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Intel i7 3770k vs. Intel i7 4770k (OC'ing wise)

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February 24, 2014 7:52:54 AM

Hello,

So I know that 4770k stock is a 10% improvement over the 3770k but when it comes to OC'ing the 3770k doesn't heat up as much as the 4770k. That I know much but is that all to it? I'm currently deciding between the two and I was thinking which one I should go for. I'm going to do gaming and streaming so OC'ing is a must I'm guessing. I've got H100i as cooling in my build. Price difference between these two CPU's is not an issue for me.
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February 24, 2014 8:55:18 AM

Rizwick said:
Hello,

So I know that 4770k stock is a 10% improvement over the 3770k but when it comes to OC'ing the 3770k doesn't heat up as much as the 4770k. That I know much but is that all to it? I'm currently deciding between the two and I was thinking which one I should go for. I'm going to do gaming and streaming so OC'ing is a must I'm guessing. I've got H100i as cooling in my build. Price difference between these two CPU's is not an issue for me.


I had this same dilemma with comparable i5s of those architectures. What I found was that even though the Ivy Bridge could achieve higher core clocks, the Haswell would still achieve greater performance (with both overclocked to their stable maximums). Plus, if you're building a new system you might as well get a motherboard with the LGA 1150 Socket, especially since the price difference is so small. You'd be much better off with the Haswell i7.

Now, on the subject of overclocking, it's only a good idea if you have a "limitless budget." This is because once you've bought a motherboard for overclocking and a good cooler, you've already sunk enough cash to make a sizeable GPU upgrade. For example, you'd spend as much ensuring a stable overclock as you would upgrading from a GTX 770 to a 780, and you would see a bigger performance boost from the better GPU than from the higher core clocks. So I guess my advice is, only consider overclocking if you've already got the best of the best and still need to crank out a little more performance.

I hope that helps! Sorry for the kind of off topic tangent at the end there :p 
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February 24, 2014 10:34:40 AM

DonQuixoteMC said:
Rizwick said:
Hello,

So I know that 4770k stock is a 10% improvement over the 3770k but when it comes to OC'ing the 3770k doesn't heat up as much as the 4770k. That I know much but is that all to it? I'm currently deciding between the two and I was thinking which one I should go for. I'm going to do gaming and streaming so OC'ing is a must I'm guessing. I've got H100i as cooling in my build. Price difference between these two CPU's is not an issue for me.


I had this same dilemma with comparable i5s of those architectures. What I found was that even though the Ivy Bridge could achieve higher core clocks, the Haswell would still achieve greater performance (with both overclocked to their stable maximums). Plus, if you're building a new system you might as well get a motherboard with the LGA 1150 Socket, especially since the price difference is so small. You'd be much better off with the Haswell i7.

Now, on the subject of overclocking, it's only a good idea if you have a "limitless budget." This is because once you've bought a motherboard for overclocking and a good cooler, you've already sunk enough cash to make a sizeable GPU upgrade. For example, you'd spend as much ensuring a stable overclock as you would upgrading from a GTX 770 to a 780, and you would see a bigger performance boost from the better GPU than from the higher core clocks. So I guess my advice is, only consider overclocking if you've already got the best of the best and still need to crank out a little more performance.

I hope that helps! Sorry for the kind of off topic tangent at the end there :p 


Well my GPU is going to be Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB so I don't know what that really means for overclocking :p 
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February 24, 2014 2:20:03 PM

Well, I don't want to get this thread off topic, but I recommend you don't look into overclocking (yet) and put that money into a better GPU. What's your total budget? I could put a list of parts together if you wanted. (Just so you would have a different perspective to consider for this build)




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March 15, 2014 8:18:16 PM

3770k in a heartbeat
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March 16, 2014 2:08:29 PM

Alex1357 said:
3770k in a heartbeat

I disagree. There's no point in getting a 3770K over a 4770K. The processors and motherboards are often the same price, you get more performance out of Haswell and you get a newer socket. More performance plus futureproofing for the same price sounds like a no brainer to me.

And don't complain about "higher temps" or "lower achievable clock speeds." People said the same thing when Ivy Bridge was released. Just because you can't clock as high doesn't mean you need to. Haswell delivers more performance per Hz than Ivy Bridge can.
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March 16, 2014 3:40:33 PM

DonQuixoteMC said:
Alex1357 said:
3770k in a heartbeat

I disagree. There's no point in getting a 3770K over a 4770K. The processors and motherboards are often the same price, you get more performance out of Haswell and you get a newer socket. More performance plus futureproofing for the same price sounds like a no brainer to me.

And don't complain about "higher temps" or "lower achievable clock speeds." People said the same thing when Ivy Bridge was released. Just because you can't clock as high doesn't mean you need to. Haswell delivers more performance per Hz than Ivy Bridge can.


I've heard that there are no news that the lga1150 socket would support further generation processors. Also when the next gen "broadwell" releases on the 1150 socket it is rumored a new board will be needed anyways due to different power delivery systems. So I think 3770k is more futureproof.
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March 16, 2014 3:50:49 PM

Interesting. I hadn't heard about the different power delivery system.

Even without the upgrade option, Why do you think the 3770K is more future proof? I mean, the 4770k is faster, wouldn't that make it more futureproof?
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March 16, 2014 4:01:26 PM

DonQuixoteMC said:
Interesting. I hadn't heard about the different power delivery system.

Even without the upgrade option, Why do you think the 3770K is more future proof? I mean, the 4770k is faster, wouldn't that make it more futureproof?


Well it's because of the OC'ing potential on 3770k over 4770k.
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March 16, 2014 4:11:46 PM

DonQuixoteMC said:

What I found was that even though the Ivy Bridge could achieve higher core clocks, the Haswell would still achieve greater performance (with both overclocked to their stable maximums).


What do you mean by saying that? If it's the performance per Hz then the 10% improvement is what shows that.

DonQuixoteMC said:

Now, on the subject of overclocking, it's only a good idea if you have a "limitless budget." This is because once you've bought a motherboard for overclocking and a good cooler, you've already sunk enough cash to make a sizeable GPU upgrade. For example, you'd spend as much ensuring a stable overclock as you would upgrading from a GTX 770 to a 780, and you would see a bigger performance boost from the better GPU than from the higher core clocks. So I guess my advice is, only consider overclocking if you've already got the best of the best and still need to crank out a little more performance.


I agree with you on that (or at least I really want to!) so I'm actually conflicted right now between what I should get (not entirely though).
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March 16, 2014 4:15:13 PM

If overclocking is your primary reason for choosing between these two then the i7-3770K http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SZ0EOW is easily the best choice.

The 3770K runs much cooler than the 4770K which will allow you to reach much higher clocks.
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March 16, 2014 6:40:35 PM

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If overclocking is your primary reason for choosing between these two then the i7-3770K http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SZ0EOW is easily the best choice.

The 3770K runs much cooler than the 4770K which will allow you to reach much higher clocks.

By that logic, we should be using AMD FX chips.

Even though it can't be clocked as high, the 4770K is still a faster CPU.

Look at the "controversy" over Sandy Bridge vs. Ivy Bridge. People freaked out when Ivy Bridge ran hotter than Sandy Bridge, and thus couldn't be overclocked as high. Regardless, Ivy Bridge was the better CPU because you could still get more performance, even at the lower clock speed. Now with Haswell, we're seeing the exact same thing. If the heat argument against Haswell was valid, we'd all still be using Sandy Bridge CPUs because they can be clocked higher.

It's all about the final product: performance.

Haswell, despite running hotter, delivers better performance (overclocked or otherwise) than Ivy Bridge. There's no point in putting a 3rd gen CPU in a new build.

@Rizwick: That's what I mean, because the Haswell delivers more performance "per Hertz," it's still a faster CPU even though it can't be clocked as high. It's not a huge difference, but if you're building a new PC, there's no point in getting an Ivy Bridge over a Haswell. I wouldn't upgrade to Haswell from an Ivy Bridge, but if you're buying new parts, why not?

As for overclocking... I wouldn't buy a cooler right off the bat. Just think how easy it is to add a cooler later vs buying a better GPU or CPU. I just think you'll regret not investing the money now towards better hardware.

Take my latest build for example. I used the GTX 770 and the 4670K. My budget was roughly $1000. If I had bought the H100 for some serious overclocking (<10% performance boost), I would have removed $100 instantly from my budget. This would have made a GTX 770 impossible for that budget, and I would have had to settle with the GTX 760. Now, if you were to benchmark those two rigs, the non-overclocked i5 +770 build would be MUCH better than the overclocked i5 + 760 (for gaming) AND it would be the easiest upgrade in the world to add a better cooler later and overclock then.

Just remember to get a board that can handle overclocking so the cooler is all you have to upgrade when the time comes. (Something like the ASRock Z87 Extreme 4, which also supports SLI).
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March 16, 2014 11:25:04 PM

DonQuixoteMC said:
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If overclocking is your primary reason for choosing between these two then the i7-3770K http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SZ0EOW is easily the best choice.

The 3770K runs much cooler than the 4770K which will allow you to reach much higher clocks.

By that logic, we should be using AMD FX chips.

Even though it can't be clocked as high, the 4770K is still a faster CPU.

Look at the "controversy" over Sandy Bridge vs. Ivy Bridge. People freaked out when Ivy Bridge ran hotter than Sandy Bridge, and thus couldn't be overclocked as high. Regardless, Ivy Bridge was the better CPU because you could still get more performance, even at the lower clock speed. Now with Haswell, we're seeing the exact same thing. If the heat argument against Haswell was valid, we'd all still be using Sandy Bridge CPUs because they can be clocked higher.

It's all about the final product: performance.

Haswell, despite running hotter, delivers better performance (overclocked or otherwise) than Ivy Bridge. There's no point in putting a 3rd gen CPU in a new build.

@Rizwick: That's what I mean, because the Haswell delivers more performance "per Hertz," it's still a faster CPU even though it can't be clocked as high. It's not a huge difference, but if you're building a new PC, there's no point in getting an Ivy Bridge over a Haswell. I wouldn't upgrade to Haswell from an Ivy Bridge, but if you're buying new parts, why not?

As for overclocking... I wouldn't buy a cooler right off the bat. Just think how easy it is to add a cooler later vs buying a better GPU or CPU. I just think you'll regret not investing the money now towards better hardware.

Take my latest build for example. I used the GTX 770 and the 4670K. My budget was roughly $1000. If I had bought the H100 for some serious overclocking (<10% performance boost), I would have removed $100 instantly from my budget. This would have made a GTX 770 impossible for that budget, and I would have had to settle with the GTX 760. Now, if you were to benchmark those two rigs, the non-overclocked i5 +770 build would be MUCH better than the overclocked i5 + 760 (for gaming) AND it would be the easiest upgrade in the world to add a better cooler later and overclock then.

Just remember to get a board that can handle overclocking so the cooler is all you have to upgrade when the time comes. (Something like the ASRock Z87 Extreme 4, which also supports SLI).

I may agree with you about the fx but as i pointed out on some other thread a ivy bridge can be oced way more my bro got 4.3 ghz stock cooler no k

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March 22, 2014 7:19:06 AM

Here's the build that Rizwick and I have decided would be best for him:

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ejoC) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ejoC/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ejoC/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i74770k) | $309.99 @ Newegg
**Motherboard** | [ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z87extr...) | $119.99 @ Micro Center
**Memory** | [Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d...) | $134.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-h...) | $57.98 @ OutletPC
**Video Card** | [MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n770tf2gd5o...) | $319.99 @ NCIX US
**Case** | [Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-case-one) | $34.99 @ NCIX US
**Power Supply** | [XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb...) | $44.99 @ NCIX US
**Optical Drive** | [Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-optical-drive-sh22...) | $15.98 @ OutletPC
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1038.90
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 10:17 EDT-0400 |

I took the liberty of adding 8 GB more RAM just in case it's still within budget and you would like to have it for the video editing you're planning on doing.

Enjoy!
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March 22, 2014 2:05:35 PM

DonQuixoteMC said:
Here's the build that Rizwick and I have decided would be best for him:

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ejoC) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ejoC/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ejoC/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i74770k) | $309.99 @ Newegg
**Motherboard** | [ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z87extr...) | $119.99 @ Micro Center
**Memory** | [Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d...) | $134.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-h...) | $57.98 @ OutletPC
**Video Card** | [MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n770tf2gd5o...) | $319.99 @ NCIX US
**Case** | [Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-case-one) | $34.99 @ NCIX US
**Power Supply** | [XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb...) | $44.99 @ NCIX US
**Optical Drive** | [Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-optical-drive-sh22...) | $15.98 @ OutletPC
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1038.90
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-22 10:17 EDT-0400 |

I took the liberty of adding 8 GB more RAM just in case it's still within budget and you would like to have it for the video editing you're planning on doing.

Enjoy!


To be more specific in regards to the topic, we came to a conclusion that 4770k is better and more future-proof than 3770k since higher clock speed (achieved by overclocking) don't necessarily produce more FPS in games. I'm picking the post I just quoted as the solution.
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