Asus Gryphon z87 for i7 4770k ?

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Motherboard is mATX but beside that I'm not really good with mobos. Is this motherboard good for solid overclocking with EVO212 if that is even possible on this CPU ? I do have one GTX770 but 2GB so SLI it's kinda pointless, I'm not going to go for SLI anytime soon with this mobo so I just need confirmation.
 
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If you want a mATX board then there's MSI Z87M Gaming and ASRock z87M-OC Formula which are also solid boards. (OC Formula is slightly better than Gryphon and Z87M Gaming actually but tad expensive i guess) Even though Gryphon looks like it resembles Sabertooth, z87 Sabertooth itself is just using mid-range level components so it's not really worth that high prices.

If you don't want a mATX board then G55 is also a solid good board but in that level I'd suggest MSI z87-GD65. Better component quality, more stable overclocking...

But note that the overclocking potential mostly depends on your cpu. You might have the most expensive motherboard out there but if you have a bad cpu chip then you can't get far with overlocking.
 
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Believe me I learned more then I needed to know about overclocking and failing in overclocking due to faulty in both CPU and motherboard.

Since we have conversation here and seems liek that you know Intel well I will ask you couple questions.

I decided to go for Z87-G45 GAMING motherboard even though people say not to choose MSI due to QC issues even thoguh I'm not sure what exactly are they thinking.

If i7 4770k is average chip which I will get, how much can I hope to achieve with air cooling as its EVO212 ? I'm making upgrade from FX8350 but non-overclocked version literally, I was on 4.0 stock forever so I'm just wondering what can I achieve with EVO212, what is highest temperature in Prime95 which i need to be worried about ?

And is there actually a huge difference in lets say 500mhz oc on i7 4770k cpu ?

I was always for intel, but when I wasnt in budget I switched at AMD for 3 years so far and now I have some money so I could afford that mobo with this cpu. Unfortunately watercooling will wait couple months but I guess any overclock or even on stock I will get improvement in gaming comparing to my old FX8350.

We will talk later about SLI options since I upgraded my gpu aswel.
 
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Well I don't know what's that fuss (it's just one guy though) about the QC as well with RMA rates being so close and last year it's a high-end ASUS board RMA'ed most. Anyways...

As you know Haswells run tad hotter and Intel's recommended TCase for Haswell is 72.72C. That means running a 4770K 7/24 above that temperature is not safe. The cpu will start throttle itself at around the real danger zone though (around 100C) but still for long time use you need to stay below mid 70Cs. But it should be normal to see temperatures around 80Cs while using Prime95 since it's torturing the cpu like nothing else and also it uses the new AVX loads (means extra torture).

So it's really hard to push the limits with an air cooler. EVO212 is a decent cooler for its price though. I'm using it as well with a 4770K. And from I notice on my chip, temperatures are start rising dramatically after 1.21v. And the max frequency I've achieved under 1.2v is 4.4 GHz. And I'm around 70C under full load which is ok-ish for long time use i guess. While gaming it's not even close to 70C. So from my experience it's important to stay below 1.2v with an air cooler. But if you get a better chip by chance, then you could go even higher without pushing the voltage and temperature limit.

On the other hand; if you are only gaming then you won't really notice a performance difference with 500 MHz unless you use Fraps and will be happy with 2-3 fps difference. Even with Turbo disabled there was 3-4 fps difference between 3.5GHz and 4.4GHz in Battlefield 4 @ ultra settings+2xmsaa with my 7870 O.C and was constantly above 60fps. So well... But with video editing, graphic rendering or synthetic benchmarks you'll notice some good performance difference.
 
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I'm doing rendering for recorded video footage since I'm doing full walkthroughs/reviews on youtube. So casual render for about 4-5 hours in a row in Premiere is pretty much hardest thing which I'm doing at the moment.

For gaming I'm using only AA at 2x, other options like xmsaa/ambient o and so on I dont even care as long as details are maxed out. Playing only on 1080p resolution and mostly new games as they are released because I need to record them and start with streaming really soon aswel. If I'm playing something longer then 5-6 hours in a row that is pretty much Dota, CSGO or Football Manager so I'm not really stressing my CPU or GPU neither.

I was really satisfied with render speed in Premiere with fx8350 at stock, so even with only 4.0/4.2 with 4770k I believe that I will have improvement. I'm just looking for more futureproof options since I'm not going to get this amount of money for upgrade always, with average payment of 400$ this income from youtube is something crazy and I'm trying to buy something solid for next 2-3 years. For me personally 4.4 would be amazing number even though doesnt make difference.

Btw if cpu start to throttle, that is just temporarely right ? I mean if CPU somehow go on 100c and then temperature go down CPU is not really damaged if it only throttling ? Not really experianced and Intel looks more "heavy" in every aspect so i need to be careful.

Anyways I will try to go as much as I can with 1.2. Using liquid cooler to go over 4.4 then it's not really worth in terms of gaming if I'm going to get extra 400-500mhz.

I'm one of those gamers, even if I play game like Battlefield 4, I will turn down shadow on normal, I will turn down Post Processing, blur or even disable physics. I just love to enjoy in smooth 60 FPS with vsync turned ON and high details.
 
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Yes, it's a temporary throttle to cool down the cpu to prevent the damage.

You can hit 4.2 easily with an avarage chip. And even that jump would make a difference in rendering times etc. On the other hand there is no game around that give hard times to a 4770K, even Battlefield 4 is not that demanding. So in the future when more demanding games start hitting the shelves we'll see some more difference with overclocking. It will even help overcoming some bottleneck. But it's hard to predict when that will happen. Current gen. consoles are just not powerful enough to push any technical&graphical limits for gaming industry. And sadly the consoles are directing the gaming industry...
 
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