Do I build this, or just go buy an Alienware X51?

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Hi all –

Skip to the end if you just want to get to the build, if however you like long introductory rambling, read on.

I'm looking to build what I consider to be a "reasonable" gaming machine - which is to say, it should be able to run all current games on "high" while maintaining acceptable / playable FPS if you push some things to ultra....but don't get carried away. It should also provide reasonable assurance that this level of "playability" can be sustained through the next generation of games, say, 1-3 years - understanding of course that by year three...it may be fielding more "medium-high " settings and fewer "high-ultra" settings. In short – it doesn’t need to be a monster, but I’d like it to have teeth – I’d also like to build it for $1200 ;-)

I’ve built machines several times before, but typically I’ve just asked the guy behind the counter to give me parts - sort of a “It needs to be a good computer, what do you suggest” build – and I’ve never really built something with gaming as the primary purpose. So, my options are to build or buy, and the Alienware X51 seemed ok to me, with my X51 config coming in at $1,249. Still, I’ve been cobbling together my own computers since my first Compaq Presario 400Mhz “internet PC” died a slow and painful death, and I figured it was worth taking a crack ant building my own gaming PC – here is what I’ve come up with:

“Allan’s almost awesome gaming PC”

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor

Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (there are less expensive ASUS boards, but several recent reviews suggest more than a few common issues with them – everything from bad drivers to funky USB ports. This one and the Z87 Pro however are universally highly rated with something like 70%+ in 5 eggs, 5 stars or whatever the rating mechanism is – I decided to go with this one because its the same price as the PRO right now, ……and red. Also, I wont use an MSI board probably ever again, pretty set on using ASUS –never an issue to date.

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (CAS:7, Timing: 7-8-8-24

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Video Card: EVGA Superclocked GeForce GTX 760 2GB w/ACX cooler

Case: Apevia X-CRUISER3-GN ATX Mid Tower Case

Power Supply: SeaSonic G-750 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (32-bit)

Total: $1205.23, including shipping, taxes, etc.

And some data you might need:

Do I plan to overclock? - Not really – I have in the past, but only using the onboard tools (typically form ASUS) and I don’t try push the envelope. Eventually I did overclock my current chip – I forget what it actually is, but with the ASUS tools from the MOBO, it thinks it’s an AMD Phenom II X4 B55 (3 cores unlocked, 4 is unstable) running at 3.72GHz. – and yes, my PC is that old. Currently paired up with a Nvidia 9800 GT

What games do I play: None – I have kids – HA! ….ok….while that is true, I USED to play FPS, strategy games, I like Skyrim and MMORPGs here and there. I’m not up on what new out there, but first-person shooters where I get to kill things for looking at me funny tend to be something I’ll look at.


So, do I build it, or by the Alienware machine? Anything I’m missing, keeping the $1200 target in mind.


Thanks all -

Allan
 

jaykimf

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It depends on you. Would you consider building it yourself to be a chore or to be fun? How much extra would you be willing to pay for the convenience of having it built for you? Are you satisfied with the components in the Alienware? Is the Alienware warranty worth anything to you? Are you satisfied that you'll be able to upgrade the alienware in the future? Are you confident in the reliability of the Alienware? I'm sure the majority consensus here at Toms would be to build it yourself. In my case I've never been able to afford the luxury of building my own. I've had to resort to browsing dell outlet searching for scratch and dent models and waiting for the 30% off coupons. I'm very satisfied with the unbeatable deals I have gotten there. (I'm sure that in 10 seconds I could make that scratch disappear with a black sharpie, but 2 years later I haven't bothered yet.)
 

Treozen

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All fair points for sure. I've sort of got over the "fun" of building - its ok, and as for the convenience fee- given my schedule, I'd be willing to pay a bit here or there to have someone else do it. On the other hand, the components used by Alienware are probably good, but I'd bet the ones I picked myself are better, and same applies to expandability - more options down the road with my own build. I don’t know much about Alienware reliability - so I do like the warranty - still, most individual parts come with some sort of warranty too - so the difference might be dealing with multiple warranties, instead of universal coverage from a single warranty.

I think the biggest thing for me is that, while I’m pretty sure I can build a more powerful, expandable machine for the same price, I don’t have near the presumed knowledge that Alienware does. That suggests to me that while my individual parts are technically “superior” it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll play nice together, or optimally – that’s something I feel Alienware likely has down to a science. So – that’s sort of the remaining point of debate for me.
 

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If you want to see a horror story about what happens when parts don't play together nicely, check out Tom's system builder marathon 2013 Q1 story. On the other hand you could duplicate a system that somebody else has already built and which works well. Anyway I don't see anything wrong with what you have posted above. Others might suggest changes that might save you a little money or give slightly better performance but your build should work fine I think.
 

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Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (there are less expensive ASUS boards, but several recent reviews suggest more than a few common issues with them – everything from bad drivers to funky USB ports. This one and the Z87 Pro however are universally highly rated with something like 70%+ in 5 eggs, 5 stars or whatever the rating mechanism is – I decided to go with this one because its the same price as the PRO right now, ……and red. Also, I wont use an MSI board probably ever again, pretty set on using ASUS –never an issue to date.

And that's why store reviews are almost never to be taken seriously. Take store reviews with large grains of salt. Studies have shown time and time again that people are more likely to leave negative reviews than positive ones, and the truly accurate reviews are nowhere to be found. You can't go into detail on a product like they do in Hardware Secrets or Jonnyguru, in a 3000 word Newegg review. It just doesn't happen, and a lot of misinformation about products and manufacturers gets spread far and wide this way.

Alienware is basically a glorified Dell sub brand, they're very overrated and not taken seriously among serious gamers. And for your rig - Apevia cases are complete trash and you can definitely get a better video card for that budget. Here's what you should do for $1200:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($63.14 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($347.28 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($23.14 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit - OEM (64-bit) ($99.98 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1232.48
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-29 15:01 EST-0500)

That will be a much better rig with a much better case.
 

Treozen

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Ok - thanks for the suggestions - I few things here conflict with what I thought I understood, so, Ive got a few follow-up questions:

1 - CPU cooler - I've never used one other than the one that comes with the chip, never seemed to need anything extra - I've read several suggestions that the cooler is only necessary if you plan to overclock to a serious degree - what are your thoughts here? - better to have it, than not? Its inexpensive enough.

2 - I'm not a believer in the SSD - or better stated, I'm not convinced the price versus performance increase "value equation" is there yet (for me). I have no problem whatsoever waiting a little longer for a level to load, and from everything I’ve read, FPS is virtually unaffected as is overall gameplay in any material way (assuming you shut off or don’t have several background programs running). Is there an aspect to the SSD I’m missing / have misunderstood, or is this suggestion based on typical higher-end gaming builds where the SSD tends to be included.

3 – Case: Aside from the fact that the case you picked appears to have been designed by the IRS………can you go into more detail on its advantages? I’ll be honest – I picked the Apevia case based on its 5 included fans, fan location, size and how the thing looks visually – to me it’s a box with 2 basic functions – hold stuff together, keep stuff cool – I didn’t spend much time looking at specific specifications other than dimensions, ATX-compliant, sufficient bays and number / type of onboard fans and fan expansion capability.

4 – Operating system – I’ve yet to come across a thumbs-up to windows 8 versus Windows 7 on anything that’s not a touch screen. What was your rational here? – I also use windows 7 now, and so I’m also familiar with it.

5 –Graphics Card: I seriously went back and forth between the GTX 770 and 760, about a million times. I settled on the 760 largely because it seemed capable of tackling all current games to a high, if not ultra, level – I even watched some side-by-side youtube videos where the frame rates were compared simultaneously – 770 is clearly better, but the margins didn’t seem that wide. Is your theory here that the 770 gives me more “room” to keep up with emerging games over the next few years? – where the 760 will start to lag, the 770 will keep up better? – that was my theory anyway, but went with 760 to be closer to budget.
 

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I got a new PC with windows 8.1 just before Christmas. For the first few days there was a lot of swearing and cussing as I tried to figure it out. I had also ordered a SSD to put in it, but by the time the SSD arrived I realized that the new Pc with 8.1 was so much faster than my old Pc with windows 7, that I went ahead and put the SSD in the old computer that my son uses. He says start up and load times are a lot faster. You may not want to pay for A SSD to speed things up but from my experience 8.1 is way faster.

As for the 760 vs. 770 , I'd be inclined to stick with the 760-- but that's because my gaming needs are very modest and the 760 is plenty good for what I do. Which is better for you depends on you. And you can be sure that in 3 or 4 years the 770 will be only slightly less obsolete than the 660 . I think.
 

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Hi all, I am new here. I was contemplating this question recently and I ended up with the Alienware X51. For the glorious shame of it. :) But I am a modest gamer and I can't strafe and point my gun in the right direction half the time so framerate could be lost on me.

This blog post from Singapore (http://wp.me/p4kB0n-1j), where I am from, has the cost relevant cost breakdown and it works out. I guess in some parts of the world where the individual components are cheaper and returns/RMAs for individual components are easier and less painful, building would be nice. Today, I only build PCs out of used parts, which means that I can keep costs really low.