New PC $600 budget please

Nightmare515

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Hello all, I would like to build a new PC for less than $600. Here is my dilemma.

I was debating on buying a new Xbox 1 and a new computer. My current computer is an aging laptop that I have hooked up to my 50" smart tv (1920x1080). I sit on my couch with a wireless keyboard and use it. I figured it would be more cost effective to buy a new PC that can play a few games rather than a new console and a new PC.

I'm not a hardcore gamer by any means, I really only play my xbox 360 about once a week or so. I'm sure Ill play games a bit more if I have more available on the new PC but I am by no means trying to play Battlefield 4 on ultra high settings or anything. I will be using an xbox 360 controller to play games on the new PC from the couch. I dont have a computer desk setup for keyboard and mouse gaming and I don't want one, as I said I'm no hardcore gamer. I pretty much just want the PC to act like a console to where I can sit on the couch and play some games every once and awhile.

The main priority, however, is streaming videos (netflix, youtube, etc) and surfing the internet. I don't have cable so my laptop stays connected to my TV all the time and I watch shows and whatnot on there. I would like it to be fast enough to stream in 1080p to take advantage of my TV's resolution. I have a 30mbs internet connection but my laptop just flat out struggles to stream from most websites. My tablet seems to be about 3x as fast as my laptop.

I also have a 5.1 Logitech speaker system (I have it rigged to work on the laptop).

Although I'm not really a hardcore gamer I would like to be able to leave room to upgrade the PC in the future in case I want to play more games. I don't play games much because I don't have time, but in the future I may want to upgrade a few things to keep the PC somewhat current.

What I need: New PC, OS.
What I don't need: Keyboard, mouse, monitor. speakers

There is a local computer shop around here that I may visit but I would like to see what sort of parts you guys recommend before I go and talk to them.

Hopefully this is enough information, thank you in advance.
 
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Well to be honest I have never used NETFLIX. At the end of the day though, 1080p is still 1080p no matter how you stream it. There might be some slight differences between hardware and network streaming though you are probably never gonna notice them in any way.

Netflix:

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Bluray:

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So as you can see the differences are minor to negligible!

Nightmare515

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No I don't think so. I usually rent my movies online and stream them from vudu or hulu or netflix.

Quick question though, does a physical blu-ray player have better quality than streaming in 1080p or "super hd" or "hdx" or whatever other name they call it on sites like vudu or netflix? I've never actually seen what a bluray looks like on my tv to compare. And if there is a difference is it something I would even notice sitting on my couch?

 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($53.55 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Kingston XMP Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $588.44 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-13 12:13 EST-0500)

Here's my stab at it. Unfortunately, a lot of the savings are through mail-in rebate - it's $638.44 up front with $50 in mail-in rebate across several parts.
 

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Well to be honest I have never used NETFLIX. At the end of the day though, 1080p is still 1080p no matter how you stream it. There might be some slight differences between hardware and network streaming though you are probably never gonna notice them in any way.

Netflix:

edward_nf.jpg


Bluray:

edward_bd.jpg


So as you can see the differences are minor to negligible!
 
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Yeah I honestly can't tell the difference, it's nothing I would notice after a few seconds of viewing. I won't get a bluray player. Thank you.
 

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That is my suggestion:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI 760GMA-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($175.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $641.29
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-13 12:25 EST-0500)

The reason why I have chosen the above is because the 6300 is probably the best price/performance ratio CPU. It is a very powerful piece which will ensure liability and performance for years. Also I chose the HD7850 which is again a great performance/ratio card and went for 2GB instead of the 1GB variant since it is much more future proof. Also, I chose 8GB of RAM, though I could go for 6GB, but again it is more future proof as games become more and more demanding. I have not included an optical drive since you can install windows from a USB device using your old laptop and Microsoft's free software tool.

If you have any further queries I will be glad to help!
 

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What is the benefit of having a wirless card?

Right now I have a wireless router that sits on my entertainment center that I have hardlined to my computer. I was hoping that would help the old laptop with streaming (it didn't). My smart tv and my tablet are linked to the wireless router. Is there any benefit to having my new computer wireless rather than hardlined besides removing the cable?
 

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Really there is no point of having a wireless connection since you can connect your computer using the cable! Since you are watching through netflix or any other online stream engine it is recommended and much more convenient to have a stable, wired connection.
 

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Thank you very much for your prompt and thorough responses I really appreciate it.

Questions though, the optical drive is the cd/dvd drive right? Plus how do I install windows from the USB drive from my old laptop? I've never heard of that before. I'm assuming that would mean I don't need a new OS I can just use my old one? It's Windows 7 home 64bit from the laptop.

I see from your list that an OS is included. Do I still need the new one if I can use my old one?
 

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No problem. Yes the optical drive is the cd/dvd drive.

What I meant is that you can use your old laptop along with your new OS disk, to create a bootable USB flash. The flash drive will then be used in order to install the OS on your new computer (since I have not included an optical drive, the OS will be installed via a bootable flash).
 

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So I went to the local computer store just now and based on what I've read from you guys in this thread these computers they offered me seem to be bad deals. But I'll post just to confirm.

AMD FM2 3.6 Ghz Dual Core System
ATX Mit-Tower Case
Gigabyte AMD FM2 Motherboard
4GB DDR3 1600mhz Memory
AMD FM2 3.6 ghz dual core processor
Western Digital 500GB SATA Hard drive
DVDRW + Optical drive
Integrated Video card
Integrated 6 channel sound
Integrated LAN
1 Year warranty
Win 7 home premium 64 bit
USB Keyboard and mouse
Powered speakers
$579

Intel 1155 2.5 Ghz Celeron Dual core system

ATX Mid tower case
Socket 1155 DDR3 Motherboard
4 GB DDR3 1333mhz Memory
Intel 2.5ghz Celeron Dual Core Processor
Western DIgital 500GB SATA Hard Drive
DVDRW + Optical drive
Integrated Video card
Integrated 6 channel sound
Integrated LAN
1 year warranty
Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit

$559


Both of these seem very outdated and overpriced to me based on what little knowledge I have. Do you guys agree?
 

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Yes they are indeed HIGHLY overpriced. How can a dual core be better than a 6 core cpu, or how can 4gigs of ram be better than 8gigs? Are they really serious? These systems don't even have a discrete graphics card.

You can have those systems for like 250-300 bucks.
 

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Yeah I figured they were a huge ripoff. Glad I have you guys to to cross check people like that. Its sad that they prey on the uninformed, especially for being a local dealer.

What about this one that I found on Craigslist.

Case: CM HAF 922

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-MA790GPT-UD3H

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Quad Core
Over locked to 3.8GHz VERY stable!

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) (Total of 4gigs of RAM)
overclocked to 1600Mhz

GPU: New GTX 650

PSU: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified

HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA

Heatsink: Xigmatek Dark Knight (with push pull fans (x2 fans))

Optical Drive: LITE-ON 24X SATA iHAS424-98
Blu-Ray Reader: Lite-On

Mouse: Razer Salmosa

Keyboard: Logitech K750 Wireless Slim solar-powered

$650 OBO