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February 24, 2014 8:36:39 AM

Hello, I'm planing to buy a new monitor and maybe a new graphic card.

I want a monitor between 20'' and 24'', full hd (1080p), mostly to watch movies, but also to play.

The games I play the most are: warcraft III (dota), world of warcraft, Starcraft II, Tomb Raider series, Call of Dutty series.

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I'm using an HD 5770, with a Phenom II 550 (with 4 cores, @ 3.5 Mhz). I already finish the first Startcraft II, and I didn't had problems with graphics (but I dont remember in witch configuration I played it). But I know that my old monitor was 1620x1080, and the new one will be 1920x1080, so my graphic card will not work so well.

Next I'm going to play the last Tomb Raider.


This is the list of the cards I have in mind:

R9 270X OC - 150€

GTX 760 - 214€

gtx 660 ti - 233€

GTX 770 - 259€

R9 280x - 272€

From tomshardware charts I got the idea that GTX 770 is the best one and that GTX 760 have a performance very close to the R9 280x, and don't justify a 55€ price difference (only in a few games R9 280x is better the those two GTX). Am I wrong?

Does the R270x OC have similar performance then an GTX 660 ti? A 80€ price difference make any sense?

Should I buy any of those graphic cards with my current CPU? Or should I wait to buy a new graphic card when I decide to upgrade the rest of my system? I'm not sure but the idea of buying a R9 270x, to use while waiting for complete system upgread, is very attractive because I don't plan to use crossfire in the future (because of power consumption and stability issues), and it seems that new nvidea graphic cards will be released very soon.

MONITOR

I was thinking in buying some mid-low end monitor (<150€), I had a LG w2241s and I was more then happy with it, but it stopped working (now I'm using an old CRT).

What should I be looking in a monitor? Brightness and response time? Because my old monitor had 300 cd/m, if I buy one with 250 cd/m I will "feel" that images have worst quality?

My graphic card have vga, dvi and hdmi, people that will use it will always be directly in front of the monitor, I don't intent to buy a Graphic Card that cost more then 270€.

Should I buy a monitor close to 100€ and get a better graphic card or should I buy a monitor close to 150€.

This is a list of monitor that are available in stores close to me (please feel free to suggest monitor that is not in this list).

ASUS LED VE228DR (dont have DVI or HDMI) - 110€

Samsung S22C300H - 120€

LG 22EA53VQ-P - 140€

Samsung S24C300H - 154€

LG 23EA63V-P - 165€

Asus VX238H - 166€

Asus VE24h - 166€

Asus VE247T - 164€

ASUS VS247H-P -

Asus VE247H - 153€

ASUS VS247HR - 160€

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February 24, 2014 2:23:59 PM

If you find a 270X oc for only 150 euro , then go for it. Its almost as performance like the 660Ti.
It will for example play BF4 online on Ultra and almost all the games on highest settings in HD resolution.
But now the problem is your CPU, to get the full potential of your 270X you need to overclock your CPU to at least 4.4Ghz.
Or get a FX-6300 and overclock it to 4.2Ghz and it will be fine. Especiely if you have a AM3+ ùotherboard of mid-high end class.
I have a 27 inch monitor and its fantastic for gaming and movies. 24 inch is good to, but 23 and under is to small, to really get in the of to day games.
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February 24, 2014 3:40:22 PM

My motherboard is only AM3 (M4A785TD-V EVO), so the best CPU I can get is the Phenom II x6, witch are not available in phisical stores, only at ebay, But that is not a practical solution for me. :( 

And I don't think my CPU can be overclock more then current overclock. In this case there is no point in buying any of those graphic cards without upgrading CPU (and motherboard)?

Witch monitor do you use?

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February 24, 2014 4:21:02 PM

lcp1109 said:
My motherboard is only AM3 (M4A785TD-V EVO), so the best CPU I can get is the Phenom II x6, witch are not available in phisical stores, only at ebay, But that is not a practical solution for me. :( 

And I don't think my CPU can be overclock more then current overclock. In this case there is no point in buying any of those graphic cards without upgrading CPU (and motherboard)?

Witch monitor do you use?



My monitor is this one : http://www.iiyama.com/be_nl/producten/prolite-e2773hds-...

Your motherboard is not that bad, I had one like this but maybe it was the shipset just above, and I overclocked stable a 955BE @ 4.0Ghz and I let it very stable at 3.8Ghz after , so a 980BE will reach 4.2Ghz stable. And it will outperform a FX-8320@stock in all games with 270X for sure. Or go with a 965BE @4.0Ghz.
If you can find them they will cost around 60-75euro. -30euro for your 550.

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February 24, 2014 6:52:06 PM

Maybe it's MB, maybe it's power supply, dont know. I tried today to put it at 3.7mhz with only two cores but I start having erros in my graphic card only by using windows explorer.

Can't find phenomen II x4 either. :s

Your monitor looks nice, but cant find it, even at ebay.

This are most of the monitors availeble to me:

24''+ http://allshop-online.com/331-monitores-24-ou-superior?... (I didn't link the english version because it has other models not available in portuguese version);

20 to 23 '' - http://allshop-online.com/230-monitores-20-23?orderby=p...

So you think I should save some money in graphic cards and invest on monitor? Any other opinions?

Btw, I not very demanding with performance, in the sense that "usually" (I did it once) upgrade my system only when it becomes unable to run a game I want to play. I used my previous and first PC for at least 6 years.

Since my HD 5770 can run the new Tomb Raider and the new Call of Duty, at least in low settings (plz correct me if I am), I think I wil wait for the next tomb raider to be released and then buy a new graphic card :) 

http://www.techspot.com/review/645-tomb-raider-performa...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/call-of-duty-ghosts...
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February 25, 2014 1:14:32 PM

I was checking some 27'' monitor, and I found a review saying that I can have problems with image quality with a 27'' monitor at 1920x1080 if I'm far away from screen. Normaly I'm about 2 metters (6.56 feets) away from the screen. Should I avoid 27''?

If not, this would be a good option?

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/monitors/1295143/aoc-e27...
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February 25, 2014 2:29:44 PM

2 meters of your screen ? Than even a 32 inch will not do it ;) 
I 'm 70 cm of my 27inch screen and it is perfect. And how do you mean image quality problems ?
And every good screen from 27inch under 250euro is a good buy. It seems that the one you show me is pretty good, go for it I'l will say.
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February 25, 2014 5:24:09 PM

normally I'm in my bed when I'm using my computer and the monitor is 2 meters away from my bed.

I'm not sure, but the problem with distance from screen and image quality seems to be related to Pixel Pitch. I could not locate the review where I saw that info, but in this review (http://www.trustedreviews.com/benq-gw2760hs_Monitor_rev... ) they say that "The only serious note of caution is the 1,920 x 1,080 resolution on this size of screen. It's better suited to smaller 24-inch monitors, but for the price it's not something to dwell on".
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February 26, 2014 5:42:38 AM

lcp1109 said:
normally I'm in my bed when I'm using my computer and the monitor is 2 meters away from my bed.

I'm not sure, but the problem with distance from screen and image quality seems to be related to Pixel Pitch. I could not locate the review where I saw that info, but in this review (http://www.trustedreviews.com/benq-gw2760hs_Monitor_rev... ) they say that "The only serious note of caution is the 1,920 x 1,080 resolution on this size of screen. It's better suited to smaller 24-inch monitors, but for the price it's not something to dwell on".


Don't worry, 27 is fine fore 1920x1080 resolution. It's even perfect. You will be suprise how good the 27inch are at 1080.
Just Go FOR IT !! ;) 
I know someone with a Phillips 21 inch @ 1920x1080 and my 27inch at that resolution is way more accurate and sharp to look at.

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February 26, 2014 5:23:13 PM

Thx for all the answers you gave me so far mikfokido.

I was searching for problems that I could have with a monitor with high resolution and my old ati HD 5770, and ways to solve them. And I found something called 1:1 pixel mapping, that seems to be the best solution to image degradation when playing with a resolution lower then the native resolution of the monitor.

Problem is that I can find a monitor under 200€ with that feature... any one can help?

And I would like to confirm if pixel mapping is the same thing as aspect ratio

EDIT

Almost forgot, I also would like to know if the image degradation from playing in a lower resolution then the native one in a LCD monitor is the same you get from stretching a low quality video 4 or 5 times his normal size in a CRT screen or if it's much worst.

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