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February 15, 2014 12:03:03 PM

Much searching and no real answers...

Trying to get more FPS in BF4 and similar games at 5760x1080. I can play BF4 multiplayer on low or custom and get 30-40 average <Zavod, Paracel, Dam> (spikes into high 20 or up to 150+) but I'd like to get at least 60 average and ideally have some room to spare. Its higher on some maps but still not consistent at all.

Debating the 8350 and trying to OC to 4.7-4.9 and I can do that for about $200 or I can get the 9590 WITH water cooling and a newer UD3 for $500. I have a UD3 Rev 1.1 but the 9590 is only supported on Rev 4.0. The 8350 would drop right in.

I'm not opposed to intel alrenatives, but I'm all about FPS for the same or less money than above so an i79xx isnt really an option.

Current specs below-

Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1
AMD 1090T Black OC'd @ 3.9ghz
8GB Corsair Vengeance
VisionTek 7970ghz in CF w/ Gigabyte 7970ghz OC'd @ 1125/1500
3- acer 23" LED monitors in Eyefinity w/ a Hannspree 19" on top diagnostics, teamspeak etc
Samsung 840 PRO 256gb SSD
CoolerMaster Silent Pro 1000 PSU
Win 7 64bit

Thanks,
Rik

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February 15, 2014 12:08:23 PM

FX8350!!!
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February 15, 2014 12:11:21 PM

Id get an FX 8320 and overclock it :)  Best Bang for BUCk
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February 15, 2014 12:13:57 PM

have you tried with amd's mantle drivers in catalyst 14.1 beta yet? it'll only help in bf4 for now, though.
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February 15, 2014 12:14:09 PM

If you can afford it, get an I7 4770K. It's a a bit less than the 9590, I'd recommend it much more due to the fact you don't need insane liquid cooling/very specialist motherboard.

You can still oc it with a nice Z87 series mobo as well.
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February 15, 2014 12:18:29 PM

de5_Roy said:
have you tried with amd's mantle drivers in catalyst 14.1 beta yet? it'll only help in bf4 for now, though.

I have not... due to previous lack of eyefinity support or something but that may have changed in recent updates. I'll look again, thanks.

@ CTurbo based on anything in particular?

@ Danzas4321 - I looked at that one, but not sure I would really get much more than I'm getting now, given the average chips overclockability.

@ AshyCFC - The I7 4770K with an Z87-A LGA 1150 is only about $40 less than the 9590 with water cooling. Head-to-head, doesn't the 9590 top the 4770 by a fair margin?

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February 15, 2014 12:21:41 PM

Because we all know by now that you can buy the FX8350 for $200 and overclock it to become the FX9590. Of course you have to buy a good cooler, but it stills comes out way cheaper.
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February 15, 2014 12:26:52 PM

rik756 said:

I have not... due to previous lack of eyefinity support or something but that may have changed in recent updates. I'll look again, thanks.
Rik

ah. but when mantle adds eyefinity support, it should be useful to you.

btw, fx9590 is very poor value no matter what. for that money, an fx8350 is much better than 9590. however, i don't know how oc'ed fx8350 will perform compare to oc'ed hex core phenom. if you can get an fx8350 from a microcenter (if you live near one) or from a sale, it'd save you some money.
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February 15, 2014 12:29:24 PM

CTurbo said:
Because we all know by now that you can buy the FX8350 for $200 and overclock it to become the FX9590. Of course you have to buy a good cooler, but it stills comes out way cheaper.


Fair enough, I'm just never confident about how much OC I can get out of a chip. My 1090 is fine at 3.9 but hates me at 4.0. Given the speed I run it at, I tend to compare the stock clock of newer chips first. I would guess I could get and average of 4.5ghz out of the 8350 so given that along with the 2 extra cores, wondering how many additional FPS I'll really see.Thoughts on that?

Definitely leaning towards the easy drop in of the 8350 though.
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February 15, 2014 4:19:33 PM

de5_Roy said:
have you tried with amd's mantle drivers in catalyst 14.1 beta yet? it'll only help in bf4 for now, though.

Checked Mantle today, after your suggestion, and it's supported for my system now. Actually had some decent frame improvements with it. Thank you for the reminder. It did help!

@AshyCFC - Thank for the input. Just doing the 8350 was a bunch cheaper and a lot less hassle so we'll see how it goes.

Ordered the FX-8350 today. It'll be here Wednesday and installed by Thursday (I hope).

Thanks all!
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February 18, 2014 6:48:44 PM

So it looks like Newegg is advertising a Vishera core but shipping Zambezi cores as of late. Mine is supposed to be here tomorrow.

Two questions:

1. Is there any way to tell which core before I install it?
2. Is there enough performance difference between the two to warrant sending it back and making SURE I get a Vishera if I do end up with the Zambezi?

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February 18, 2014 7:10:15 PM

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1. Is there any way to tell which core before I install it?
2. Is there enough performance difference between the two to warrant sending it back and making SURE I get a Vishera if I do end up with the Zambezi?


Yes just make sure you get what you order. You ordered the FX8350, it will say it on the box and on the cpu itself.
Yes send it back if it's not right. Zambezi cpus are crap.

FX81xx = Zambezi
FX83xx = Vishera
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February 18, 2014 10:18:46 PM

CTurbo said:
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1. Is there any way to tell which core before I install it?
2. Is there enough performance difference between the two to warrant sending it back and making SURE I get a Vishera if I do end up with the Zambezi?


Yes just make sure you get what you order. You ordered the FX8350, it will say it on the box and on the cpu itself.
Yes send it back if it's not right. Zambezi cpus are crap.

FX81xx = Zambezi
FX83xx = Vishera


AHHH ok. Maybe the reviews are mixed up then. I was reading it as the 8350 Vishera was being advertised but they were shipping 8350 Zabezis which I believed just to be an earlier generation.

Thanks again. We'll see tomorrow!
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February 18, 2014 10:52:34 PM

You won't gain much going from an AMD six core to another AMD eight core. Save up for a six core Intel and LGA 2011 motherboard or save for better GPUs.
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February 19, 2014 5:40:49 AM

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You won't gain much going from an AMD six core to another AMD eight core. Save up for a six core Intel and LGA 2011 motherboard or save for better GPUs.


Well, you may be right but I sure hope you're not. Several above seem to think differently and the chip will be here today anyway.

As for GPU's, supposedly there's not TOO much out that is "supposed" to beat 2 7970's in CF. Nothing I found for my price point anyway.

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February 19, 2014 9:07:29 AM

Thanks all. I appreciate the info.

Slightly off topic- Since the 8350 supports higher FSB, debating buying - G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1866 to replace my current Corsair Vengeance 8 GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz.

Double the ram and a little faster. I do plan to OC at least a little.

Any thoughts on that?
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February 19, 2014 9:38:48 AM

If only gaming you don't need to upgrade your RAM.

If video editing then it's worth it.
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February 19, 2014 9:46:52 AM

AshyCFC said:
If only gaming you don't need to upgrade your RAM.

If video editing then it's worth it.


Yea just gaming.

Thanks.
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February 19, 2014 9:57:01 AM

Ok- so at $400 for ram and an 8350... Is there some other mobo/CPU combo, video card or so something else that I would see a greater improvement with? Open to all suggestions in the $400 range based on current setup.

Thanks.
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February 19, 2014 10:11:54 AM

You aren't buying a new board are you?

The 990FXA-UD3 is fine for the 8350(infact VERY good)

I'd spend some money on a nice cooler for the 8350, the stock is awful.

I'd get a Noctua NH-D14 if your case fits it or a CM 212 evo if you need smaller.
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February 19, 2014 10:21:31 AM

AshyCFC said:
You aren't buying a new board are you?

The 990FXA-UD3 is fine for the 8350(infact VERY good)

I'd spend some money on a nice cooler for the 8350, the stock is awful.

I'd get a Noctua NH-D14 if your case fits it or a CM 212 evo if you need smaller.


Current plan is just to upgrade the cup to the 8350. Debated ram upgrade but may be a waste of money. Already have a hyper 212 with push/pull fans.

Was just wondering if there was a better "overall" upgrade for $400 for gaming purposes.
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February 19, 2014 10:58:26 AM

Mantle is your best solution.Even with the 4770K you would still get FPS drops in multiplayer.
You need a better cooler.Hyper212 is great for a quad core....terrible for Phenom IIX6's overclocked and FX 8 cores.
That was the reason you could not get over 3.9GHz more than likely.My vote would be one of the better all-in-one water coolers.
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February 19, 2014 11:01:17 AM

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Mantle is your best solution.Even with the 4770K you would still get FPS drops in multiplayer.
You need a better cooler.Hyper212 is great for a quad core....terrible for Phenom IIX6's overclocked and FX 8 cores.
That was the reason you could not get over 3.9GHz more than likely.My vote would be one of the better all-in-one water coolers.


That's not a bad idea. Maybe I'll look at a water block instead of the ram.

Tried Mantle. LOVED IT!! Huge FPS increase.

But alas... It crashed every 15-20 minutes....
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February 19, 2014 11:11:42 AM

The CM 212 EVO is vastly superior to the stock 8350 cooler bare in mind.

In terms of overclocking it's not the best but definitely not awful.
I'd look at the Noctua NH-D14 if OCing (if you've got the space) or you can go with liquid cooling.
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February 19, 2014 11:58:04 AM

AshyCFC said:
The CM 212 EVO is vastly superior to the stock 8350 cooler bare in mind.

In terms of overclocking it's not the best but definitely not awful.
I'd look at the Noctua NH-D14 if OCing (if you've got the space) or you can go with liquid cooling.


If I'm going to spend any more on cooling, it might as well be liquid. Just makes more sense at this point.

Thanks.
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February 19, 2014 12:03:13 PM

Why?

The noctua performs very well and quieter than liquid, especially against pricier liquid cooling such as the H100i
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February 19, 2014 12:16:25 PM

AshyCFC said:
Why?

The noctua performs very well and quieter than liquid, especially against pricier liquid cooling such as the H100i


After a little more looking around per your suggestion, you are absolutely correct. Just about everything I saw said the Noctua compares to most of the liquids I've looked at. They either dont cool as much, much more or have leaking, noise, fan or software issues. Pretty bizarre. I got the chip in tonight, I'll try to drop it in tomorrow and at least see how much I can get on the 212 and make sure I have the room in the case.

Very solid recommendation though. Thank you.

Rik
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February 20, 2014 5:16:21 AM

Dropped in the 8350. No issues for first boot last night but it had a little hiccup this morning. Not sure what the deal was but had to reset 2-3 times to get it to go. Seems fine now though... Sadly, no really noticeable difference in boot times. Bout to throw BF4 at it and see what happens.

Idle temp is 20-30c and Prime pushes it to 47-51 on the hottest core. Admittedly, I didn't even change the thermal paste yet. I just left what was on the cooler (hyper 212) I wanted to make sure it would boot so I expect to drop another 3-5c when I clean out the case and paste it correctly.

I'll try it like this for a few days and then I'll see if I can get it to 5ghz. That's probably when I'll have to throw in the Noctua. Speaking of, does anyone know of a good thread for OC'ing a GA-990FXA-UD3 with the 8350? Its been so long since I OC'd, I dont even remember which settings to tweak at the moment.

I appreciate all the feedback everyone, thank you.

Rik

UPDATE HERE:
I've got to have something wrong somewhere... My Windows score dropped from 7.6 to 7.5 and only shows 3 cores. COU-Z only shows six cores and there is no noticeable performance difference even at boot. Still 40+ seconds from power on to desktop.

I cleared cmos, loaded optimized defaults, reset the achi, turned off all the power saving crap and boost. Uninstalled all AMD drivers and re-installed the latest WHQL drivers. Not sure what else could be wrong.



Device manager shows all 8 but the test didn't and neither does core temp (latest version)
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February 20, 2014 11:54:18 AM

CPU parking? You may need some hotfixes, I know the Bulldozer/Steamroller architecture acts oddly in Windows 7 out of the box. I also believe Windows addresses each module as a single core with two threads.
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February 20, 2014 11:57:14 AM

did you update your bios to fx-compatible one or was your bios updated prior to fx installing? check your mobo's bios version and gigabyte's, see if you have older one.
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February 20, 2014 12:26:44 PM

Hi, you probably need to update your BIOS for Vishera CPUS (FX-*3**) Processors.

Try that, it should fix it.
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February 20, 2014 1:47:45 PM

Booting times come from your hard drive so changing cpus is not going to affect it. Updating your BIOS as mentioned above should solve other issues.
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February 20, 2014 7:24:08 PM

Using F9 bios which are the latest non-beta. Not sure what else to do. I searched for "hotfixes" and didn't see anything I thought applied. How exactly do you search for those?
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February 20, 2014 7:53:35 PM

bygbyron3 said:
rik756 said:
Using F9 bios which are the latest non-beta. Not sure what else to do. I searched for "hotfixes" and didn't see anything I thought applied. How exactly do you search for those?
You might already have them as Windows updates, but these are the two I found:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2646060


Good call! Thank you...

Just installed them both. I did in fact find 2 cores parked before the install, but Perf manager / cpu still only sees cores 0-5. None of them are parked, but still only 6.
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February 20, 2014 8:06:54 PM

AshyCFC said:
The 8350 is much faster than the 1090T check out the benchmarks for yourself.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-a... - Here's a set of benchmarks for the performance of the FX-8350 as a CPU(non gaming)

Here's some stats/numbers for FX-8350 vs 1090T

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/331/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8...
Isn't that is because it has a 25% higher clockspeed? I was under the impression that the Deneb/Thuban IPC is still faster than Bulldozer.
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February 20, 2014 8:14:05 PM

Thuban does have a much better IPC than Bulldozer, but AMD closed the gap a lot with Piledriver.
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February 20, 2014 8:14:50 PM

rik756 said:
bygbyron3 said:
rik756 said:
Using F9 bios which are the latest non-beta. Not sure what else to do. I searched for "hotfixes" and didn't see anything I thought applied. How exactly do you search for those?
You might already have them as Windows updates, but these are the two I found:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2646060


Good call! Thank you...

Just installed them both. I did in fact find 2 cores parked before the install, but Perf manager / cpu still only sees cores 0-5. None of them are parked, but still only 6.
Found these on another forum, they might be the same thing:
http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Windows%207/Windows%20Ser...

http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Windows%207/Windows%20Ser...
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February 20, 2014 8:22:39 PM

Thuban i think is faster or very similar dont remember, but i saw a minor difference in fps from going from a 3.7ghz 1055t to a 4ghz 8320, and even in single thread and multi threaded tests.

Go into MSconfig and see if under boot up and advanced that its not set to 6 six cores from the x6. I had that problem when i installed my 8320 into my second pc which had a x2 555, msconfig had 2 cores on boot. Same thing happened when my friend went from an athlon II x2 240 to his x4 945. Other than checking bios for core calibration and unlocking check that and windows if the hotfixes didnt work
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February 20, 2014 8:30:50 PM

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Thuban i think is faster or very similar dont remember, but i saw a minor difference in fps from going from a 3.7ghz 1055t to a 4ghz 8320, and even in single thread and multi threaded tests.

Go into MSconfig and see if under boot up and advanced that its not set to 6 six cores from the x6. I had that problem when i installed my 8320 into my second pc which had a x2 555, msconfig had 2 cores on boot. Same thing happened when my friend went from an athlon II x2 240 to his x4 945. Other than checking bios for core calibration and unlocking check that and windows if the hotfixes didnt work


Installed straight chipset driver from Gigabyte and seems to have fixed the problem. Everything seems to see all 8 cores now!

I was under the "assumption" that the AMD driver suite did the chipset but apparently not!

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February 21, 2014 10:50:27 AM

After a clean Win7 install, fresh drivers etc. Everything is running like a charm! BF4 plays on ultra at 1920x1080 with 70-100+fps on a single GPU. Still only in the 60-70 on 5760x1080 but I can live with that. Have a little faster ram and a Noctua HD-14 that'll be here today.

Several hours of P95 never got it over 57c so I'll need the cooling to get any OC out of it but its a start! Granted, I still didn't apply the thermal paste yet lol.

I really appreciate all the input. Good call on the 8350. Huge difference, thank you. Good call on the Noctua too! The hotfixes corrected any scheduling and parking issues. Thanks!

Thanks all,
Rik
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April 6, 2014 6:16:36 AM

Hi rik756 I have a question for you about your PC when you had the 1090T.

I have almost the same PC but a AMD Sapphire OC 7950 Vapor-X instead of 2 7970
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1
AMD 1090T Black OC'd @ 3.9ghz
8GB Corsair Vengeance
VisionTek 7970ghz in CF w/ Gigabyte 7970ghz OC'd @ 1125/1500

I want to upgrade the performance with a second AMD 7950 but the people say to me that with the 1090T I will have bottleneck with 2x7950, can you tell me what about your experience? Will be fine if I put a second 7950?

My other option is change the 1090T for a 8350 but I think that the performance will be much better with a second 7950 instead of a new CPU.

Thanks
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April 6, 2014 6:25:04 AM

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Hi rik756 I have a question for you about your PC when you had the 1090T.

I have almost the same PC but a AMD Sapphire OC 7950 Vapor-X instead of 2 7970
Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1
AMD 1090T Black OC'd @ 3.9ghz
8GB Corsair Vengeance
VisionTek 7970ghz in CF w/ Gigabyte 7970ghz OC'd @ 1125/1500

I want to upgrade the performance with a second AMD 7950 but the people say to me that with the 1090T I will have bottleneck with 2x7950, can you tell me what about your experience? Will be fine if I put a second 7950?

My other option is change the 1090T for a 8350 but I think that the performance will be much better with a second 7950 instead of a new CPU.

Thanks


I guess it depends on your useage. If you play offline games (typically GPU intense), a second video card may be the better solution. If you play a lot of online games (often CPU intense) I would go with the CPU. Sadly I do believe the 1090 will be the bottleneck if you go CF right now. Going to the 8350 wasn't the silver bullet I really hoped for but it did make a HUGE difference and its an all-around difference. Not just gaming.

Hope that helps.

Rik
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April 6, 2014 6:39:30 AM

Thanks for the answer, in my case it would be for offline games. In the economic side, if I upgrade to a second 7950 I would have to change also for a most powerfull power suply so the cost could be arround 375€ and if I only change the CPU it would be "only" 155€. BUT I don´t now if the improvement in FPS will be enough to worth the 155€ or not.
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April 6, 2014 6:45:09 AM

Dunkam69 said:
Thanks for the answer, in my case it would be for offline games. In the economic side, if I upgrade to a second 7950 I would have to change also for a most powerfull power suply so the cost could be arround 375€ and if I only change the CPU it would be "only" 155€. BUT I don´t now if the improvement in FPS will be enough to worth the 155€ or not.


I think you will still see a noticeable improvement in games and as a bonus, in everything else. Just make sure to update your chipset drivers from the manufacturer website, not just using the AMD drivers from AMD.
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