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Hey guys, I am going to be my first ever gaming pc build, and I'm questioning these parts. I plan on doing YouTube, streaming games, and playing steam games. The games that I would be playing are, Minecraft, DayZ Standalone, Arma 3, and many more. My questions are:
1) About how much FPS will I get in these games?
2) About how much FPS will I get if I run with fraps?
3) About how long will these parts last me?
4) Will I need to upgrade soon?
(I might ask more questions if you answer)
Heres the build:

CPU AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+
Memory G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866
Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM
Video Card Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB
Case Cooler Master Elite 431 Plus (Black) ATX Mid Tower
Power Supply XFX 550W ATX12V / EPS12V
Optical Drive Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)
 
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1. you should be able to get a constant 50-60 if you play these games on high ish, Minecraft is not particularly graphic heavy, but it can possibly bring your CPU to it's knees, same with Arma 3 (except arma 3 has intensive graphics all the while), though a nice overclock should alleviate the problem somewhat.
2. FPS will be terrible if you only have 1 hard drive, get a smaller 2nd one or an external hard drive and record to it (and don't forget to change the video recording settings, default is set to 30FPS I believe), for most people using FRAPS, the hard drive is the main bottleneck.
3. they will last you a good few years if you don't mind lower settings when your system starts to age (a system from 3-4 years ago can run the latest...
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1. you should be able to get a constant 50-60 if you play these games on high ish, Minecraft is not particularly graphic heavy, but it can possibly bring your CPU to it's knees, same with Arma 3 (except arma 3 has intensive graphics all the while), though a nice overclock should alleviate the problem somewhat.
2. FPS will be terrible if you only have 1 hard drive, get a smaller 2nd one or an external hard drive and record to it (and don't forget to change the video recording settings, default is set to 30FPS I believe), for most people using FRAPS, the hard drive is the main bottleneck.
3. they will last you a good few years if you don't mind lower settings when your system starts to age (a system from 3-4 years ago can run the latest and greatest games at lower settings so that should be the case here also)
4. that will depend on your preference, if you don't mind lower settings as your system ages you won't need to upgrade anytime soon.
 
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So for Arma 3, if I overclock my CPU how much of a difference would it make if I did overclock it?
Also thank you for the reply, I might have more questions!
 
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it make a huge difference because FX 6300 singular cores are weak (because they can run processes in parallel well, multithreading)

overclocking of the CPU doesn't usually give much benefits in games because the main load is on the GPU, but arma is special. your motherboard is a good overclocker with good heat protection and a wide 8+2 power design, if you can get it up to about 4.4Ghz you should see a sizable difference, if you get lucky with the silicon and manage it to about 4.7 or 4.8Ghz it would be on par with an i5 at stock (while being way better at multithreaded applications), which will be enough to give you a completely smooth experience

and ask away :) I don't mind answering questions
 
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Hahaha okay, I might ask a ton because I'm such a noob at this xD
So for my motherboard how high should I overclock my CPU that would be safe and not like "kill" it?
And you say get lucky with the silicon what do you mean by that?
 
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the proper way to overclock in a nutshell would be to do small increases of the multiplier and Vcore step by step until you hit a point where you just blue screen while performing regular tasks, or are unable to run a stress test for a very long time. I would say do the research before getting into it :) it makes for a much smoother experience when you're not stressed out about frying your PC!

and by the silicon I mean that some CPUs are manufactured with good luck and are able to handle high clock rates without producing a ton of heat. Those chips can go to crazy overclocking heights on a low level air cooler.
 
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Okay that basically settles my overclocking questions, but one more, this cpu cooler is good by what I've heard and would this be a good cooler to overclock my cpu to keep it nice and cool or no?
But you said that the main load will be on my GPU be able to handle arma and the other games on meduim to highish graphics without having trouble? and also is it possible to overclock a GPU though?
 
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yes, the cooler master hyper 212 Evo is a quality budget cooler that performs beyond its price tag, I've seen it keep CPUs frosty even at a medium-high level overclock, I've seen people take the FX 6300 up to about 4.7Ghz while still keeping it decently cool so there's that.

yeah a GTX 760 is a really nice mid ranged graphics card, it'll handle most things on the graphics side so you won't have to worry about that, it is possible to overclock a GPU, but it's a bit different and a bit easier, most graphics cards nowadays come factory overclocked already so you usually don't have to do a thing. To manually do it just use a program like MSI afterburner (which is also a nice tool to keep track of temperatures with) to tweak the clocks, but most of the time if you get a GPU from a reputable brand it'll come overclocked for you and will run with no problems
 
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Oh okay cool thanks, I think this is my last question I don't know yet so be prepared xD.
So for this GPU I wouldn't really need to OC it because it is a nice card, but I would still get good constant FPS correct? Also do you have this GPU or atleast had it in one of your computers and played games like these? And one more question for the CPU, if I were to record with fraps or dxtory would I still need to OC the CPU ??
 
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yes you'll get some decent frames in these games, I have a slightly stronger GTX 670 in my computer (your GTX 760 is just a slightly downgraded 670) and it runs these games without issue, I haven't tried DayZ standalone yet but I have ran minecraft and arma 3 (but my CPU is an i7 Haswell so that may have something to do with it). But if you look at the raw hardware of both these graphics cards, you really don't have to worry about a thing, they're strong.

And yes, FRAPS is largely a single thread process so you'll need some extra juice for an AMD FX CPU to run it better, but remember though fraps is hard drive bottlenecked so be sure to record it to a 2nd hard drive
 
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I built my first PC a year ago for the same reasons Youtube, Streaming and Steam games and the FX-6300 had a very hard time with streaming and recording demanding games. I ended up returning it and getting the FX-8350 and I love it. Arma 3 and DayZ are very demanding and with that set up you will get very low FPS when trying to stream or record those games. If you have the $ I would recommend upgrading to the FX-8350 and a R9 290 or GTX 770. Also I have that Mobo and I can't get a stable OC to hold. If I could go back I would have got any ASUS ROG board instead but that is just my opinion. One last thing is I wouldn't recommend FRAPS at all. It has very few recording options and slows your PC down a lot. I use Mirillis Action and even recording in 1080 I don't see much fps drop at all and it doesn't limit your game FPS to what you are recording in. Sorry if this is to much info but I was right where you are about a year ago and learned a lot the hard way so just thought I would give you some info. Good luck man
 
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No man you're fine hahaha, good thing you talked about your experience. So how much FPS do you get while you record these games? And if I did get the GTX 770 & FX8350 how much of a difference would that make? And are asus mobos more expensive?
 
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Hmm I see, so I think I'm going to lean with a better CPU like the FX-8350 like racatat said, but I don't know if I have enough money to do that right now. If bought the FX-6300 and later upgraded to the FX-8350, could I still use the same mobo and the same other parts correct?
 
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Also sorry I didn't ask this in the first reply but, what do you mean an Asus ROG board? I'm looking at some on PCPartPicker and I don't see any Asus boards that say ROG on them.
 
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upgrading from the 6300 to 8320 is not worth, get one or the other from the get go and stick with it.

FPS is terrible while recording because as I've said before, the hard disk drive bottlenecks everything, if you try to make your disk drive read and write that much information from 2 different sources at the same time you're gonna have a bad time.
 
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Oh okay but isnt like recording and playing games multi-tasking on a CPU? Also do you mind sending a link that the disk drive bottlenecks and reduces the FPS?
 
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yes but I mean it's not worth it to get the FX 6300 then sell it to upgrade to a FX 8320 later, because that would mean spending 200+ dollars on a FX 8320 and at that point you might as well have gotten an Intel CPU in the first place. If you plan to get the FX 6300 stick with it, if you want the FX 8320 get it now rather than later.

As for FRAPS being a hard drive bottleneck:
https://frapsforum.com/threads/recording-on-a-second-hard-drive.253/
http://www.overclock.net/t/1210576/5400rpm-bottleneck-and-making-fraps-lag
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1190912-What-s-my-bottleneck-Fraps-HDD-issue

there isn't a readily available chart, but the evidence is pretty clear cut, if you try to read and write tons of data from 1 single hard drive, you'll encounter problems.

those people also talk about CPU being the problem, and while that's true to an extent because FRAPS is a single thread program and will need decent single thread performance from a CPU to run smoothly, once you get past the CPU problem it becomes a hard drive problem
 
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Okay I see now, so I don't think I will get the 8350 or 8320, In a couple years I'll get them I guess haha and make a new whole build when I have a job. So basically if I just overclock my 6300 just a bit to like 4.4 GHz or something I should be fine? Along with an external hard drive to record with? And that will result in decent FPS correct?
 
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Okay, then if Fraps runs smoothly, that would mean good FPS I'm guessing?
 
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yup, with the 2nd hard drive running fraps, you don't have to worry about it taking up the data transfer in your first hard drive where the OS and games are located, so it won't have to split up it's read and write power between the games and fraps. Assuming your system can handle the game in question, you should see smooth frame rates
 
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My FPS is flawless. I only have one hard drive. ?
 
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Oh what CPU do you have and GPU? Also do you record with anything?
 
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Okay and would an external harddrive be expensive ish? or no?
 
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