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kevin0k

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Hi everyone I have been asking many diferent things in the forum for a workstation for a friend of mine who is starting this year with animation and video editing at the college in Buenos Aires (Argentina) here the things are more expensive than US so I have been looking for builds, for a nice CPU and GPU for all the thing that he will learn to us like CUDA, Adobe , MAYA and other..
So at this point I will post two builds (one intel and other AMD based CPU) , I want to know if the parts are good enought to work with them as a little workstation for a student.

FIRST, THE INTEL BUILD

Option A)
CPU: i5 4440 or i5 4570
RAm: 1x kingstone hyperX blue 1600mhz 4 GB TOTAL OF 4 GB ram
STORAGE: Caviar Blue 7200rpm 32mb /1000GB
GPU: PSY K2000
MOBa: ASUS B85M-E or Gigabyte GA-H87M
PSU: CORSAIR CX500
In my country $1080 (Chile)

Option B)

CPU: i5 4440 or i5 4570
RAm: 3x kingstone hyperX blue 1600mhz 4 GB TOTAL OF 12 GB ram
STORAGE: Caviar Blue 7200rpm 32mb /1000GB
GPU: MSI GTX 770 (N770 TF 2GD5/OC)
MOBa: ASUS B85M-E or Gigabyte GA-H87M
PSU: CORSAIR CX500

In my country $1050

Questions
Is worthy to go for a moba B85 or a H87?

SECOND, THE AMD BUILD

OPTION A)

CPU: FX8320
RAm: 2x kingstone hyperX blue 1600mhz 4 GB TOTAL OF 8 GB ram
STORAGE: Caviar Blue 7200rpm 32mb /1000GB
GPU: PSY K2000
MOBa: MSI 970A-G46 (support SLI)
PSU: CORSAIR CX500

OPTION B)

CPU: FX8320
RAm: 2x Patrior Viper 8gb 3 LP red Total of 16 GB ram
STORAGE: Caviar Blue 7200rpm 32mb /1000GB
GPU: MSI GTX 770 (N770 Tf 2GD5/OC)
MOBa: MSI 970A-G46 (support SLI)
PSU: CORSAIR CX500

Questions =/
1)I Looked further in workstations and when it come for intel they all recomend i7 over amd because the video sync and the hyperthreading but what happens when it come a fx 8320 vs a i5 ?? because i5 dosen't have the hyperthreading.
2) Is the Quadro worth it? or I cand do all the job with a consumer card like the GTX 770? I have been reading a lot of it, and adobe support nvidia consumer and proffesional cards, so whitch is better?
3) Should i go with a b85 motherboard or go for a h87 with intel?
4) If I go for the moba MSI 970 I could use the SLI It is worthy?


THAT IS ALL

I THANKS A LOT FOR READING THIS HUUUGE POST and sorry for that too, I'm really thankfull with this community because you guys are helping me a lot with this PC =) I just want the best for my friend and I want to learn about the PC.

Again THX and sorry for the long post .
 
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Hi,
Prepare yourself, because this is going to be huge.

So, first the answers :
1) The I7 is hyperthreaded processor and the I5 is not. The I5 and the 8320/8350 are both not hyperthreaded, so they are almost the same. The AMD processors ( i preffer the AMD ) are cheaper and they are worth to buy. When they have almost the same performance as the intel I5, is it worth?


2) I want you to know, that i've never worked with a quadro videocard!
The facts about this card are :
SMX CUDA Cores 384
GPU Memory 2GB GDDR5
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth 64.0GB/s
System Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Display Connectors...
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I am not an animation expert (other can fill in) but i believe the software you'll be using will require some serious decoding etc etc. I belive an i7 would be your solution to this. Now, If you really want to speed this build you, serious need a SSD (try to invest in a good 120GB at least), which will cut down you load times by huge amounts. It is important that you have at least 8GB of Memory the one you've chosen is fine, bu 16GB would be ideal.

Your hard drive for you line of work my be a bit small (if any of your project are large than 500MB you'll eat that space pretty fast) try looking at a 2TB instead

The GPU you have GTX 770 requires that you have a minimum 600W PSU. You need to get something better (XFX, Seasonic, or the Rosewill HIVE series are good)

I believe you also are missing a Case (which could add another $40+ to your price) and Operating System

With regards to the B85/H87 Note that you can not overclock these (make ceratin you choose a non K version of the i7) you better off with the "H" since it has more ports (see the difference http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z87-H87-H81-Q87-Q85-B85-What-is-the-difference-473/ )

Best luck
 
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YTeodosiev

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Hi,
Prepare yourself, because this is going to be huge.

So, first the answers :
1) The I7 is hyperthreaded processor and the I5 is not. The I5 and the 8320/8350 are both not hyperthreaded, so they are almost the same. The AMD processors ( i preffer the AMD ) are cheaper and they are worth to buy. When they have almost the same performance as the intel I5, is it worth?


2) I want you to know, that i've never worked with a quadro videocard!
The facts about this card are :
SMX CUDA Cores 384
GPU Memory 2GB GDDR5
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth 64.0GB/s
System Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Display Connectors DVI-I DL + DP 1.2 + DP 1.2
And lets see some facts about the 770 :
GTX 770 GPU Engine Specs:
CUDA Cores 1536
Base Clock (MHz) 1046
Boost Clock (MHz) 1085
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 134
GTX 770 Memory Specs:
Memory Speed 7.0 Gbps
Standard Memory Config 2048 MB
Memory Interface GDDR5
Memory Interface Width 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 224.3

Even a blind man will see, that the 770 is better than the Quadro. I do not think its worth.

3) Yes, to go with 970 MOBA is worth, but there are many other motherboards that will get the job done better.

I have some questions too.
1) Are you going to overclock?
2) Do you really want it to be an unlocked processor?
3) Do you have any preffers ( Intel vs AMD, Nvidia vs ATI/AMD )

Also, Eggxpert Tiered Power Suplies . Here are some good tiered PSUs. You can see which are good PSUs and which are not good ( From 2b down )
 And the CX series are not good. There are many reasons why, but now it is not the time to explain.

Here is the build that you could go for :

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($333.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Professional ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($178.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($324.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1126.43
If you dont want to overclock ( or you dont know how ) just take the cooler off and you will get into the budget.


- Yoan Teodosiev

 
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kevin0k

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Ok I read every answer and I took the point of Hitechonsessed and I looked for a GTX 760 with i7, also i took the point of tachybana to take a ssd (i dont really know how they work , so if somebody can explain them to me?) and for the final , answering Yteodosiev who gives me hope to use a GTX , 1)It's not my PC and my friend dosent know how to OC , so not. 2) And dont really care about it =/ but shouldn't not ,because my friend dosen't know how to OC and for the final 3) I dont have any preffer except with the GPU because MAYA, Adobe and other support nvidia and the also work with them.

So in other words I built 2 guys more taking the ideas of you guys but Remember plz that I'm not of US , I'm from Chile and the part that you pick in pcpartpicker cost a lot more here, thx =)

Option 1 Intel
CPU: i7 4770
MOBA: MSI H87m-G43
RAM: Patriot psd38g16002h of 8gb
GPU: MSI GTX 760 2GB
HARD DIsk: 1000GB CAviar Blue 7200 rpm 32mb bus
SSD : 128 GB kingstone SSDnow V300 serie
PSU: Corsair cx500
Price 1200$
I will try to buy this but if I can't I will try to take out the SSD for one of 60GB? or 500GB harddisk

OPTION 2 AMD

Option 1
CPU: FX 8320
MOBA: MSI 970-G46
RAM: 2xPatriot Viper 3LP Total of 16GB RAM
GPU: MSI GTX 760 2GB
HARD DIsk: 1000GB CAviar Blue 7200 rpm 32mb bus
SSD : 128 GB kingstone SSDnow V300 serie
PSU: Corsair cx600
Price: $1160
i dont know if i can go with a cx 500? and as same of the intel option If i can't afford this price maybe I will took a 8gb ram??

What do you think now guys?
 
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Hi, for animation (maya, 3ds max, etc.) if you do not plan on doing "hardcore" rendering, your amount of ram and a good GPU is more helpful than your processor, it will help a lot to get real time within your viewports when you are animating, however if you plan on doing big mental ray rendering and such then your processor is crucial (but you can launch your rendering at night & whenever you're not using your station :)
 
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thanks ID-039 can you post me a example of a build?? did anyone used an AMD CPU for that softwares?
AND I have just one more question, is the PSU that I picked for the intel option and AMD option enough?
 
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I'm not too knowledgable on components sorry, but on a i5, GTX650, 16gb ram, both max and maya worked fine

 
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