Im looking to upgrade graphics cards any ideas

lucid_gamer · Feb 5, 2014

i need a pci express 2.0 slot card that is powerful at a good price
my board is
MSI 990FXA-GD80 V2 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

Give me how much you are willing to spend? I recently went on a hunt for my new GPU so I know a lot on this topic!

lucid_gamer · Feb 5, 2014

well i have 400$ so i would like to get 2 cards to sli or crossfire or i guess 1 great one lol

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

One good card would be better than two decent cards. Here is a $400 top performer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150671
The 7000 series in no way inferior to the new R9 series, as the R9 series is just a renaming of the older cards (some people don't know that).

Shneiky · Feb 5, 2014

Prices depend greatly in different locations.

80 bucks - 7750
100 bucks - HD7770 / R7 260
130/150 bucks - GTX 650 TI or 650 TI 2 GB.
200 bucks - GTX 660 / R9 270
250 and up - GTX 760

lucid_gamer · Feb 5, 2014

at the present time i have 2
HIS hd 7770 1gb 128 bit cards on a asrock 970 extrem3 board
but i just got a MSI 990FXA-GD80V2 think my cards might preform better or is it best to replace the cards
and junit i only have pci express 2.0 on the new board i think...

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

I've said it before and I'll say it again, two cards in crossfire is not going to be better than one card worth twice as much.

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

That's okay, PCIe is backwards compatable, and actually having two cards would lower your bandwidth per card. So without PCIe 3.0 crossfire would perform worse, in theory.

lucid_gamer · Feb 5, 2014

junit what im saying (asking) is the card you showed me was PCIe 3.0 i dont have 3.0 maybe i just don't understand but isnt PCIe 3.0 newer if thats the case wouldn't that mean PCIe 3.0 cards don't work in PCIe 2.0 slots?

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

I have a PCIe 3.0 card in a PCIe 1.0 slot. (Yeah, I am serious)
It is completely backwards and forwards compatable.
3.0 is two times faster than 2.0 in theory, but NO card on the market is powerful enough to take advantage of the extra speed.

lucid_gamer · Feb 5, 2014

i gotcha thanks for breaking that down it makes since now. so will that XFX Double D FX-795A be held back by the 2.0 slot or not a noticeable amount?

Shneiky · Feb 5, 2014

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121837

The GTX 770 is a bit cheaper, but more gaming capable then AMD. At the present moment, all AMD cards are with over inflated prices, due to bitecoin/litecoin miners that buy them by the ton.

PCIe 3.0 x16 is neccessery when you SLI or XFire cards like the Titan, 780, 780TI, 290 or 290x. Else, going to PCIe 2.0 x16 or PCIe 3.0 x8 gives a slightly lower performance such as 1-5% depending on the case.

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

The 770 is no more gaming capable than AMD's equivalent offerings. And not even the 780ti can saturate a PCIe 2.0 x8 bus. Literally it doesn't matter and won't matter for YEARS until you can buy a GPU with more power than all the computers in a large office combined.

Shneiky · Feb 5, 2014

PCIe 3.0 x16 is required to fully harvest GTX 780 SLI, 780TI SLI, 290X SLI or Titan SLI. The difference ranges from anywhere from 1 to 5%.

And no, 7950 is more than a year and a half older than 770. The 770 is around 20% faster overall. The direct competitor of the HD 7950 was the 670. The 770 is a hit on the 7970.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519.html

Trustdesa · Feb 5, 2014

GTX 760 is a great card...but if you can afford the extra cost (dunno how much is in The USA) the 770 offer better performance, be aware that you would also need at least 600w PSU against 500w of the 760.

I had a 270x like I said in a post a few seconds ago but I sold as it was bloody noisy and was hot (despite was a Sapphire with a pretty decent cooler).

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

Age isn't equal to performance. @Shneiky: And it seems you are only willing to consider top end $800 cards. That isn't what this topic is about.

Anyway, sorry for the link I gave you earlier, it was a misclick.
Here is the right link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150632

Shneiky · Feb 5, 2014

Junit151, Price : Performance is the most important thing. And you seem to ignore the fact that the GTX 770 is 350/360 card where as the card that you proposed is 400+. You also fail to get the fact that the GTX 770 is 20% faster overall for less money then your proposition.

The 800$+ card you are talking about are referring to my explanation about PCIe slots and has nothing to do with this. Go read a bit more, understand some things and maybe practice for a decade or two, like some of us on this forum. Then return to give advice.

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

Personal attacks only serve to invalidate a point that you are trying to make.

Shneiky · Feb 5, 2014

Point 1:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519.html

GTX 770 beating 7950 and having slight edge on 7970.

Cheapest 7970 - $400.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125413R

Cheapest 770 - $330.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125463

Point 2:
Your suggestion - $430.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150632

My suggestion - $370
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121837

Point 3:
My suggestion costs $60 less, performs the same/better than yours, consumes less power, it is cooler and quieter. The only reasonable explanation, of why you continue, is that you are a die-hard fanboy, and we hate fanboys here. Most of them are over at Anandtech fighting the AMD/Intel, AMD/nVidia war till infinity and beyond.

Off-topic Point 4:
Arrogance, refusal of arguments right in front of your eyes and the lack of the ability to comprehend what the other communicates, while continuously misleading people does qualify as a sufficient argument to attack another on a basis, questioning their knowledge and/or experience and/or skills.

While neither of us can start throwing diplomas and certificates, the fact that you are TH member for just a month and you do not particularly shine with good knowledge combined with the above mentioned criteria, lead your own arguments to be invalidated.

Off topic Point 5
This forum is not about personal ego, or trying to obtain "guru" whatever status or to beat up personal issues. This forum is about helping people and all of the TH trusty forumers will bash any misinformation or misleading whatsoever. I got bashed as well few times, now it is your turn.

Trustdesa · Feb 5, 2014

I think AMD is getting a big head because of those two "rubbish containers" is powering.

Then again it is always a personal choice... I always had AMD because I couldn't afford same performance Nvidia Cards....now that I can... I see the differences. The HD 7970 is a brilliant card in terms of raw power but overall I wouldn't buy it especially at that price.

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

Well it was frustrating that you hadn't made an actual suggestion until now. The DCUII 4GB is a good value, I'd go for that:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121837

And being new on this forum doesn't make what I say invalid, and it doesn't mean I'm not a veteran of other PC communities online. There are so many more than just TH you know...

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

Trustdesa :

+1 This is the best thing I've heard all day!:lol:

Trustdesa · Feb 5, 2014

Junit151 :

Well I think is true

Nothing against who plays with consoles, I ditched 15 Years of PC Gaming (well and "kind of PC" gaming) for 5 years with Xbox 360 and came back to it after seeing both new-gen consoles, couldn't be happier especially with all these new fancy Mini ITX cases out there.

AMD cards are good but to be honest technically are not as well build as Nvidia therefore they should not charge as much...a big IMHO of course!

The only thing I am regretting is that I was undecided between 760 and 770 and I could have gone for the 770 instead to get quiet a bit of extra horse power even if I run anything on ultra anyway....

Junit151 · Feb 5, 2014

AMD's strong area isn't at the med-high end, like their 280/290X cards. It's in the middle-ground and low end. R9 270X gives some of the best price to performance at around the $200-ish mark!

Trustdesa · Feb 5, 2014

Junit151 :

Strongly agree... I had a 270x and I payed £150.00 for it when it went out in November, however it was really noisy and hot...so I got a MSI 760 two weeks ago which is cool and quiet and I overall prefer the perfomance of this card, I payed £48.00 quid more though but I say justified and, as mentioned earlier that is a good price difference.

When I see a R9 costing like a 780 when it is as noisy as my plane and as hot as my grill then I am not impressed.

Im looking to upgrade graphics cards any ideas

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