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February 11, 2014 4:38:03 AM

My CPU is bottlenecking my GPU , I need to buy a new CPU and MOBO , should I buy the AMD FX 6300 or 6350?
Here is my specs:
PSU: Corsair GS 600
MOBO: Biostar NF520D3
RAM: 2x2GB Transcend 1333MHz
GPU: MSI GTX 660 2GB GDDR5
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250 3,0GHz
HDD: Seagate Barracuda Green SATA 3 1TB

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February 11, 2014 4:50:56 AM

FX 6350 is better than 6300

6350 is placed at a higher level than 6300 in terms of gaming performance
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

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if you take a FX series processor, you have to change your mobo also as it won't support FX series..
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February 11, 2014 4:52:57 AM

Muku said:
FX 6350 is better than 6300
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if you take a FX series processor, you have to change your mobo also as it won't support FX series..


I know , I wrote 'I'll have to change my CPU and MOBO'
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February 11, 2014 4:54:03 AM

Op already stated they will be getting a new mobo. How did you decide on those 2? Why not go intel since you're upgrading cpu and mobo? You'd have more fun I think with an i5 and a good z87 or z77 mobo. I have an i7 3770k and I love it. Just my 2cents.
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February 11, 2014 4:57:36 AM

And7rey said:
Muku said:
FX 6350 is better than 6300
but
if you take a FX series processor, you have to change your mobo also as it won't support FX series..


I know , I wrote 'I'll have to change my CPU and MOBO'


Sorry, I overlooked.... Get a 6350..
But if you want to discuss more options then give us your budget for the two..
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February 11, 2014 4:57:43 AM

jnewegger23 said:
Op already stated they will be getting a new mobo. How did you decide on those 2? Why not go intel since you're upgrading cpu and mobo? You'd have more fun I think with an i5 and a good z87 or z77 mobo. I have an i7 3770k and I love it. Just my 2cents.


Well , I like AMD , I always had AMD Computers and I like it more , why are intel processor better? I think Intel processors cost more , and these 2 are very cheap. And they are reducest in the shop where I want to buy it , FX 6300 costs only 109 euros
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February 11, 2014 5:02:54 AM

And7rey said:


Well , I like AMD , I always had AMD Computers and I like it more , why are intel processor better?


Well, to keep it really simple:

Intel processors has less but stronger cores so they perform much better in games as gaming hardly needs more than 4 cores of an processor. But they cost more.

whereas AMD has more but weaker cores so they are very good at handling multi-threaded application like video editing and 3d rendering. AMD also have price advantage over similarly performing intel processors.
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February 11, 2014 5:04:59 AM

I'm not here to convert you but I do agree with Muku a lot. So I guess it's more due to budget, value and familiarity which I can totally respect. I tend to be a big spender so get the better chip like Muku said.
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February 11, 2014 5:06:40 AM

jnewegger23 said:
I'm not here to convert you but I do agree with Muku a lot. So I guess it's more due to budget, value and familiarity which I can totally respect. I tend to be a big spender so get the better chip like Muku said.


Which Intel CPU is the best under 120 euros? I need to save money for a new iPhone :S
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February 11, 2014 5:13:37 AM

Based on that budget you could get the i3 4340 but if you could bump that budget up just 15 euros then you could get yourself an i5 4430 which is where the fun really starts but again I'm not here to sway you away from your original direction but I've had nothing but great experiences with Intel. I see the value in AMD but I'm just not as familiar.

Pcpartpicker.com is a very useful tool: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#f=34&sort=a8
Great place to play with configurations. Not sure if it's applicable with the pricing for where you're at but gives you a good frame of reference regardless. Hope this all is helping.
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February 11, 2014 5:17:46 AM

And7rey said:

Which Intel CPU is the best under 120 euros? I need to save money for a new iPhone :S


if you are very strict about you budget then for 120 euros 6350 is the best processor you can get..
intel processors that you can have at that price point are all 2 core i3 processors and a 6 core 6350 is much better than them..
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February 11, 2014 5:29:27 AM

Get the 6300 and overclock it. I believe the 6350 is just a more expensive 6300 with higher core clocks anyway.

You've gotten a lot of good advice so far.

Now, I know you're on a tight budget, but sinking just a little bit more into this to get an i5 would REALLY serve you well. Take a look at this one and see if you can make it work. It would be a great investment for your PC. Just some food for thought.

What's your total budget (motherboard + CPU)? Maybe we can help get this to work
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February 11, 2014 5:38:50 AM

DonQuixoteMC said:
Get the 6300 and overclock it. I believe the 6350 is just a more expensive 6300 with higher core clocks anyway.

You've gotten a lot of good advice so far.

Now, I know you're on a tight budget, but sinking just a little bit more into this to get an i5 would REALLY serve you well. Take a look at this one and see if you can make it work. It would be a great investment for your PC. Just some food for thought.

What's your total budget (motherboard + CPU)? Maybe we can help get this to work


Well , if I would buy an Intel CPU , unfortunately I don't know any good Intel Mobos , and If I would buy a new MOBO it would be really great if it would have 2 PS/2 ports becouse I bought this mice and keyboard in 2011 and they're PS/2 My total budget is max 230 euros , If I spend more , I cannot buy a new iPhone until summer PS: the CPU u send doesn't seems to be much better than the FX 6350 http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3350P-vs-AMD-FX-6...
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February 11, 2014 1:13:32 PM

FX 6350 is just an overclocked FX 6300. I would go FX 8320 over an FX 6350.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor (£108.34 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£98.95 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £207.29
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-11 21:14 GMT+0000)
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February 11, 2014 1:24:59 PM

Muku said:
And7rey said:


Well , I like AMD , I always had AMD Computers and I like it more , why are intel processor better?


Well, to keep it really simple:

Intel processors has less but stronger cores so they perform much better in games as gaming hardly needs more than 4 cores of an processor. But they cost more.

whereas AMD has more but weaker cores so they are very good at handling multi-threaded application like video editing and 3d rendering. AMD also have price advantage over similarly performing intel processors.

very simplified version...
AMD is "the cheap way to get high-end".
As Intel still offer better solutions even for multi-threaded applications.
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February 11, 2014 10:03:55 PM

jnewegger23 said:
Based on that budget you could get the i3 4340 but if you could bump that budget up just 15 euros then you could get yourself an i5 4430 which is where the fun really starts but again I'm not here to sway you away from your original direction but I've had nothing but great experiences with Intel. I see the value in AMD but I'm just not as familiar.

Pcpartpicker.com is a very useful tool: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#f=34&sort=a8
Great place to play with configurations. Not sure if it's applicable with the pricing for where you're at but gives you a good frame of reference regardless. Hope this all is helping.


This, I'd suggest saving up for the 4430 though as it is generations better, literally!
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February 12, 2014 9:15:28 AM

And7rey said:

Well , if I would buy an Intel CPU , unfortunately I don't know any good Intel Mobos

This guy. No PS/2 ports, but it would be cheaper to get this mobo with adapters than another that came with them already.

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My total budget is max 230 euros , If I spend more , I cannot buy a new iPhone until summer

The i5 3350P and the motherboard I linked add up to $270. $270 = €198. That's €30 less than your total budget, which would help compensate for shipping and/or differing prices.

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PS: the CPU u send doesn't seems to be much better than the FX 6350 http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3350P-vs-AMD-FX-6...

Websites like CPU Boss can be awesome, but sometimes they are misleading. This is a perfect example. Their rating algorithm rates the 6350 as equal to the 3350P because of its 6 cores. This really has no bearing on gaming peformance however, and the i5 will still come out on top.

That said, overclocking the 6350 or 6300 will bring you VERY close to the i5's performance, but to ensure a stable overclock you would have to drop a lot more money into a better motherboard and cooler, so you would end up getting the same performance for the same price anyway. Then factor in energy efficiency, although not a major factor, you will save some money by using the more efficient Intel CPU.

Now you may be wondering about Sandy Bridge vs Haswell, and I don't really have an answer for you. Honestly, I wouldn't buy a Haswell right now, but I'm also a cheap bastard. It depends on how much you care about the upgradeability of your PC vs. low initial cost. I think the performance difference is negligible enough to warrant getting an LGA 1155 CPU, like the 3350p, over a more expensive LGA 1150.

Food for thought: Since you have some extra room in your budget, look at getting the 3570K and overclocking it later, once you have more money. The motherboard I linked is supposed to be able to handle a decent overclock while still staying affordable. I would probably go this route, myself.

I hope that helps.

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February 12, 2014 1:35:22 PM

OP, I think donquixotemc is your best answer
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February 14, 2014 10:46:30 AM

DonQuixoteMC said:
And7rey said:

Well , if I would buy an Intel CPU , unfortunately I don't know any good Intel Mobos

This guy. No PS/2 ports, but it would be cheaper to get this mobo with adapters than another that came with them already.

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My total budget is max 230 euros , If I spend more , I cannot buy a new iPhone until summer

The i5 3350P and the motherboard I linked add up to $270. $270 = €198. That's €30 less than your total budget, which would help compensate for shipping and/or differing prices.

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PS: the CPU u send doesn't seems to be much better than the FX 6350 http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3350P-vs-AMD-FX-6...

Websites like CPU Boss can be awesome, but sometimes they are misleading. This is a perfect example. Their rating algorithm rates the 6350 as equal to the 3350P because of its 6 cores. This really has no bearing on gaming peformance however, and the i5 will still come out on top.

That said, overclocking the 6350 or 6300 will bring you VERY close to the i5's performance, but to ensure a stable overclock you would have to drop a lot more money into a better motherboard and cooler, so you would end up getting the same performance for the same price anyway. Then factor in energy efficiency, although not a major factor, you will save some money by using the more efficient Intel CPU.

Now you may be wondering about Sandy Bridge vs Haswell, and I don't really have an answer for you. Honestly, I wouldn't buy a Haswell right now, but I'm also a cheap bastard. It depends on how much you care about the upgradeability of your PC vs. low initial cost. I think the performance difference is negligible enough to warrant getting an LGA 1155 CPU, like the 3350p, over a more expensive LGA 1150.

Food for thought: Since you have some extra room in your budget, look at getting the 3570K and overclocking it later, once you have more money. The motherboard I linked is supposed to be able to handle a decent overclock while still staying affordable. I would probably go this route, myself.

I hope that helps.

DonQuixoteMC


I've got an NVIDIA Card and I don't really like MOBOs which not support SLI , can u find a MOBO with the same price and good quality? Someone spoken to me: 'Never go too cheap with mobos and psu-s' It costs only 80 euros , are you sure it's good? And the i5 3350P has only 3,1 GHz and 4 Cores , are you sure it's not going to bottleneck GTX 660 or for example if I buy a GTX 770 after 2 years?
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February 14, 2014 11:54:33 AM

^this is general hierarchy of cpu. i5 3350p is among the top tier cpu so no problem it can handle any gpu without noticeable bottleneck but keep in mind this cpu have no onboard graphics.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

Never go cheap on psu but u can go cheap on mobo as long as the brand is reliable like asus, asrock
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February 14, 2014 12:50:38 PM

If you want SLI for a 3350p, a z77 extreme4 is a nice option. I have had mine almost 2yrs now. :D  Since you are not overclocking, the extreme3 is also an option.
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February 14, 2014 1:47:33 PM

Raheel Hasan said:
^this is general hierarchy of cpu. i5 3350p is among the top tier cpu so no problem it can handle any gpu without noticeable bottleneck but keep in mind this cpu have no onboard graphics.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

Never go cheap on psu but u can go cheap on mobo as long as the brand is reliable like asus, asrock


Do I need to have a cpu with onboard graphics? Is it important? Sorry i'm a noob :D 
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February 14, 2014 2:43:44 PM

And7rey said:

Do I need to have a cpu with onboard graphics? Is it important? Sorry i'm a noob :D 

Not at all! You would if you weren't buying a graphics card for gaming however. It's almost better not to have integrated graphics (if you have a separate, discrete GPU), but I can't seem to remember the exact reasons...

I'm going to second what logainofhades suggested. I was looking into good boards for SLI and possibly overclocking earlier, and I ran accross the extreme 4. I'm glad he mentioned it, because I probably would have forgotten :p 

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February 14, 2014 2:52:15 PM

DonQuixoteMC said:
It's almost better not to have integrated graphics (if you have a separate, discrete GPU), but I can't seem to remember the exact reasons...

No, having a IGP will in no way give worse performance.
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February 15, 2014 2:31:18 AM

Unfortunately the i5 3350P and Z77 Extreme 4 cannot be found in the shops in my town so , what's the cheapest and safest german site? Do you know? :D  Becouse if I buy these things on an english site i'll have to pay much more shipping :S
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February 15, 2014 4:57:18 PM

And7rey said:
Unfortunately the i5 3350P and Z77 Extreme 4 cannot be found in the shops in my town so , what's the cheapest and safest german site? Do you know? :D  Becouse if I buy these things on an english site i'll have to pay much more shipping :S


I've seen this site consistently recommended for online shopping in Germany: http://www.mindfactory.de/

Sorry for only posting links to Newegg earlier. Hopefully these are more useful :p 
i5-3350P
ASRock Z77 Extreme 4

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February 15, 2014 6:33:48 PM

And7rey said:
Unfortunately the i5 3350P and Z77 Extreme 4 cannot be found in the shops in my town so , what's the cheapest and safest german site? Do you know? :D  Becouse if I buy these things on an english site i'll have to pay much more shipping :S


You can try to find what you are looking for here.

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
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February 16, 2014 6:17:08 AM

Thank you very much for your help :D 
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February 16, 2014 6:46:45 AM

And7rey said:
Thank you very much for your help :D 


No problem! Let us know if you have any other questions!
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February 17, 2014 12:51:32 PM

What are multi-thread games?
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February 17, 2014 1:52:36 PM

Crysis 3 and BF4 when in 64 man map mode are examples of games that can take advantage of many threads.
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