i7-3xxx processor with it, or use a Z87 Extreme3 board if you want i7-4xxx processor. here's a sampling of ASRock boards for an i7-4770K that let you run dual graphics cards as 8x/8x

Click here, it's a long link
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January 30, 2014 9:21:38 AM

After all said and done this is the setup I'm going with unless you have any other changes.. the GPUs are 2 of these Asus GTX650ti and no converters ;) 

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($294.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($121.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card (Quantity 2)($139.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Cougar Vortex PWM 70.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($13.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DVD-E818AAT/BLK/B/GEN DVD/CD Drive ($21.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer G246HLAbd 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer G246HLAbd 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer G246HLAbd 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer G246HLAbd 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer G246HLAbd 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard ($10.29 @ B&H)
Mouse: Kensington K64325 Wired Trackball ($85.99 @ Staples)
Other: 6 monitor stand ($109.00)

you have been very helpful i don't even know which "Pick a solution" to pick haha
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January 30, 2014 12:59:42 PM

i assume you already have one such monitor cuz you only list 5, but yeah that looks like a very good build (overkill, but it's yours to be happy with!)

ok, the ONLY THING that I would change is the processor - if you're gonna go for an i7 and a Z87 board, at least get the 4770K version for an extra $40 or so.

oh, and maybe add a 22-24" touchscreen and run that from the onboard graphics. I use the touch to host all of my BUY/SELL control buttons. a nice alternative to holding an idiotic mouse constantly. plus I work better when I stand, so the touch makes even more sense for me.
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January 31, 2014 7:05:54 AM

I think I'm going to upgrade to the k and look into the touch screen, that's interesting I use a trackball a lot quicker then a mouse
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January 31, 2014 8:19:32 AM

Ya, I prefer trackballs too but the only one I found comfy was the Logitech that uses the thumb to control the ball. I might buy one again (my last one started glitching too much so I recycled it).

Anyhoo, have fun building and trading! See ya at the Porsche dealership!
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January 31, 2014 11:52:01 AM

I love the Kingston trackball maybe try that one. Heading to test drive one now!
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January 31, 2014 1:27:11 PM

One more thing. Sombody I know (semi tech savy) said the 750 power supply might not be enough because I have 2 GPUs? What are your thoughts?
Thanks
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January 31, 2014 1:40:39 PM

the GTX660 would only take around 150W each, so with two of them you're at 300W, plus around 85W for your i7-4770K, plus around 50W for mobo/ram/other junk, and maybe 10W for a HDD (5W for SSD). so, um, 300+85+50+10 puts you at 450W or so, add 20% for PSU inefficiency and you're at 540W or so. even if you OC your processor to double its power use, that puts you at 650W or thereabout, so a 750W is perfectly good.

I use a 550W for my i5/gt610/gt640/gt640/5HDD setup, but I don't OC.
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January 31, 2014 1:42:33 PM

Thanks your the best.
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February 5, 2014 3:11:14 PM

Hey giantbucket, so my parts are almost all in. I have been reading about installing drivers etc. Shohld I update mob bios first some people say just leave it alone? If I don't update the bios do I still need to install the asus disk?
For the GPU should I use the disk or get the drivers from website usb and load it that way...
Thanks again.. This is my first build and I'm not sure the process for all the loading etc...
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February 5, 2014 3:25:03 PM

mobo bios - I don't bother changing it unless i'm 3-4 versions behind and I have at least half a reason to do an update

I don't typically use the CD media that's included anymore - as long as Windows has the network driver on its own I get the latest drivers online. in Win8, I didn't need the CD. in Win7, I did need it just to install the network drivers, but everything else I got online from Gigabyte/AMD/etc.

the ONLY thing I had to manually find and install was my mobo's Intel Smart Connect drivers. it took a whopping 5 minutes to figure out what I needed, download it, and install it.

one suggestion - if you have a spare hard drive (and you should, ideally an external one), then as soon as you do your initial OS install and activate Windows and load the drivers and do basic Windows updates - grab a system image and save it on your spare hard drive. this way if you EVER need to go back to a clean slate, you can just restore that system image and save a lot of install work.

also - make sure that the system restore points feature is turned ON. it usually is, but for some reason I once came across a Win8.1 install that had it turned OFF. the restore points are VERY handy if you just need to undo one or two recent installs.

Google search can likely bring up a few guides with pics to show these things.
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February 5, 2014 3:30:48 PM

Thanks for the input, I will go directly to the websites and download the drives. I'm installing 8.1 so it should have the network driver so get me on the web. Yea I hard with the mob bios if it's not broke don't fix it. It doesn't make the PC preform better
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