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Small hiccups, no idea what is wrong? :S

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February 7, 2014 10:52:54 AM

Over the last couple months, I noticed that images that came to my PC over the internet (ie web browsing, steam catalog, stuff like that) were sometimes glitched, and not rendered properly. At first I just assumed that it was an anomaly, then after it happening more and noticing no problems whatsoever in 3D environments, I thought maybe it's just my internet, since I had just switched providers, and was only an issue in a web based situation. After a month longer, it got worse. In addition to the weird glitching of pictures, I started getting the occasional full screen glitch, where for a fraction of a second (you'd miss it if you blinked) the entire screen displays seemingly random images, that I can't even tell what it is. The most I've noticed was once it looked brown with black or grey lines. Oddly enough, still no problems in 3D environments. So I assumed that it was my GPU (Powercolor HD7950) and saved up a bit of money to replace it. I did that yesterday (Gigabyte GTX 770) and it seemed like the problem was fixed. However, when I was playing Dirt 3, I took a hard hit to a tree (I'm not very good) and the image became grainy and scattered with various colored squares, which disappeared quickly. Then, while browsing these forums, I noticed an image that did the same glitch I was getting with the other GPU. That leads me to believe that my GPU is not the problem, but that something else may be ruining them. Specs are as follows:

AMD FX-8350
Asus M5A97 R2.0
Crucial Ballistix Sport 8gb (4x2) @1600
Antec Kuhler 620
Corsair GS800
Seagate 2tb, WD 400gb, generic DVD drive
Diablotek case

Visuals:
Photo pre glitch


Photo post glitch


Dirt 3 Glitch (Was recording at the time)
February 7, 2014 11:01:12 AM

Did you check the monitor?

hmm nevermind if it shows up in pics it is not a monitor problem.
I have seen the faulty picture on top before. Have you posted this before?
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February 7, 2014 11:01:46 AM

Likely a heat and/or power issue. Are you overclocking anything (CPU, GPU, memory)?

Also, what are your CPU and GPU idle and loaded (like when gaming) temperatures?

Note: I removed the "colorful" language you used to describe your case. Please refrain in the future.
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February 7, 2014 11:03:33 AM

Dear God I almost jumped out of my skin when I saw that! I hate spiders!

Glitches like this can be either hardware or software based. For the easy fix try reinstalling your drivers, or installing older or beta drivers to see if they fix the issue.

If this does not work then it is likely a hardware issue. If you bought the card within the last month or so then see about getting an exchange through the store you purchased it from, but if it has been longer than that then you may need to get an RMA through the manufacturer which may take a bit longer.
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February 7, 2014 11:41:49 AM

smeezekitty said:
Did you check the monitor?

hmm nevermind if it shows up in pics it is not a monitor problem.
I have seen the faulty picture on top before. Have you posted this before?


Yes, I have posted a thread like this before, but that was a while ago before things got worse and I tried a second card. It did occur to me that it might be the monitor as well, but like you noticed, it shows up in pictures and videos too.
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February 7, 2014 11:44:48 AM

2 different GPUs (one AMD and the other Nvidia) having the same problem leads us to look elsewhere. That is why the previous temperature and overclocking questions were asked.
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February 7, 2014 11:44:55 AM

COLGeek said:
Likely a heat and/or power issue. Are you overclocking anything (CPU, GPU, memory)?

Also, what are your CPU and GPU idle and loaded (like when gaming) temperatures?

Note: I removed the "colorful" language you used to describe your case. Please refrain in the future.


Apologies for the language. It is a bad case though :p 

I wouldn't think it would be a heat issue, as the image glitching happens during very light tasks, and I idle at 28C GPU and 30C CPU. Not sure about under load though, I'll test that and post results.
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February 7, 2014 11:47:26 AM

CaedenV said:
Dear God I almost jumped out of my skin when I saw that! I hate spiders!

Glitches like this can be either hardware or software based. For the easy fix try reinstalling your drivers, or installing older or beta drivers to see if they fix the issue.

If this does not work then it is likely a hardware issue. If you bought the card within the last month or so then see about getting an exchange through the store you purchased it from, but if it has been longer than that then you may need to get an RMA through the manufacturer which may take a bit longer.


Sorry about that! I hate them too haha.

I've wiped the drivers multiple times with both cards, and these issues happened with the 7950 progressively while on the same drivers, so I wouldn't think that would be it, otherwise wiping them would have fixed it. The 7950 is too old to exchange, but the 770 is a day old. Ironically I bought the 770 to not be down a PC while RMAing the 7950.
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February 7, 2014 11:49:47 AM

Could be a software problem at this point (like a corrupted windows installed)
or even a flaky PCI-E slot
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February 7, 2014 11:51:20 AM

COLGeek said:
2 different GPUs (one AMD and the other Nvidia) having the same problem leads us to look elsewhere. That is why the previous temperature and overclocking questions were asked.


Yes, those were my thoughts as well. I neglected to mention my clocking in my previous post. Both cards were factory OC, and then a little more by me. I tweaked the voltage a bit with the 7950 and I believe I was running around 1040 mhz core and 1350 mem. Not entirely sure, but that's definitely close. 770 I am not entirely sure of, since different programs don't seem to recognize applied clocks from other programs, but I will see what they hit when I stress test my system.
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February 7, 2014 11:53:06 AM

smeezekitty said:
Could be a software problem at this point (like a corrupted windows installed)
or even a flaky PCI-E slot


I wouldn't think it would be a Windows problem, since I've ran multiple editions with the 7950, and went for months without a problem. Unless it somehow degraded? PCI-E sounds plausible though. Would make a little sense if removing a card and inserting a new one made it not as bad.
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February 7, 2014 11:54:23 AM

COLGeek said:
Could also be the AMD chipset drivers (after all of the changes). Just for good measure, I would update them as well. Get them here:

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset?os=Window...



I'll do that, then stress test and post my results. If that does fix it I won't know for sure, since its not something that happens often or is possible to cause to happen.
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February 7, 2014 11:56:23 AM

Also, CPU and RAM are running entirely stock
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February 7, 2014 11:59:48 AM

Your earlier idle temps seem fine. Does this happen when your GPU is at stock settings (even if you need to manually adjust to stock GTX 770 settings)?
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February 7, 2014 12:08:09 PM

According to afterburner, the core clock is 1215 and the memory clock is 3506. Temps on GPU are peaking at 65 C. Gonna start prime 95 and see what that gives me
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February 7, 2014 12:10:46 PM

COLGeek said:
Your earlier idle temps seem fine. Does this happen when your GPU is at stock settings (even if you need to manually adjust to stock GTX 770 settings)?


I can't be entirely sure, since it is not possible to replicate. I continued to have this problem with the 7950 after dropping the clocks to stock, but I haven't had the 770 long enough to know for sure. I'll try dropping them and see if I notice anything
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February 7, 2014 12:49:59 PM

Just a thought, but have you tried alternate monitors and video cables? Or try the same monitor on another computer? Or try a different input on the monitor?

Having the same issue when different cards installed leads me to believe that this is either a monitor issue, or a Windows software issue.
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February 7, 2014 1:32:53 PM

CaedenV said:
Just a thought, but have you tried alternate monitors and video cables? Or try the same monitor on another computer? Or try a different input on the monitor?

Having the same issue when different cards installed leads me to believe that this is either a monitor issue, or a Windows software issue.


Well, if it were a monitor issue, then the images would not be capture-able and transferable. The images in my post are not from the video out on my card, and were distributed online. If it was a monitor problem and you see the glitches in my post, then you have the monitor problem too :p 

I could see it being a windows issue, but I don't get how it would just gradually happen, as if its a degrading card. I would think it would be more random, and that switching cards would have either fixed it or made no difference. If all else fails, when I begin my new rig I may try a fresh install of windows on a new drive, just to see if it goes away. But like I've said, if something does fix it, I may not know for a while. Or I may think its fixed, just for it to come back. All in all very frustrating really.
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February 7, 2014 1:37:47 PM

Well I've been stress testing the 770 and my CPU at the same time for a bit now, and the 770 fluxuates from 63-65 C, while the CPU is going between 57 and 58 C. Ambient temp is 21 C. Mobo temp is 26 C. So I highly doubt that I'm having a heat issue, which, while reassuring, worries me about what it could be. It should be noted that while typing this, I had a temporary freeze for about 3 seconds and got the popup "Display driver has stopped responding and recovered successfully," the first time I've seen that. To be fair to my system, I am trying to do other things while stress testing.
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February 7, 2014 2:18:14 PM

Nathan Sempsrott said:

Well, if it were a monitor issue, then the images would not be capture-able and transferable.


... right, should have thought about that. I guess that was my blonde moment of the day lol
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February 7, 2014 2:24:30 PM

Everybody has them ;) 

Anyways, since I was planning on building a new rig very soon anyways, I figure I can go ahead and start gutting and part swapping this one to see if I can figure out what the problem is. I wouldn't care, except that I want to in the end have this rig fully rebuilt as a backup PC, and secondary one for gaming with a friend of mine who is stuck with a terrible laptop with a gpu that IDLES at 67 C. So any suggestions of what I should replace first? I wanted to start with mobo/cpu/cooler, but I figure even though the cooler isn't quite right, it works well, and the CPU is fine (at least I hope so) as well. So I'm thinking maybe get a case, psu, and mobo? Reuse the cooler, RAM, CPU, drives, and GPU and see what happens.
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February 7, 2014 3:44:21 PM

If you are into shot gunning, I would replace the mobo, psu and reinstall windows.
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February 7, 2014 4:06:24 PM

smeezekitty said:
If you are into shot gunning, I would replace the mobo, psu and reinstall windows.


Will do :p  Just got home with a new case, mobo, and psu. Have windows on a USB stick, I'll install it on my recording drive so I don't have to delete everything I have lol.
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February 7, 2014 8:50:49 PM

Just a quick update. I have everything installed in the new case, but had a blonde moment and didn't realize I had the wrong version of Windows on my flash drive. So now I'm back on the same installation, setting up a new usb install stick. I at least got a good laugh about my old motherboard's monitoring program freaking out.
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February 9, 2014 1:50:21 PM

So after a little poking around, I learned that the "artifacts" in Dirt 3 are actually a game effect meant to simulate how a camera would react in a real life situation to being slammed around. Explains why it was so easy to replicate XD Also explains why the HUD was unaffected. So far I haven't noticed any of those glitches, which is promising, but like I've mentioned, it doesn't seem to follow a pattern.
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