Really thought this rig could handle metro last light better...

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Good day,

I've recently made a new build, but i seem to be encountering some wierd problems
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Intel Core i5-4670K
MSI H87M-E33
8gb ram
PSU Seasonic S12II-620 620W
ASUS GTX760-DC2OC-2GD5 2048MB

I have seen people with the same cpu on youtube benchmarking this gpu and on 1920x1080 resolution with maximum settings. At most stressful parts they were still getting 30 around fps. I, on the other hand am playing on 1280x1024 resolution and with everything at max (minus the motion blur) i can only get about 26 fps, and that's at not very demanding scenes. Ican only get playable fps if i turn off ssao completely. Why is that? Imena i am playing at considerably lower res, so why cant i get better. or at least the same fps as people playing it on 1080p?

Thank you in advance
 
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Yes, the manufacturer would have thought of that for sure, that's why they added these holes there, so install at least 1 fan there and check monitor your temperatures again.

As for controlling the fans in BIOS, every motherboard has it's own menu so i don't think i am able to help you with that. If you get into the BIOS and find where you can control your fans, try increasing the fan on the case for about maybe 30-40%. I can not tell you for sure what percentage to choose, you will have to find that yourself through experimenting and seeings whats best for your situation, just don't over do it.

Get a front fan, it will give your pc a lot of breath, and if u don't mind the noise that much get a fast one.
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How many fps do you have with SSAO off? Keep in mind that SSAO is quite demanding, the videos you are refering to, do they have it enabled? Also do they have indeed everything maxed like you?

Also, do you have vsync on? Because if you have it on and u have around lets say 50 fps, vsync would drag you down to 30.
 
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This may sound idiotic but i know that without ssao i get around 70 fps. The only reason that makes me think that mabye one of the components are underperforming, is that some people seems to get better fps with higher res and ssao on.

@ "Someone Somewhere" First of all i'd like to say that username of yours made my day. And second i have nvidia card so amd drivers dont really apply :)

 
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I doubt that anyone in these videos has SSAO turned on, that is why u have so low fps. Keep SSAO off and enjoy your game. And i bet that u wont even notice that much of difference with it turned off (if u actually notice any difference at all).
 
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Well i had i hunch that it might turn out this way and even though we can't be 100% sure that they are playing without ssao it is most probable scenario. At any rate, its not like didn't receive a considerable boost from the time i played metro on my old build - then i had gtx 550 ti and amd athlon x4 2.80ghz and could barely squeeze out 35 fps on the surface with normal/low settings :)

Thanks anyways mate, mabye you could help with my mobo temp concern as well?
 
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If i was recording a video for youtube using FRAPS or any similar program i would have SSAO and all other power hungry technologies off, just so i can have some more fps to record. If i was using a capture card then probably i wouldn't mind, as long ofc as i get 60 or so fps. So having SSAO off is probably the case.

What's the problem with your mobo?
 
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Well its the strangest thing: it idle's at 50-52 C (which i consider to be the main problem) and strangely enough, when i put some load on computer, while testing metro last light for example, its temperature drops to something in between 40-46 C. So now i find myself at the same time worried and intrigued.
 
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I can assume that the reason the temperatures drop while playing is because both CPU and GPU get higher temps making the machine to run the fans on the case (that are connected directly to motherboard) at higher speeds cooling down motherboard as well.

Your temperatures while idle are bad, what case do you have and how is your system cooling?
 
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Well, i have atx 6236 case, and besides the cpu and double gpu fans i only have a fan on the back of the case sucking the hot air out. Dammit is my mobo in danger? I really dont hav e the extra cash to get a new case...

P.S. When i think about it i had pretty much the same mobo temp with my last build (which was in the same case) and it worked flawlessly up until now, or, in other words for about a year and four months. Is this temp really that bad? Mabye its only a bit overboard but nothing to worry about? I realize i sound desperate but ill need this computer for graphic design classes that start next month so im really worried.
 
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Don't get a new case, try adding more fans in it. I see that your case supports a total of 4 fans. For the moment add at least 1 more fan in the front and if u can afford add the other 2 later on. Also, it would be good to change the stock fan with something better at some point.

One more think, is you pc near a hot surface? Like a radiator or something?
 
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Hm, were can i connect the fans? I mean the only other went like surfaces i found was on the right side(but then it would blow right into the cpu fan) and on the front of the case, but how will the air go in if the front is completely sealed, no way for air to get in. As for the heat source, yes there is a radiator about 80cm slantwise, but there probably aren't another place right now to put the table and with it the pc...
 
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If you put a fan on the right side you will put it as an exhaust, not as intake, intake will be the fan on the front, and there has to be a way to get air through the front, maybe you can unseal it? If they have a slot for a fan in the front (which every case has one) then there is a way to get air through the front.
 
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Well, on the side of the front there seems to be some kind of holes which i never seen the use for before. You should see them on left side in this picture http://www.super.lt/qori-atx-6236-a11-usbaudio-metalblack-atx-400w-12cmsilent-v203-p4-pfc-ce-psu/p71818 . By the way mabye i could somehow increase the spped of cpu fan to similiar speed when the cpu is under load, thus cooling the board? Because sound wise its pretty much the same. And how bad is 50 c for an idling board exactly? Does it shortens its overall lifetime or even poses a risk of frying mobo entirely?

By the way, my room temp is 19 C.
 
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Yes i can see the wholes you are referring to. You can increase the speed of both cpu (though this is not necessary at all) and the fan on the case (as long as the fan is directly connected to motherboard and not PSU) by accessing the BIOS of your motherboard, finding where are the fan controls and change them to your liking. I was about to tell you to use SpeedFan but i noticed that they don't have your motherboard in the list of supported motherboards so it probably wont work.

If you decide to do that, be careful with what you are changing, and personally i wouldn't mess with the CPU fan control(especially if u don't have any issues with the CPU), let it work as it does right now.
 
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Dammit, and here i was thinking that i was finally in the clear.So you're saying i definitely need a at least one or two fans to save my mobo? Is it possible to attach the fan on the front of this case and have it suck the air in through those holes in the front of the case? And as for controlling fans in the bios, any tips?
 
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Yes, the manufacturer would have thought of that for sure, that's why they added these holes there, so install at least 1 fan there and check monitor your temperatures again.

As for controlling the fans in BIOS, every motherboard has it's own menu so i don't think i am able to help you with that. If you get into the BIOS and find where you can control your fans, try increasing the fan on the case for about maybe 30-40%. I can not tell you for sure what percentage to choose, you will have to find that yourself through experimenting and seeings whats best for your situation, just don't over do it.

Get a front fan, it will give your pc a lot of breath, and if u don't mind the noise that much get a fast one.
 
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