AMD 1090T vs 8350 vs 9590

rik756 · Feb 15, 2014

Much searching and no real answers...

Trying to get more FPS in BF4 and similar games at 5760x1080. I can play BF4 multiplayer on low or custom and get 30-40 average <Zavod, Paracel, Dam> (spikes into high 20 or up to 150+) but I'd like to get at least 60 average and ideally have some room to spare. Its higher on some maps but still not consistent at all.

Debating the 8350 and trying to OC to 4.7-4.9 and I can do that for about $200 or I can get the 9590 WITH water cooling and a newer UD3 for $500. I have a UD3 Rev 1.1 but the 9590 is only supported on Rev 4.0. The 8350 would drop right in.

I'm not opposed to intel alrenatives, but I'm all about FPS for the same or less money than above so an i79xx isnt really an option.

Current specs below-

Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1
AMD 1090T Black OC'd @ 3.9ghz
8GB Corsair Vengeance
VisionTek 7970ghz in CF w/ Gigabyte 7970ghz OC'd @ 1125/1500
3- acer 23" LED monitors in Eyefinity w/ a Hannspree 19" on top diagnostics, teamspeak etc
Samsung 840 PRO 256gb SSD
CoolerMaster Silent Pro 1000 PSU
Win 7 64bit

Thanks,
Rik

CTurbo · Feb 15, 2014

FX8350!!!

Danzas4321 · Feb 15, 2014

Id get an FX 8320 and overclock it

Best Bang for BUCk

de5_Roy · Feb 15, 2014

have you tried with amd's mantle drivers in catalyst 14.1 beta yet? it'll only help in bf4 for now, though.

AshyCFC · Feb 15, 2014

If you can afford it, get an I7 4770K. It's a a bit less than the 9590, I'd recommend it much more due to the fact you don't need insane liquid cooling/very specialist motherboard.

You can still oc it with a nice Z87 series mobo as well.

rik756 · Feb 15, 2014

de5_Roy :

I have not... due to previous lack of eyefinity support or something but that may have changed in recent updates. I'll look again, thanks.

@ CTurbo based on anything in particular?

@ Danzas4321 - I looked at that one, but not sure I would really get much more than I'm getting now, given the average chips overclockability.

@ AshyCFC - The I7 4770K with an Z87-A LGA 1150 is only about $40 less than the 9590 with water cooling. Head-to-head, doesn't the 9590 top the 4770 by a fair margin?

Rik

CTurbo · Feb 15, 2014

Because we all know by now that you can buy the FX8350 for $200 and overclock it to become the FX9590. Of course you have to buy a good cooler, but it stills comes out way cheaper.

de5_Roy · Feb 15, 2014

rik756 :

ah. but when mantle adds eyefinity support, it should be useful to you.

btw, fx9590 is very poor value no matter what. for that money, an fx8350 is much better than 9590. however, i don't know how oc'ed fx8350 will perform compare to oc'ed hex core phenom. if you can get an fx8350 from a microcenter (if you live near one) or from a sale, it'd save you some money.

rik756 · Feb 15, 2014

CTurbo :

Fair enough, I'm just never confident about how much OC I can get out of a chip. My 1090 is fine at 3.9 but hates me at 4.0. Given the speed I run it at, I tend to compare the stock clock of newer chips first. I would guess I could get and average of 4.5ghz out of the 8350 so given that along with the 2 extra cores, wondering how many additional FPS I'll really see.Thoughts on that?

Definitely leaning towards the easy drop in of the 8350 though.

AshyCFC · Feb 15, 2014

In flat CPU performance benchmarks such as on this chart:

http://cdn.overclock.net/c/c4/c422364c_f4e2.jpeg - the 9590 wins.

In games the 4770k wins.

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/FX-9590/FX-9590-67.jpg

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/CPU/FX-9590/FX-9590-74.jpg

the 4770K also eats much less power.

The 8350 is a good mid priced processor as well, I have the little brother fx-8320 and it's fine.

rik756 · Feb 15, 2014

de5_Roy :

Checked Mantle today, after your suggestion, and it's supported for my system now. Actually had some decent frame improvements with it. Thank you for the reminder. It did help!

@AshyCFC - Thank for the input. Just doing the 8350 was a bunch cheaper and a lot less hassle so we'll see how it goes.

Ordered the FX-8350 today. It'll be here Wednesday and installed by Thursday (I hope).

Thanks all!

rik756 · Feb 18, 2014

So it looks like Newegg is advertising a Vishera core but shipping Zambezi cores as of late. Mine is supposed to be here tomorrow.

Two questions:

1. Is there any way to tell which core before I install it?
2. Is there enough performance difference between the two to warrant sending it back and making SURE I get a Vishera if I do end up with the Zambezi?

Thanks,

CTurbo · Feb 18, 2014

1. Is there any way to tell which core before I install it?
2. Is there enough performance difference between the two to warrant sending it back and making SURE I get a Vishera if I do end up with the Zambezi?

Yes just make sure you get what you order. You ordered the FX8350, it will say it on the box and on the cpu itself.
Yes send it back if it's not right. Zambezi cpus are crap.

FX81xx = Zambezi
FX83xx = Vishera

rik756 · Feb 19, 2014

CTurbo :

AHHH ok. Maybe the reviews are mixed up then. I was reading it as the 8350 Vishera was being advertised but they were shipping 8350 Zabezis which I believed just to be an earlier generation.

Thanks again. We'll see tomorrow!

bygbyron3 · Feb 19, 2014

You won't gain much going from an AMD six core to another AMD eight core. Save up for a six core Intel and LGA 2011 motherboard or save for better GPUs.

rik756 · Feb 19, 2014

bygbyron3 :

Well, you may be right but I sure hope you're not. Several above seem to think differently and the chip will be here today anyway.

As for GPU's, supposedly there's not TOO much out that is "supposed" to beat 2 7970's in CF. Nothing I found for my price point anyway.

Rik

AshyCFC · Feb 19, 2014

The 8350 is much faster than the 1090T check out the benchmarks for yourself.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/2 - Here's a set of benchmarks for the performance of the FX-8350 as a CPU(non gaming)

Here's some stats/numbers for FX-8350 vs 1090T

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/331/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8350_vs_AMD_Phenom_II_X6_1090T.html

rik756 · Feb 19, 2014

Thanks all. I appreciate the info.

Slightly off topic- Since the 8350 supports higher FSB, debating buying - G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1866 to replace my current Corsair Vengeance 8 GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz.

Double the ram and a little faster. I do plan to OC at least a little.

Any thoughts on that?

AshyCFC · Feb 19, 2014

If only gaming you don't need to upgrade your RAM.

If video editing then it's worth it.

rik756 · Feb 19, 2014

AshyCFC :

Yea just gaming.

Thanks.

rik756 · Feb 19, 2014

Ok- so at $400 for ram and an 8350... Is there some other mobo/CPU combo, video card or so something else that I would see a greater improvement with? Open to all suggestions in the $400 range based on current setup.

Thanks.

AshyCFC · Feb 19, 2014

You aren't buying a new board are you?

The 990FXA-UD3 is fine for the 8350(infact VERY good)

I'd spend some money on a nice cooler for the 8350, the stock is awful.

I'd get a Noctua NH-D14 if your case fits it or a CM 212 evo if you need smaller.

rik756 · Feb 19, 2014

AshyCFC :

Current plan is just to upgrade the cup to the 8350. Debated ram upgrade but may be a waste of money. Already have a hyper 212 with push/pull fans.

Was just wondering if there was a better "overall" upgrade for $400 for gaming purposes.

redwoodz · Feb 19, 2014

Mantle is your best solution.Even with the 4770K you would still get FPS drops in multiplayer.
You need a better cooler.Hyper212 is great for a quad core....terrible for Phenom IIX6's overclocked and FX 8 cores.
That was the reason you could not get over 3.9GHz more than likely.My vote would be one of the better all-in-one water coolers.

rik756 · Feb 19, 2014

redwoodz :

That's not a bad idea. Maybe I'll look at a water block instead of the ram.

Tried Mantle. LOVED IT!! Huge FPS increase.

But alas... It crashed every 15-20 minutes....

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