Yet another 8350 or 9370

Cyber-Freak · Feb 21, 2014

I'm considering doing some gradual upgrading.
I'm currently using a Phenom II 4x 965 on an ASUS M4A89GTD-Pro/USB3.

I'm choosing between the 8350, and the 9370... I've read elsewhere that I should probably be considering the 8350 and not the 9370 due to overclocking.
I haven't YET chosen a new mobo, but any recommendations would obviously be appreciated.

In Canada I'm considering 3 main sources for each.
EDIT: (8350) | (9370) | (8320)
NCIX $219.99 | 239.99 | 174.99
NewEgg $209.99 | 291.99 | 149.99
TigerDirect $204.99 | 249.97 | 159.97

With the $35 difference in lowest prices, should I still be considering the 8350?
Looked at the Prices for the 8320, kinda nice, but I still want the best performance.

Other Specs
Case Thermaltake M9 - http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002080
Cooler Thermaltake SpinQ - http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001242
Ram - 12GB PC-10666 (1333) - http://poweredbymushkin.com/index.php/component/djcatalog2/item?id=168:998770&cid=3:silverline
GPU - XFX Radeon HD 7870
PSU - Ultra LSP 750w - http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3276567&CatId=2533

vmN · Feb 21, 2014

Non of those, get 8320

WaSquids · Feb 21, 2014

I'm not sure a 9370 would run on that mobo (200w or so) it says 140max, i would out of those 3 go for the 8320, however that is an older chipset so might not work. The 9370 is a cherry picked/overclocked chip that used to be a 8350. I would suggest reading more into that mobo+cpu aswell to make sure it will run. I would put no more than a 8320 in that mobo (was surprised it might be able to support it) Still, should read up a bit to decide.

You normally need a decent 970 board or higher (esp for oc'ing) minimum, such as the ass m5a97 (or evo)

I found here someone testing it, with a 8320 with a bios update (&i think a max oc to 4.0 then throttled :

http://www.overclock.net/t/1326459/m4a89td-pro-and-a-fx-6100-fx-8320-test-results

asking a similar question

http://www.overclock.net/t/1352307/fx-8320-or-8350

I would possibly say maybe grab a better psu such as a Seasonic 500-600w, an xfx, antec or 'some' corsair (i'm not sure how god that psu is)

Hope it helps.

Cyber-Freak · Feb 21, 2014

To clarify... I haven't yet chosen a new motherboard, I'm looking at some 990's

WaSquids · Feb 21, 2014

Ah ok, well if you are wanting a new mobo it depends on price, for a 970 chipset m5a97 evo is very good for a stable oc (the m5a97 r2 is ok, but a little less oc due to 4+1 phases) Some gigabytes have problems (throttling) so best to check up on that. Although i was looking at the new UD3P recently. I would avoid Msi on the am3+ altogether currently, but that's just my opinion

for a 990 the asus are good (m99x etc.. &sabertooths) and a few of the gigabytes (some have quite a few revisions)

I hope it helps!

Cyber-Freak · Feb 21, 2014

Thanks, it certainly helps in choosing something to eventually sink the chip in.

Aside from vmN's suggestion, It still seems the 8350 might be a worthy contender to use.

I understand that the chips might come from the same bin as all the others, but they're labeled and packaged that way due to internal testing at AMD. So to err on caution, OC'ing the 8350 closer to 5Ghz would be easier to do (at least to reach 4.8Ghz) than it would be with the 8320.

Probably sink it in the current motherboard for the hell of it. Going by that logic however, I still haven't put my current CPU through the ringer and OC'd it at all.

vmN · Feb 21, 2014

I don't see why OCing a 8350 would be easier than OCing a 8320?
I would still recommend 8320 over the 8350 or any of the 9xxx series FX cpus.

WaSquids · Feb 21, 2014

Just make sure you get a stable mobo for those chips first i reckon. You might get a decent 8350& a 5.0ghz oc, but you might not aswell

It was probably more likely before amd started to sort through them. The 8350 is fine to get if you want, it's all down to budget really. Personally if money was tight i'd get a 8320&put the saving of the 9370 to a soilid psu (500-600w) Seasonic, xfx, antec or some cosairs. If you do oc i probably would change the psu.

i hope it helps, oh & btw that cpu cooler looks crazy!

Never seen that before.

Really depends how lucky you get with the chip you get sent

For both the 83xx

Cyber-Freak · Feb 21, 2014

vmN,

I thought I might do a little bit more research regarding speeds and what not, so I ended up finding this
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/284549-29-8320-overclock
Which should help me clear up any hesitancy/bias towards the 8320.

My main concern would be the fact that "Mileage may vary"

Cyber-Freak · Feb 21, 2014

Thought I'd take a picture of the PSU and it's ratings just in case.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B483VCW8gSZxTmNKZHVaZ2RaM2M/edit?usp=sharing

vmN · Feb 21, 2014

Taken from that thread:

chargeit :

You guys showing these high OC's off of low voltage, with unrealistic temps need to download, "HWiNFO64". If you start Prime95, and than select the reset option, you will be able to test, and see if you're being throttled. Just make sure to reset once prime is started, and, screen shot before stopping prime95.

I'm willing to bet, there is even multiplier, or voltage throttling going on major. You're only cheating yourself if you don't figure this out.

Oh, and do at least 2 hours of prime95.

***I need 1.416V for 4.4, which is what I run 24/7. I can get stable at 4.6, with a large increase in voltage. Now, I don't think my CPU is a great overclocker, but, if you're going to make really bold claims, back it up better. What I posted above will give you some proof, such as.

Now, where I did mess up in this one, is I took the screen shot after I stopped Prime95, but, trust me, my multiplier and voltage never dropped.

That's at 4.4, though, I took that picture early. Both pictures are off the save settings, just different multipliers. Both are stable.

You'll notice though, that my Voltage stays with in the range of 1.404 - 1.416, and my Clock doesn't drop. No throttling going on there.

vmN · Feb 21, 2014

Another one:

chargeit :

OK, well, than post something that shows your not dropping voltage, or multiplier. Because What you've put up is basically junk. I personally don't think you've got the OC you think you have. I wouldn't expect much anyway, out of someone using HWMonitor when doing their OC.

Put up, or shut up with your snarky remarks.

That's a lot of Vdrop stable OC guy. Look at your Vcore, and than look at mine in my 2nd picture (first one was after I stopped stress testing), The voltage is in a extremely tight range.

I'm also willing to bet your multiplier is all over the board. Half the time you're most likely running at x7.

Cyber-Freak · Feb 21, 2014

Yeah I saw that, 8320 @ 4.4 and maxed at 4.6... but then I also see a number of people experiencing problems OCing due to lack of APM(?), needing bios updates, and sometimes chips not reaching the speeds I'd like them to get to.

The other I saw was a "CPU Master" with a 8350 @ 5.1

in another thread:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/352285-28-8320-8350-budget

some of the other "CPU Masters" lean towards the 8350 as well

So again between 8350 vs 8320, it seems that the 8350 is a lot more solid on OC performance even though they might come from the same batch.

So if the 8320 can reach a stable 4.4-4.6, and a 8350 stock is 4 and can be OC'd to 5.1 that's an extra .5-.7 Ghz that I can add to my performance.

vmN · Feb 21, 2014

8320 and 8350 is the exact same chip, you should be able to get the same overclocking with both, unless you get a bad chip WHICH can happen for both chips.

bhuvanesh123 · Feb 21, 2014

I would agree too, 8320 with better cooler using the money you save, you'd be better off....less noise, less heat....

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