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Need a build for HUGE 3d animation, and music production

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February 8, 2014 5:00:39 AM

Hey, new to building computers, have a good grasp on compatibility between pieces, but I still don't have an understanding of what cpu to buy for my personal lifestyle on a computer.
So because of that, I haven't even built a set yet, I was going to be open to your ideas and builds, unless you want me to make a starting point to bag on.
Will be using this desktop for literally building worlds and making films, and music production, and probably more. Thanks in advance.
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February 8, 2014 5:05:21 AM

Location and budget.
A few someones will be along with some suggestions.
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February 8, 2014 5:06:34 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.29 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 660W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($146.97 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1503.70
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-08 08:06 EST-0500)


Your welcome. Also could you provide locatain and budget like usa said.
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February 8, 2014 5:14:33 AM

I'm actually thinking those requirements won't be demanding and you would be fine with a locked i5 Haswell CPU(LGA 1150) and 4600HD integrated graphics.

But we need to know what the program is.
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February 8, 2014 5:17:43 AM

But you know, its nice to have a lot of power. I dont know if its on your screen but on the right side, the number #1 expert in android is EloiseBrookes and he has only done 3 messages since 11/21/12. Man I wish I was a mod, ban him right now for hacking
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February 8, 2014 5:38:55 AM

TheMohammadmo said:
But you know, its nice to have a lot of power. I dont know if its on your screen but on the right side, the number #1 expert in android is EloiseBrookes and he has only done 3 messages since 11/21/12. Man I wish I was a mod, ban him right now for hacking


That doesn't appear to be any 'hacking'. Maybe a glitch in the matrix.
I shall consult the powers that be.
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February 8, 2014 5:44:50 AM

Eh, the tag system is useless. If you actively add tags you suddenly earn a whole lot more badges.

There's a number of tags that are rarely added by the software, including Android, LAN, and a number of others.
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February 8, 2014 6:05:03 AM

Oh ok I just wanted to make sure
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a c 93 B Homebuilt system
February 8, 2014 7:14:33 AM

Actually, I stand corrected. It's not really the useless tag system, it's the useless rankings system. Instead of a rolling average, they reset the counters at the start of each month. Meaning that if you're the first person to get a BA on a particular tag, you're #1 until someone else gets two. For reference, last month the top number of android BAs awarded to one person was four.

However, EloiseBrookes does have a Laptops Veteran+, which seems unlikely, given the relative lack of BAs.

It just looks like a useless system to me; the person hasn't posted since 2012, but a tag was probably added, making the BA count for now rather than years ago.
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February 8, 2014 7:36:03 AM

lol I know. Anyway back to the thread. The build i recommended is perfect for 3d animation. Whats your budget OP
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February 8, 2014 7:47:45 AM

What programs are you planning to use for this animation and production? If you're doing serious production work you shouldn't be looking at desktop-class hardware. Professional series such as the Xeon would be more optimized for heavy lifting and can support greater capacities of memory if you are needing much more for rendering and large cache workspace. Also, even if you do decide to go with a desktop-class processor and motherboard, do not expect your desktop-class graphics cards to perform optimally in most professional 3D design applications. There's a reason they make the nVidia Quadro and AMD FirePro series of cards and it is for this reason. Yes, they are expensive, but they are built and have drivers optimized exactly for this type of work.
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February 8, 2014 8:47:55 AM

Adam Keller please respond
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February 8, 2014 9:28:58 AM

TheMohammadmo said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.29 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($82.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 660W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($146.97 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1503.70
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-08 08:06 EST-0500)


Your welcome. Also could you provide locatain and budget like usa said.

That is a terrible build, sorry for saying.
This aircooler is just as good as h100i.
A 4770 might be a better choice than a 4770k.
Higher frequency ram would be a better choice, and he wont be utilizing 32GB ram.
WD Black > any seagate drive.
780 > 760
Why on earth would you suggest a plat certified PSU? You know what those are made for? Obviously not..
This build is in general better.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($294.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H87-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($145.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($489.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1504.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-08 12:27 EST-0500)
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February 8, 2014 9:33:49 AM

He is doing HUGE 3D editing. You are the cpu authority so maybe the 4770 is better 4770k. But its nice to utilize all the power, plus he can overclock. The 32gb is really nice because he is doing HUGE 3D animation like he mentioned. Also, gpu isnt that important in 3D animation so the 760 is fine. If you dont like it you could get a 770. Yeah agreed about the hdd, I forgot to change it to western digital, was kinda in a hurry. Also why the 200r when this is a nice budget build. You can provide a better case for a 1500 dollar build
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February 8, 2014 9:39:07 AM

"HUGE 3D editing" is a matter of opinion. Until there is a stated budget and actual use....all is speculation.
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February 8, 2014 12:57:32 PM

apologies, I have awoken from my slumber, Washington state, united states.
budget? around 1800
programs:
Autodesk Maya (most shots)
Pixar Renderman for Maya
Autodesk SoftImage XSI
Luxology Modo (model design)
Lightwave (low-res realtime environments)
Houdini (Hell’s Gate scenes, interiors)
ZBrush (creature design)
Autodesk 3d design max (space shots, control room screens and HUD renderings)
Autodesk MotionBuilder (for real-time 3d visualisations)
Eyeon Fusion (image compositing)
The Foundry Nuke Compositor (previz image compositing)
Autodesk Smoke (color correction)
Autodesk Combustion (compositing)
Massive (vegetation simulation)
Mudbox (floating mountains)
Avid(video editing)
Adobe After Effects (compositing, real-ime visualizations)
PF Track (motion tracking, background replacement)
Adobe Illustrator (HUD and screens layout)
Adobe Photoshop (concept art, textures)
Adobe Premiere (proofing, rough compositing with AE)
countless plugins for each platform, some of them Ocula for Nuke, Ktakatoa for 3ds max, Sapphire for Combustion/AE.
Oh and cinema 4d
and FL studio.
sounds bout right, now throw me your suggestions, oh and remember I'm literally going to make new worlds with new species of plant and animal life , with different technology than our own.
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February 8, 2014 12:58:14 PM

can do 2200 if it seems needed
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February 8, 2014 1:06:15 PM

the previous build I recommended before is perfect. This one is similar except it has a better gpu
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.29 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($179.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($148.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Recon3D Fatal1ty Professional 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($135.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill BlackHawk ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1844.15
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-08 16:06 EST-0500)
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February 8, 2014 1:14:07 PM

New species, new car, new furniture....all the same. Rendering is rendering.

The above build is good, except:

Bigger SSD
Bigger (or 2X) HDD
Possibly lose the 'K' overclock
Lose the liquid cooler.
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February 8, 2014 1:22:33 PM

Yeah I could get rid of the liquid cooler and just get the hyper 212 evo. I think the 4770k is fine as is and so is the ssd. If you really want to you can get a 240gb ssd.
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February 8, 2014 1:24:06 PM

I live in a cold house with close to no insulation, its cold, i don't think I'll need a liquid cooler
could you link a good SSD, I know nothing about them as well do you have a good reference page for ssd's?
I was thinking starting with a 3 or 4 tb hdd system so any links for that?
got a good link for intel quad cores without k overclock?
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February 8, 2014 1:25:01 PM

what are ssd's used for over hdd's?
and I actually read somewhere that the x series renders better quality image
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February 8, 2014 1:28:04 PM
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February 8, 2014 1:30:45 PM

Thank you, can someone still state the benefit of uses for sdd over hdd?
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February 8, 2014 1:42:17 PM

Adam Keller said:
Thank you, can someone still state the benefit of uses for sdd over hdd?


Speed and reliability vs overall size.
The SSD is way, way faster, but far more expensive per GB than an HDD.

I would consider a 256 SSD for the OS and applications, and another for a working documents drive. Once something is fully rendered, then move it off to the large HDD.
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February 8, 2014 1:48:13 PM

Thanks (: a lot guys.
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February 8, 2014 1:49:56 PM

1855 dollars approx.
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February 8, 2014 2:03:35 PM

Well I hope you enjoy your build
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February 8, 2014 2:12:58 PM

Adam Keller said:
Here's a good one, I want honest answers,
Why should I build it,
http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products...
if i could buy that^ and stick an ssd in it?
what would be the major difference?


For that much money, I'd want to specify each and every part. Instead of what HP wanted to stick in there.
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February 8, 2014 2:14:04 PM

Well I hope you enjoy your beast build. Thanks for ba
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February 8, 2014 3:38:12 PM

To be clear SSDs wont make any performance increase whatsoever.
SSDs are much faster to response, but if you will pull out larger files the HDD is just as fast.
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February 8, 2014 3:52:55 PM

HP consumer line computers are NOT intended for this kind of usage. They just won't cut it for long. Given the budget range you are looking at then a desktop-class processor is probably going to be the best cost-efficient option. I would suggest leveraging as much hyperthreading and cores you can use so hop on the LGA2011 platform if you can. It runs hotter than the LGA1150 platform, but given the work you are doing, you can use the CPU room and the additional memory capacity capabilities. Also, you are going to be running a dedicated graphics card, anyways, so no need for the onboard GPU of the other LGA1150 platform.

As I stated above, I'd highly recommend looking into the professional graphics cards. Real businesses and professionals doing 3D content design use real professional graphics cards for a reason. Again yes, they are more expensive, but they are specifically built for this kind of use, and they have the driver support behind it to provide unparalleled reliability and efficiency in these kinds of software. Will an nVidia Quadro card play Star Citizen better than a desktop class GTX 770? No, but it sure is going to be better at actually BUILDING the world of Star Citizen.

If possible, stick with the Samsung 840 Pro SSD over the Evo. The Evo SSD is still great and my recommendation for most general office users, but what you are doing is not general home or office usage, and the TLC memory in the Evo will not offer you the same longevity or performance as the MLC that is in the Pro SSD. Still, they do offer pretty similar performance on average, especially when you configure your system for using a SSD properly. I also agree with the recommendation for Western Digital Black drives for data. Great performers and great reliability. We use them in most of our custom builds.
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February 8, 2014 6:17:10 PM

The HP desktop has a GT640. That's a $80 GPU. The custom builds above mostly have a 770, a ~$300 GPU.

Also, HP tends to cheap out on things like PSUs and motherboards.
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February 8, 2014 6:39:27 PM

Yeah hp just puts the cheapest stuff for most parts and then good cpu and ram
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