"micro" stuttering in games and just pc

mavsynchroid · Feb 10, 2014

Hey folks, been trying to figure out this problem I've been having recently. Games that USED to run perfectly fine for some reason are giving a fraction of a second of stutter every couple of seconds while moving or turning in game. Went to play Skyrim, Borderlands 2, and a beta which cannot be named and I'm getting it in all of those. Also getting very stuttery gameplay in Marvel Heroes which used to run perfectly fine. Heck, my comp seems to hang when clicking search in a google search.

So far I've tried....

Freeing up space on HDD
Dskchck
Malware scanning
Virus scanning (found both and removed, no change)
Changing Nvidia control panel to performance
Defrag once a week
ALL drivers updated
scanned HDD yet again with multiple free programs

...Crap... I know I did a lot more these past few days but I'm blanking..

Anywho.. I'm just not sure why I'm getting these stutters in game and hang ups out of game. Have 6gb of ram and I was never bothered by any of this before. Comp always ran pretty well.

Oh one more thing, for as long as I can rememebr my computer has been saying the cpu is overheating at 97C but I don't think it's right. I can have my comp off for days and then when I turn it on, it'll say that at boot. The same exact temperature no matter what. Think a sensor is faulty or something. Either way it's irrelevant as it was saying this when everything was running fine as well.

Really desperate for help here. I've looked at other stuttering threads here but I feel mine's different because it's games I've played before that have worked fine that are running poorly now.

I'll gladly try any tips or suggestions you guys can give. Will be here all night! ^_^

smeezekitty · Feb 10, 2014

A bad CPU sensor can be a problem if it is causing thermal throttling

mavsynchroid · Feb 10, 2014

smeezekitty :

Do you mean becuase of the false heat temp? The reason I don't think it's that is because it was saying that for over a year with no real issues, especially not this stuttering. This was in the last month or two.

smeezekitty · Feb 10, 2014

That is true.
Personally I have been having some stuttering problems as well.
It affects youtube and games. It still occurs on the onboard GPU so I am fairly sure it is a software problem.

In this case a spare hard drive that you can install a fresh OS is useful

What do your CPU and GPU usage graphs look like?

mavsynchroid · Feb 10, 2014

How do I go about showing you that? I'm def willing to, just not sure how

smeezekitty · Feb 10, 2014

mavsynchroid :

You can snapshot with alt+printscreen, paste them in paint and upload them to a hosting service
like postimg

mavsynchroid · Feb 10, 2014

I'm not even sure what I would be taking a picture of... Not that great at this stuff.

smeezekitty · Feb 10, 2014

Task manager provides CPU usage graphs and MSI afterburner will provide GPU usage graphs

mavsynchroid · Feb 10, 2014

don't really do picture sharing but here goes...

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o231/mavsynchroid/comp_zps1b4218b0.png

Is that big enough?

smeezekitty · Feb 10, 2014

Still no GPU graph but I noticed two things right off the bat.

Firstly the usage is oscillating distinctly which could be related
Secondly your CPU is only at half frequency. This could be due to the faulty sensor or perhaps speedstep throttling

mavsynchroid · Feb 10, 2014

Is there a software fix to either of those?

smeezekitty · Feb 10, 2014

If you are certain your CPU isn't really overheating, then go into the BIOS and turn off speedstep and if there is an option
thermal throttling and see if it helps.

mavsynchroid · Feb 12, 2014

Now what if I'm like 70% certain it's not overheating?..

.. .I'm not really sure how to physically check. I know it DOES say that even if the computer has been off for a long time, so I'm not sure how it could instantly be at that temperature.

Also, it's the SAME EXACT temp every time I see it. 97C, without fail. If it were a real reading, wouldn't it fluctuate even a little bit?

smeezekitty · Feb 12, 2014

mavsynchroid :

Yeah it would be almost impossible for it to be exactly that temp.
Go ahead and disable TT if you can

mavsynchroid · Feb 13, 2014

Update!

So, I updated my BIOS and now it's saying 87C instead of 97C all the time. I also installed an SSD drive and installed Skyrim on that. Still have the skipping though.

New question. If my OS is on the original HDD, could it still cause the skipping even though my game is installed on my 2nd drive? Since I'm playing the game through Windows?

Haven't attempted the speed step and throttling yet. Wanted to see if it was my HDD first. Will try it next after I hear back from you or anyone else.

mavsynchroid · Feb 13, 2014

Also, worst case scenario. If my CPU IS overheating, could turning off thermal throttling and speed step roast it? Or will it shut down or something along those lines to prevent damage?

smeezekitty · Feb 13, 2014

New question. If my OS is on the original HDD, could it still cause the skipping even though my game is installed on my 2nd drive? Since I'm playing the game through Windows?

I tend to doubt it.
Usually once those components finish loading it shouldn't effect it

Also, worst case scenario. If my CPU IS overheating, could turning off thermal throttling and speed step roast it? Or will it shut down or something along those lines to prevent damage?

Its hard to say for sure, but there is some risk

-edit-
I just scrolled through the thread and just noticed I don't think you posted your specs

mavsynchroid · Feb 13, 2014

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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/14/2014, 01:51:55
Machine name: CCCCCC-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130318-1533)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: BIOS Date: 11/01/12 09:54:59 Ver: 36.02
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 6144MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 6112MB RAM
Page File: 2273MB used, 9947MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 460
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0E22&SUBSYS_13733842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 3777 MB
Dedicated Memory: 977 MB
Shared Memory: 2799 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: S230HL
Monitor Id: ACR0282
Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
Output Type: HD15
Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
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Driver Version: 9.18.13.3221
DDI Version: 11
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 18222008 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
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Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0E22
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Driver Strong Name: oem20.inf:NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6.1:Section030:9.18.13.3221

ci\ven_10de&dev_0e22
Rank Of Driver: 00E02001

mavsynchroid · Feb 13, 2014

USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x1C2D
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub20
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 3/24/2011 19:29:26, 343040 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 3/24/2011 19:28:59, 7936 bytes
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+-+ Generic USB Hub
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x8087, 0x0024
| | Location: Port_#0001.Hub_#0001
| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_09
| | Service: usbhub
| | Driver: usbhub.sys, 3/24/2011 19:29:26, 343040 bytes

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Gameport Devices
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PS/2 Devices
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+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x1532, 0x0024
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 11/20/2010 02:33:25, 33280 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 7/13/2009 17:48:04, 50768 bytes
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+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x1532, 0x0200
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 11/20/2010 02:33:25, 33280 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 7/13/2009 17:48:04, 50768 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 7/13/2009 15:19:57, 105472 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 7/13/2009 17:48:04, 50768 bytes
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+ HID-compliant mouse
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x1532, 0x0024
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 7/13/2009 16:00:20, 31232 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 7/13/2009 17:48:27, 49216 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 11/20/2010 05:33:57, 63360 bytes
| Driver: sermouse.sys, 7/13/2009 16:00:20, 26624 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 7/13/2009 17:48:27, 49216 bytes

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Free Space: 887.2 GB
Total Space: 953.9 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0

Drive: E:
Free Space: 0.1 GB
Total Space: 0.1 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: C300-CTF DDAC128MAG SCSI Disk Device

Drive: F:
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Total Space: 122.0 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: C300-CTF DDAC128MAG SCSI Disk Device

Drive: D:
Model: HP DVD Writer 1260t SCSI CdRom Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.01.7601.17514 (English), 11/20/2010 01:19:21, 147456 bytes

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System Devices
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Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 1C2D
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C2D&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&D0
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 6.01.7601.17586 (English), 3/24/2011 19:29:04, 52736 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.01.7601.17586 (English), 3/24/2011 19:29:14, 325120 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.01.7601.17586 (English), 3/24/2011 19:29:26, 343040 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 - 1C12
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C12&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&0&E1
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.01.7601.17514 (English), 11/20/2010 05:33:48, 184704 bytes

Name: JMicron JMB36X Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_197B&DEV_2362&SUBSYS_84601043&REV_10\4&20221DEA&0&00E3
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\jraid.sys, 1.17.0065.0011 (English), 12/31/1999 16:00:00, 123704 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 1C26
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C26&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&E8
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 6.01.7601.17586 (English), 3/24/2011 19:29:04, 52736 bytes
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Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 1C10
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C10&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&0&E0
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Name: VIA 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3044&SUBSYS_81FE1043&REV_C0\5&D93DF5B&0&0800E6
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\1394ohci.sys, 6.01.7601.17514 (English), 11/20/2010 02:44:56, 229888 bytes

Name: Synaptics SMBus Driver
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C22&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&FB
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) Desktop/Workstation/Server Express Chipset SATA AHCI Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C02&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&FA
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Name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
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Driver: C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\coprocmanager\detoured.dll, 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 13088 bytes
Driver: C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\coprocmanager\nvdxgiwrap.dll, 9.18.0013.3221 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 226296 bytes
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Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI\nvml.dll, 8.17.0013.3221 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 541984 bytes
Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\OpenCL\OpenCL.dll, 1.00.0000.0000 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 53024 bytes
Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\OpenCL\OpenCL64.dll, 1.00.0000.0000 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 61216 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\nvlddmkm.sys, 9.18.0013.3221 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 12645664 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\NvFBC64.dll, 6.14.0013.3221 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 879392 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\NvIFR64.dll, 6.14.0013.3221 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 882464 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvapi64.dll, 9.18.0013.3221 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 3071656 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\nvcompiler.dll, 8.17.0013.3221 (English), 12/19/2013 12:33:31, 25257248 bytes
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mavsynchroid · Feb 13, 2014

Should I post more out of the DXdiag? Wanted to make sure it was exact.

At the very end of the DXDiag, I noticed this..

EVR Power Information
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Current Setting: {5C67A112-A4C9-483F-B4A7-1D473BECAFDC} (Quality)
Quality Flags: 2576
Enabled:
Force throttling
Allow half deinterlace
Allow scaling
Decode Power Usage: 100
Balanced Flags: 1424
Enabled:
Force throttling
Allow batching
Force half deinterlace
Force scaling
Decode Power Usage: 50
PowerFlags: 1424
Enabled:
Force throttling
Allow batching
Force half deinterlace
Force scaling
Decode Power Usage: 0

Not sure if it helps

smeezekitty · Feb 13, 2014

As far as I can tell that is normal stuff.
So its a 2500K and GTX460

Did you ever check that your GPU temp was okay.

Stuttering problems are actually one of the hardest to diagnose. What type of network connection are you using?

mavsynchroid · Feb 13, 2014

I'm using cable, and get a pretty good DL speed and what not. Plus the games I'm playing are mostly SP. Never had a problem with latency in games really.

As for the GPU, the temp seems average according to MSI Afterburner.

I just can't figure this out. I've noticed it seems to microstutter when new assets load in games like in a distance, but besides that runs perfectly fine. My friend said maybe a ram problem but I have 6gb and it always used to be ok before now.

mavsynchroid · Feb 15, 2014

Yay.. Now I can't even boot my computer. Shows a blinking white line in the top left hand corner on a black screen. Can't get into bios either. Most of the time it doesn't even show the option and when it does it freezes when I try and then eventually goes to the black screen again.

smeezekitty · Feb 15, 2014

mavsynchroid :

Sounds like something died.

Try taking the GPU out and plugging the monitor into the motherboard.

Also try resetting the CMOS

"micro" stuttering in games and just pc

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