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February 7, 2014 9:42:04 PM

I just bought arma 2 combined operations because i wanted to play dayz and i knew the performance on arma 2 dayz would be better than standalone dayz. I thought i would be fine considering the default quality was high, but i put it down to medium and i still noticed some bad framerates in certain parts. Now i dont want to put the quality lower because it makes it blurry and i cant see anything when i make it lower quality. My specs:
Amd A10 5700
Radeon hd 7660d integrated
300W psu
10 GB Ram

I dont know if its my gpu or cpu that is causing the framerate to decrease and i really want good framerate, this is why i was thinking of upgrading my gpu to a radeon hd 7750 GDDR5 1 GB. Would this improve my performance and give me a framerate that doesnt go lower than 25 fps in any part of the game?
Ps. My current fps can be at 40 sometimes but then sometimes drops to 7 fps. Is there anything i can do to improve the fps, and will buying the 7750 gddr5 1gb improve my performance greatly or is it my cpu which is causing the bad fps?
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February 7, 2014 9:48:35 PM

Yeah the GPU in your APU is quite weak you should see quite a bit of an improvement from getting a 7750 but a worthwhile upgrade would be to a R7 260X/HD 7790 or higher
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February 7, 2014 10:24:36 PM

Your CPU is more than enough.
Buying a graphics card will make a big difference.
The HD 7750 produced 29 FPS average, 25 FPS minimum in a benchmark of Arma II at 1920x1080 with very high settings:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/05/10/nvidia-gefo...

This means it should produce very good frame rates at medium settings, maybe even high.
If you do want very high settings, look at an AMD Radeon R9 260X or Nvidia GTX 650 Ti.
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February 8, 2014 7:23:00 AM

VincentP said:
Your CPU is more than enough.
Buying a graphics card will make a big difference.
The HD 7750 produced 29 FPS average, 25 FPS minimum in a benchmark of Arma II at 1920x1080 with very high settings:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/05/10/nvidia-gefo...

This means it should produce very good frame rates at medium settings, maybe even high.
If you do want very high settings, look at an AMD Radeon R9 260X or Nvidia GTX 650 Ti.


Thanks so much for the answer! Though wouldn't the AMD Radeon R9 260X and Nvidia GTX 650 Ti bottleneck my cpu? Also I am on a bit of a budget because the Radeon Hd 7750 is $110 with tax (I live in Canada). I don't want to be spending more than $130, so what would be the price of these gpus which you recommended and are they significantly better than the 7750 for their price? Thanks so much for the answers! Oh yes and I thought this would be important, my monitor setting is 1600x900.

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February 8, 2014 7:25:23 AM

Roxas_Boy said:
Yeah the GPU in your APU is quite weak you should see quite a bit of an improvement from getting a 7750 but a worthwhile upgrade would be to a R7 260X/HD 7790 or higher


Thanks so much for the answer! would these graphics cards bottleneck my cpu? Also I am on a bit of a budget because the Radeon Hd 7750 is $110 with tax (I live in Canada). I don't want to be spending more than $130, so what would be the price of these gpus which you recommended and are they significantly better than the 7750 for their price? Thanks so much for the answers! Oh yes and I thought this would be important, my monitor setting is 1600x900.
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February 8, 2014 3:48:29 PM

yahoolinovich said:
Roxas_Boy said:
Yeah the GPU in your APU is quite weak you should see quite a bit of an improvement from getting a 7750 but a worthwhile upgrade would be to a R7 260X/HD 7790 or higher


Thanks so much for the answer! would these graphics cards bottleneck my cpu? Also I am on a bit of a budget because the Radeon Hd 7750 is $110 with tax (I live in Canada). I don't want to be spending more than $130, so what would be the price of these gpus which you recommended and are they significantly better than the 7750 for their price? Thanks so much for the answers! Oh yes and I thought this would be important, my monitor setting is 1600x900.


HD 7770 is about 28% faster than the HD 7750
GTX 650 Ti is about 25% faster than the HD 7770
R7 260X is about 10% faster than the GTX 650 Ti
That is a 76% improvement from the HD 7750 to the R7 260X in total.

Here are some benchmarks for comparison (Battlefield 3):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-650-ti-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-280x-r9-2...

At 1680x1050 with high details, the HD 7750 has low but playable frame rates and the HD 7770 is good
At 1920x1080 with high details, the HD 7770 has low but playable frame rates and the GTX 650 Ti is good
At 1920x1080 with ultra details, the GTX 650 Ti and R7 260X have low but playable frame rates.

Newer games have requirements higher then Battlefield 3.
Often the high setting of an older game is equivalent to the medium setting of a newer game.
Your CPU may limit the frame rate you can achieve in some situations, but the graphics card will limit the detail settings you can achieve. Having a slower CPU doesn't mean it is not worth getting a better video card.
From the same site suggested above, the R7 260X is a much better buy:
http://products.ncix.com/detail/xfx-radeon-r7-260x-1075...

Only $5 extra when purchasing, $25 if you count the $20 mail rebate on the HD 7770.
Roughly 37% performance improvement over the HD 7770.
Will allow much better performance at high to very high detail settings at 1600x900 resolution.

These cards have 1GB video RAM.
Ultra settings in newer games will require a faster card with more memory.
I wouldn't worry about this as high settings look good anyway.
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February 9, 2014 1:15:01 PM

VincentP said:
yahoolinovich said:
Roxas_Boy said:
Yeah the GPU in your APU is quite weak you should see quite a bit of an improvement from getting a 7750 but a worthwhile upgrade would be to a R7 260X/HD 7790 or higher


Thanks so much for the answer! would these graphics cards bottleneck my cpu? Also I am on a bit of a budget because the Radeon Hd 7750 is $110 with tax (I live in Canada). I don't want to be spending more than $130, so what would be the price of these gpus which you recommended and are they significantly better than the 7750 for their price? Thanks so much for the answers! Oh yes and I thought this would be important, my monitor setting is 1600x900.


HD 7770 is about 28% faster than the HD 7750
GTX 650 Ti is about 25% faster than the HD 7770
R7 260X is about 10% faster than the GTX 650 Ti
That is a 76% improvement from the HD 7750 to the R7 260X in total.

Here are some benchmarks for comparison (Battlefield 3):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-650-ti-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-280x-r9-2...

At 1680x1050 with high details, the HD 7750 has low but playable frame rates and the HD 7770 is good
At 1920x1080 with high details, the HD 7770 has low but playable frame rates and the GTX 650 Ti is good
At 1920x1080 with ultra details, the GTX 650 Ti and R7 260X have low but playable frame rates.

Newer games have requirements higher then Battlefield 3.
Often the high setting of an older game is equivalent to the medium setting of a newer game.
Your CPU may limit the frame rate you can achieve in some situations, but the graphics card will limit the detail settings you can achieve. Having a slower CPU doesn't mean it is not worth getting a better video card.
From the same site suggested above, the R7 260X is a much better buy:
http://products.ncix.com/detail/xfx-radeon-r7-260x-1075...

Only $5 extra when purchasing, $25 if you count the $20 mail rebate on the HD 7770.
Roughly 37% performance improvement over the HD 7770.
Will allow much better performance at high to very high detail settings at 1600x900 resolution.

These cards have 1GB video RAM.
Ultra settings in newer games will require a faster card with more memory.
I wouldn't worry about this as high settings look good anyway.


The radeon HD 7770 requirement for the psu is 500W and my psu is 300W, so I cant get away with that big of a difference. It probably wouldn't work, so what do you recommend I get then, and again I don't want any bottlenecking, would the GTX 650 bottleneck my amd a10 5700?
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February 9, 2014 1:39:44 PM

yahoolinovich said:
VincentP said:
yahoolinovich said:
Roxas_Boy said:
Yeah the GPU in your APU is quite weak you should see quite a bit of an improvement from getting a 7750 but a worthwhile upgrade would be to a R7 260X/HD 7790 or higher


Thanks so much for the answer! would these graphics cards bottleneck my cpu? Also I am on a bit of a budget because the Radeon Hd 7750 is $110 with tax (I live in Canada). I don't want to be spending more than $130, so what would be the price of these gpus which you recommended and are they significantly better than the 7750 for their price? Thanks so much for the answers! Oh yes and I thought this would be important, my monitor setting is 1600x900.


HD 7770 is about 28% faster than the HD 7750
GTX 650 Ti is about 25% faster than the HD 7770
R7 260X is about 10% faster than the GTX 650 Ti
That is a 76% improvement from the HD 7750 to the R7 260X in total.

Here are some benchmarks for comparison (Battlefield 3):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-650-ti-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-280x-r9-2...

At 1680x1050 with high details, the HD 7750 has low but playable frame rates and the HD 7770 is good
At 1920x1080 with high details, the HD 7770 has low but playable frame rates and the GTX 650 Ti is good
At 1920x1080 with ultra details, the GTX 650 Ti and R7 260X have low but playable frame rates.

Newer games have requirements higher then Battlefield 3.
Often the high setting of an older game is equivalent to the medium setting of a newer game.
Your CPU may limit the frame rate you can achieve in some situations, but the graphics card will limit the detail settings you can achieve. Having a slower CPU doesn't mean it is not worth getting a better video card.
From the same site suggested above, the R7 260X is a much better buy:
http://products.ncix.com/detail/xfx-radeon-r7-260x-1075...

Only $5 extra when purchasing, $25 if you count the $20 mail rebate on the HD 7770.
Roughly 37% performance improvement over the HD 7770.
Will allow much better performance at high to very high detail settings at 1600x900 resolution.

These cards have 1GB video RAM.
Ultra settings in newer games will require a faster card with more memory.
I wouldn't worry about this as high settings look good anyway.


The radeon HD 7770 requirement for the psu is 500W and my psu is 300W, so I cant get away with that big of a difference. It probably wouldn't work, so what do you recommend I get then, and again I don't want any bottlenecking, would the GTX 650 bottleneck my amd a10 5700?


I have tried to explain "bottlenecking" above.
None of these cards will "bottleneck" your CPU.

The GTX 650 and GTX 650 Ti are different.
The GTX 650 is about the same performance as the HD 7750, but is usually more expensive.
As noted above, the GTX 650 Ti is much better, or the Radeon R7 260X is better again.

The HD 7750 will most likely work with your existing power supply as it only draws 55W and does not require a PCI-E power connector.
For the other cards suggested, get a new supply.
The Corsair CX 500 is a good budget supply.
Don't buy a no-name power supply.

Another question though, is this an OEM system (Hewlett Packard, Lenovo, Dell, etc.)?
These don't always have standard 16x PCI-E slots, so an addin graphics card may not work.
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February 9, 2014 2:48:33 PM

To try and explain bottlenecking again:
You can't make the system slower by choosing a better video card.
If your video card can produce a higher frame rate than your CPU with the configured resolution and detail setting, the CPU is the bottleneck.
This doesn't mean the situation would improve by choosing a slower video card.
You still get the best possible performance with your current CPU by choosing the best video card you can.

The two things you have to be careful of is that your motherboard will support an addin card, and that your power supply can power the system.
If you surpass the limits of your power supply it can fail and potentially damage other components.
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February 9, 2014 5:11:04 PM

VincentP said:
yahoolinovich said:
VincentP said:
yahoolinovich said:
Roxas_Boy said:
Yeah the GPU in your APU is quite weak you should see quite a bit of an improvement from getting a 7750 but a worthwhile upgrade would be to a R7 260X/HD 7790 or higher


Thanks so much for the answer! would these graphics cards bottleneck my cpu? Also I am on a bit of a budget because the Radeon Hd 7750 is $110 with tax (I live in Canada). I don't want to be spending more than $130, so what would be the price of these gpus which you recommended and are they significantly better than the 7750 for their price? Thanks so much for the answers! Oh yes and I thought this would be important, my monitor setting is 1600x900.


HD 7770 is about 28% faster than the HD 7750
GTX 650 Ti is about 25% faster than the HD 7770
R7 260X is about 10% faster than the GTX 650 Ti
That is a 76% improvement from the HD 7750 to the R7 260X in total.

Here are some benchmarks for comparison (Battlefield 3):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-650-ti-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-280x-r9-2...

At 1680x1050 with high details, the HD 7750 has low but playable frame rates and the HD 7770 is good
At 1920x1080 with high details, the HD 7770 has low but playable frame rates and the GTX 650 Ti is good
At 1920x1080 with ultra details, the GTX 650 Ti and R7 260X have low but playable frame rates.

Newer games have requirements higher then Battlefield 3.
Often the high setting of an older game is equivalent to the medium setting of a newer game.
Your CPU may limit the frame rate you can achieve in some situations, but the graphics card will limit the detail settings you can achieve. Having a slower CPU doesn't mean it is not worth getting a better video card.
From the same site suggested above, the R7 260X is a much better buy:
http://products.ncix.com/detail/xfx-radeon-r7-260x-1075...

Only $5 extra when purchasing, $25 if you count the $20 mail rebate on the HD 7770.
Roughly 37% performance improvement over the HD 7770.
Will allow much better performance at high to very high detail settings at 1600x900 resolution.

These cards have 1GB video RAM.
Ultra settings in newer games will require a faster card with more memory.
I wouldn't worry about this as high settings look good anyway.


The radeon HD 7770 requirement for the psu is 500W and my psu is 300W, so I cant get away with that big of a difference. It probably wouldn't work, so what do you recommend I get then, and again I don't want any bottlenecking, would the GTX 650 bottleneck my amd a10 5700?


I have tried to explain "bottlenecking" above.
None of these cards will "bottleneck" your CPU.

The GTX 650 and GTX 650 Ti are different.
The GTX 650 is about the same performance as the HD 7750, but is usually more expensive.
As noted above, the GTX 650 Ti is much better, or the Radeon R7 260X is better again.

The HD 7750 will most likely work with your existing power supply as it only draws 55W and does not require a PCI-E power connector.
For the other cards suggested, get a new supply.
The Corsair CX 500 is a good budget supply.
Don't buy a no-name power supply.

Another question though, is this an OEM system (Hewlett Packard, Lenovo, Dell, etc.)?
These don't always have standard 16x PCI-E slots, so an addin graphics card may not work.


I have an hp, im not sure if i have a pcie x16 lane, how would i check if i do.have a pcie x16 lane
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February 10, 2014 12:04:44 AM

You can google your model number and see details like that.
All graphics cards require a PCI-E x16 slot.
Even if you do though, just be aware that you may have issues upgrading the graphics card in this machine.
If it wasn't designed to run a gaming video card, best to just build a new PC and maybe get what you can for the HP from a friend that needs a desktop machine or on ebay.
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February 10, 2014 12:48:26 PM

If you are still looking at getting one of these cards, Tom's Hardware ran a really good series of benchmarks showing relative performance.
AMD have recently announced they will rebadge the HD 7770 as the "R7 250X".
Performance of the R7 250X in this benchmark will be the same as the HD 7770.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r7-250x-grap...

You can see how well the HD 7770 / R7 250X does at these medium detail setting.
The R7 260X is doing much better and could handle higher settings.

I was playing Skyrim last night with mods and it had no trouble using all 2GB of my video memory.
If you really do want to play new titles at high settings, you should probably look at a new machine and a Nvidia GTX 660 or Radeon R9 270 minimum.
Here is a benchmark for Metro Last Light on high settings with these cards, to compare to the low settings used in the benchmark above.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-270-revie...
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