Haswell Now or wait for later?
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Hey guys. around June time i was going to get an i5 4670k and an MSi Z87-G45 as an upgrade to my PC. However according to roadmaps the 9 series chipset will release and also a haswell refresh and/or Broadwell. So what should i do? Should i wait for The haswell refresh or broadwell? Or jump on an i5 now? Thanks
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i would say wait for broadwell if you can. no sense in making a excellent gaming computer only to have the new series come out a few months later. also i think it will be on ddr4 with native ram speeds of 2133 which is pretty awesome. and you will be able to save up more money for better components as well imo.
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yea there is the die shrink but i thought it is supposed to have a performance increase and i also read in a magazine(maximum pc ithink?) that with the die shrink it is rumored they are going to do away with the k designators and they didnt say why so either the whole series will be overclockable or the more likely scenario they are going to boost to max off the shelf performance and do away with overclockability. haswell-e looks promising though its supposed to have up to a 50% increase in some applications over ib-e and run on ddr4 as well.
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Playing the waiting game is walking on a slippery slope. You could wait until the 9 series chipset comes out and the Haswell refresh, but by then there could be something else that you hear about that could catch your interest.
I guess the first question you should ask yourself is do you need this new computer now? Or at least really want it now.
It's guaranteed that there will be some performance improvements if you wait. However you must weigh those improvements against having to wait 6 months or maybe more depending on what you decide.
I guess the first question you should ask yourself is do you need this new computer now? Or at least really want it now.
It's guaranteed that there will be some performance improvements if you wait. However you must weigh those improvements against having to wait 6 months or maybe more depending on what you decide.
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Well my 760k gets beat by an ivy i3 in games to start with and i get Massive FPs drops in Bf4 my fav game so i guess it makes sense to upgrade. With the Intel Tick tock thing though Haswell wasa tock ( New architecture) So that means broadwell will be a tick, meaning a die srhink. So if it mainly brings DDr4 and power efficency i dont really care too much
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Danzas4321 said:
Well my 760k gets beat by an ivy i3 in games to start with and i get Massive FPs drops in Bf4 my fav game so i guess it makes sense to upgrade. With the Intel Tick tock thing though Haswell wasa tock ( New architecture) So that means broadwell will be a tick, meaning a die srhink. So if it mainly brings DDr4 and power efficency i dont really care too muchHave you tried mantle? I'm not saying this as a solution but interested in the results as I'm about to pair the same card as yours with an athlon.
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AdmiralDonut said:
I'd just go for an Ivy Bridge i5 3570k and not worry about playing the "My stuff is newer and therefore better than yours" game.Why would you suggest Ivy Bridge over Haswell at this point? Socket 1155 is dead. I also think it's not a case of e-penis that he's worried about, more a case of buyers remorse.
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techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
I'd just go for an Ivy Bridge i5 3570k and not worry about playing the "My stuff is newer and therefore better than yours" game.Why would you suggest Ivy Bridge over Haswell at this point? Socket 1155 is dead. I also think it's not a case of e-penis that he's worried about, more a case of buyers remorse.
Hmm, lets see. Haswell stuff is more expensive for not much benefit and is as dead as Ivy Bridge. After all Broadwell will require a different chipset remember? So why bother with Haswell when an Ivy Bridge is cheaper and has just as much choice and power as Haswell.
Good enough reason? I think so.
EDIT: For clarity, I should point out that when I say Haswell is dead, I mean that any motherboard/CPU combo you buy now for Haswell will NOT allow you to run a Broadwell chip. So If you want to upgrade to Broadwell, you may as well get Ivy Bridge now and save money.
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AdmiralDonut said:
techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
I'd just go for an Ivy Bridge i5 3570k and not worry about playing the "My stuff is newer and therefore better than yours" game.Why would you suggest Ivy Bridge over Haswell at this point? Socket 1155 is dead. I also think it's not a case of e-penis that he's worried about, more a case of buyers remorse.
Hmm, lets see. Haswell stuff is more expensive for not much benefit and is as dead as Ivy Bridge. After all Broadwell will require a different chipset remember? So why bother with Haswell when an Ivy Bridge is cheaper and has just as much choice and power as Haswell.
Good enough reason? I think so.
EDIT: For clarity, I should point out that when I say Haswell is dead, I mean that any motherboard/CPU combo you buy now for Haswell will NOT allow you to run a Broadwell chip. So If you want to upgrade to Broadwell, you may as well get Ivy Bridge now and save money.
I wasn't arguing that Broadwell will be compatible with the 8 series chipsets. However the upgrade path is dead now for 1155. Ivy Bridge isn't cheaper than Haswell and the motherboards aren't anymore expensive either. The one thing is your running out of options with Ivy Bridge since most of the motherboard and CPU's are drying up. Today a i5 4770K is $380 CAD and a i7 3770K is $360 CAD. Twenty dollars doesn't make it much more expensive. There are still some more processors coming for this generation of Haswell, albeit probably nothing that's going to knock anyone's socks off. There are no more Ivy Bridges coming. Also an Ivy Bridge platform (Z77) only comes with 2 native SATA III sockets, Haswell comes with 6. Today most enthusiasts run more than two SATA III devices. Granted if one of them is a traditional HDD it could be run on SATA II without a performance penalty, but why should anyone have to.
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DeathFlows
March 1, 2014 5:40:19 AM
DeathFlows said:
should I also wait? my bday is in may and ima have around 500 to spend and that will only be for cpu mobo ram and maybe psuWaiting is a difficult game to do. Really it's tough to say. You could wait and find out that you waited for less than a 10% increase in speed or marginally better power efficiency. With only $500 dollars for CPU, mobo and RAM with the possibility of a PSU as well, you might be better served with an AMD build anyway. Maybe without the PSU you could squeek by with a decent Intel build. The one thing that may play into your favor with waiting is in that time you might be able to save a few more dollars to put towards your build.
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techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
I'd just go for an Ivy Bridge i5 3570k and not worry about playing the "My stuff is newer and therefore better than yours" game.Why would you suggest Ivy Bridge over Haswell at this point? Socket 1155 is dead. I also think it's not a case of e-penis that he's worried about, more a case of buyers remorse.
Hmm, lets see. Haswell stuff is more expensive for not much benefit and is as dead as Ivy Bridge. After all Broadwell will require a different chipset remember? So why bother with Haswell when an Ivy Bridge is cheaper and has just as much choice and power as Haswell.
Good enough reason? I think so.
EDIT: For clarity, I should point out that when I say Haswell is dead, I mean that any motherboard/CPU combo you buy now for Haswell will NOT allow you to run a Broadwell chip. So If you want to upgrade to Broadwell, you may as well get Ivy Bridge now and save money.
I wasn't arguing that Broadwell will be compatible with the 8 series chipsets. However the upgrade path is dead now for 1155. Ivy Bridge isn't cheaper than Haswell and the motherboards aren't anymore expensive either. The one thing is your running out of options with Ivy Bridge since most of the motherboard and CPU's are drying up. Today a i5 4770K is $380 CAD and a i7 3770K is $360 CAD. Twenty dollars doesn't make it much more expensive. There are still some more processors coming for this generation of Haswell, albeit probably nothing that's going to knock anyone's socks off. There are no more Ivy Bridges coming. Also an Ivy Bridge platform (Z77) only comes with 2 native SATA III sockets, Haswell comes with 6. Today most enthusiasts run more than two SATA III devices. Granted if one of them is a traditional HDD it could be run on SATA II without a performance penalty, but why should anyone have to.
You just contradicted yourself. You admit that Haswell and Broadwell both require different chipsets, thus any Haswell board purchased now will also be a "dead end" once Broadwell is released. I would also like to know where you are in the world that Ivy Bridge chips are so scarce, since I see plenty of them on the market, both new and secondhand, and all for a fair bit less than Haswell ones.
The only thing I will concede is the native SATA III ports on Ivy Bridge is less than that of Haswell, but there is no way that makes it worth paying out for Haswell over Ivy Bridge when there is no substantial difference between Intel supported SATA III and ones like the ASMedia on ASRock boards.
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Danzas4321 said:
SO what should i do? 4670k or wait for broadwell? Thasts the main aim here. is all broadwell is is more power efficent with a larger GPu meaing i sacrifice cache then Haswell it isMy opinion is that Broadwell will be marginally better than Haswell, more power efficient, die shrink, yadda yadda. Unless DDR4 gets you hot, I don't see anything special coming on the 9 series platform. One could only hope that Intel goes back to using solder to thermally connect the die to the IHS with Broadwell, that should reduce some of the heat issues that came with Ivy Bridge and Haswell.
If it were me, I'd go Haswell now. June is a long ways away to be playing on an Athlon. I have a i7 4770K and my son just got a i5 4670K. Both are great chips. If I was only interested in gaming I would have saved the $100 and got the i5, but I do a little crunching, so I got the i7 for the 8 threads.
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Danzas4321 said:
so the die shrink wont do alot? i presume it will be like sandy to ivy with pretty much no improvement right?I haven't heard of any new features being added to Broadwell. If anything you might see a slight bump in clockspeeds if their efficient enough to lower temperatures at the same clockspeed. This would be very marginal though, like 100MHz, certainly not enough to wait for.
One thing I have heard about Broadwell is that Intel may move the IVR off-die. This could spread out the heat distribution on the IHS. One of the problems with Haswell is that with the transistor density and the power components for the IVR integrated into one die, the heat was very concentrated. The heat produced by the IVR added with the CPU's heat was concentrated over a very small area. How much this will alleviate the heat issue though I don't know.
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Danzas4321 said:
So pretty much nothing to get excited about and get Haswell?Well if I was you, that's what I'd do. When I get itching for an upgrade I've got to have it fast. You have a quad core Athlon and you've certainly got a decent overclock on it, but Haswell should perform fast enough at stock so that you'll feel it.
I know about buyers remorse too. But the best way to combat it is to buy what you want and then be happy with what you have. Hard to do I know, especially if you're an enthusiast and you read reviews for all the new tech that comes along like I do. I held onto my overclock Q6600 until this year and then upgraded to Haswell. That didn't mean I didn't want to run out and get Nehelam, Sandy, Ivy, Sandy-E, etc. It just felt like the right time to upgrade. If it feels like that to you, then I say do it. If you can hang on longer, then maybe that's what you need to do.
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AdmiralDonut said:
techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
I'd just go for an Ivy Bridge i5 3570k and not worry about playing the "My stuff is newer and therefore better than yours" game.Why would you suggest Ivy Bridge over Haswell at this point? Socket 1155 is dead. I also think it's not a case of e-penis that he's worried about, more a case of buyers remorse.
Hmm, lets see. Haswell stuff is more expensive for not much benefit and is as dead as Ivy Bridge. After all Broadwell will require a different chipset remember? So why bother with Haswell when an Ivy Bridge is cheaper and has just as much choice and power as Haswell.
Good enough reason? I think so.
EDIT: For clarity, I should point out that when I say Haswell is dead, I mean that any motherboard/CPU combo you buy now for Haswell will NOT allow you to run a Broadwell chip. So If you want to upgrade to Broadwell, you may as well get Ivy Bridge now and save money.
I wasn't arguing that Broadwell will be compatible with the 8 series chipsets. However the upgrade path is dead now for 1155. Ivy Bridge isn't cheaper than Haswell and the motherboards aren't anymore expensive either. The one thing is your running out of options with Ivy Bridge since most of the motherboard and CPU's are drying up. Today a i5 4770K is $380 CAD and a i7 3770K is $360 CAD. Twenty dollars doesn't make it much more expensive. There are still some more processors coming for this generation of Haswell, albeit probably nothing that's going to knock anyone's socks off. There are no more Ivy Bridges coming. Also an Ivy Bridge platform (Z77) only comes with 2 native SATA III sockets, Haswell comes with 6. Today most enthusiasts run more than two SATA III devices. Granted if one of them is a traditional HDD it could be run on SATA II without a performance penalty, but why should anyone have to.
You just contradicted yourself. You admit that Haswell and Broadwell both require different chipsets, thus any Haswell board purchased now will also be a "dead end" once Broadwell is released. I would also like to know where you are in the world that Ivy Bridge chips are so scarce, since I see plenty of them on the market, both new and secondhand, and all for a fair bit less than Haswell ones.
The only thing I will concede is the native SATA III ports on Ivy Bridge is less than that of Haswell, but there is no way that makes it worth paying out for Haswell over Ivy Bridge when there is no substantial difference between Intel supported SATA III and ones like the ASMedia on ASRock boards.
I haven't contradicted myself. Haswell today is the new tech. Broadwell isn't released yet, Ivy Bridge is dead and has been for 7-8 months. Just because there is still stock doesn't make it any less a dead end platform. I live in Canada and purchase from a large retailer/etailor and presently they have 5 1155 socket CPU's available and 13 1150 socket CPU's. As for motherboards there are 6 available for 1155 versus 74 available for 1150. As for secondhand, I wasn't talking about Fleabay. If we are talking secondhand, then LGA775 isn't dead yet either.
As for third party SATA controllers, they just plain suck. They are always slower than native controllers. Almost never work as the boot controller. Lastly always seem to have more driver issues than native controllers. On every board I've ever owned, these controllers are disabled before I even install Windows. First thing I do on the first POST is go into the BIOS and disable them along with any of the other garbage I'll never use.
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DeathFlows
March 1, 2014 7:41:03 AM
techgeek said:
DeathFlows said:
should I also wait? my bday is in may and ima have around 500 to spend and that will only be for cpu mobo ram and maybe psuWaiting is a difficult game to do. Really it's tough to say. You could wait and find out that you waited for less than a 10% increase in speed or marginally better power efficiency. With only $500 dollars for CPU, mobo and RAM with the possibility of a PSU as well, you might be better served with an AMD build anyway. Maybe without the PSU you could squeek by with a decent Intel build. The one thing that may play into your favor with waiting is in that time you might be able to save a few more dollars to put towards your build.
could i just get one of these from microcenter a cpu and mobo combo it's 300 with the mobo and i5 4670k and i can use the 200 on 8gb of ram and the rest on the psu couldn't i?
http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-...
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techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
I'd just go for an Ivy Bridge i5 3570k and not worry about playing the "My stuff is newer and therefore better than yours" game.Why would you suggest Ivy Bridge over Haswell at this point? Socket 1155 is dead. I also think it's not a case of e-penis that he's worried about, more a case of buyers remorse.
Hmm, lets see. Haswell stuff is more expensive for not much benefit and is as dead as Ivy Bridge. After all Broadwell will require a different chipset remember? So why bother with Haswell when an Ivy Bridge is cheaper and has just as much choice and power as Haswell.
Good enough reason? I think so.
EDIT: For clarity, I should point out that when I say Haswell is dead, I mean that any motherboard/CPU combo you buy now for Haswell will NOT allow you to run a Broadwell chip. So If you want to upgrade to Broadwell, you may as well get Ivy Bridge now and save money.
I wasn't arguing that Broadwell will be compatible with the 8 series chipsets. However the upgrade path is dead now for 1155. Ivy Bridge isn't cheaper than Haswell and the motherboards aren't anymore expensive either. The one thing is your running out of options with Ivy Bridge since most of the motherboard and CPU's are drying up. Today a i5 4770K is $380 CAD and a i7 3770K is $360 CAD. Twenty dollars doesn't make it much more expensive. There are still some more processors coming for this generation of Haswell, albeit probably nothing that's going to knock anyone's socks off. There are no more Ivy Bridges coming. Also an Ivy Bridge platform (Z77) only comes with 2 native SATA III sockets, Haswell comes with 6. Today most enthusiasts run more than two SATA III devices. Granted if one of them is a traditional HDD it could be run on SATA II without a performance penalty, but why should anyone have to.
techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
techgeek said:
AdmiralDonut said:
I'd just go for an Ivy Bridge i5 3570k and not worry about playing the "My stuff is newer and therefore better than yours" game.Why would you suggest Ivy Bridge over Haswell at this point? Socket 1155 is dead. I also think it's not a case of e-penis that he's worried about, more a case of buyers remorse.
Hmm, lets see. Haswell stuff is more expensive for not much benefit and is as dead as Ivy Bridge. After all Broadwell will require a different chipset remember? So why bother with Haswell when an Ivy Bridge is cheaper and has just as much choice and power as Haswell.
Good enough reason? I think so.
EDIT: For clarity, I should point out that when I say Haswell is dead, I mean that any motherboard/CPU combo you buy now for Haswell will NOT allow you to run a Broadwell chip. So If you want to upgrade to Broadwell, you may as well get Ivy Bridge now and save money.
I wasn't arguing that Broadwell will be compatible with the 8 series chipsets. However the upgrade path is dead now for 1155. Ivy Bridge isn't cheaper than Haswell and the motherboards aren't anymore expensive either. The one thing is your running out of options with Ivy Bridge since most of the motherboard and CPU's are drying up. Today a i5 4770K is $380 CAD and a i7 3770K is $360 CAD. Twenty dollars doesn't make it much more expensive. There are still some more processors coming for this generation of Haswell, albeit probably nothing that's going to knock anyone's socks off. There are no more Ivy Bridges coming. Also an Ivy Bridge platform (Z77) only comes with 2 native SATA III sockets, Haswell comes with 6. Today most enthusiasts run more than two SATA III devices. Granted if one of them is a traditional HDD it could be run on SATA II without a performance penalty, but why should anyone have to.
You just contradicted yourself. You admit that Haswell and Broadwell both require different chipsets, thus any Haswell board purchased now will also be a "dead end" once Broadwell is released. I would also like to know where you are in the world that Ivy Bridge chips are so scarce, since I see plenty of them on the market, both new and secondhand, and all for a fair bit less than Haswell ones.
The only thing I will concede is the native SATA III ports on Ivy Bridge is less than that of Haswell, but there is no way that makes it worth paying out for Haswell over Ivy Bridge when there is no substantial difference between Intel supported SATA III and ones like the ASMedia on ASRock boards.
I haven't contradicted myself. Haswell today is the new tech. Broadwell isn't released yet, Ivy Bridge is dead and has been for 7-8 months. Just because there is still stock doesn't make it any less a dead end platform. I live in Canada and purchase from a large retailer/etailor and presently they have 5 1155 socket CPU's available and 13 1150 socket CPU's. As for motherboards there are 6 available for 1155 versus 74 available for 1150. As for secondhand, I wasn't talking about Fleabay. If we are talking secondhand, then LGA775 isn't dead yet either.
As for third party SATA controllers, they just plain suck. They are always slower than native controllers. Almost never work as the boot controller. Lastly always seem to have more driver issues than native controllers. On every board I've ever owned, these controllers are disabled before I even install Windows. First thing I do on the first POST is go into the BIOS and disable them along with any of the other garbage I'll never use.
You say getting Haswell is better because Ivy Bridge is dead. Well, getting a Haswell system today is the same thing. Since Intel announced that the Series 8 chipset will NOT be compatible with Broadwell, Haswell is no less a dead end than Ivy Bridge. Do you really not understand that? Buying Haswell now, especially when the prices of the older but no less powerful Ivy Bridge chips are lower is tantamount to wiping your ass with money.
As for where you shop, it would seem you shop in very limited places and have an exceptionally closed mind when it comes to purchasing from non mainstream sources. People like you are exactly the kind of people that big companies love. Stupid ones, who praise the latest and decry the last generation just because "It's old". Common sense would dictate that if the OP's current system is older than Ivy Bridge, that he or she upgrade to that and then wait it out for Broadwell. If the OP is already on Ivy Bridge then I would recommend staying there until the finer details for Broadwell are released. Even then I would not recommend upgrading to Haswell until the Series 9 chipset motherboards are released, at least that way there will be something from their system that can be re-used.
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First, unless I missed something, you don't plan to build this computer until June, correct? Why not just pick out all parts but the board and cpu (and maybe cooler in case it won't fit for unforseen reasons) and then hold off on the those 2 parts until you are ready to buy, when more info comes out.
As for the price difference between Haswell and Ivy, while it fluctuates, the prices are fairly similar between the 2. Looking at Amazon at the moment Ivy is actually about $6 more than the comparable Haswell (3570k/4670k).
The boards might have a bit larger difference in prices, but from what I have seen, some of the Z77 boards I used to be familiar with arent really being sold much anymore. The comparable Z87 boards might be slightly more expensive, but not by much
As for the price difference between Haswell and Ivy, while it fluctuates, the prices are fairly similar between the 2. Looking at Amazon at the moment Ivy is actually about $6 more than the comparable Haswell (3570k/4670k).
The boards might have a bit larger difference in prices, but from what I have seen, some of the Z77 boards I used to be familiar with arent really being sold much anymore. The comparable Z87 boards might be slightly more expensive, but not by much
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mc962 said:
First, unless I missed something, you don't plan to build this computer until June, correct? Why not just pick out all parts but the board and cpu (and maybe cooler in case it won't fit for unforseen reasons) and then hold off on the those 2 parts until you are ready to buy, when more info comes out.As for the price difference between Haswell and Ivy, while it fluctuates, the prices are fairly similar between the 2. Looking at Amazon at the moment Ivy is actually about $6 more than the comparable Haswell (3570k/4670k).
The boards might have a bit larger difference in prices, but from what I have seen, some of the Z77 boards I used to be familiar with arent really being sold much anymore. The comparable Z87 boards might be slightly more expensive, but not by much
I already have the PC now, but i currently have an AMD ATHLON X4 760K and a GIGABYTE GA-F2-A75M-HD2. its Ok but my fav game Bfe gets huge frame drops on 64 man to mid twenties. i want to change the CPu and motherboard. i already have a spare copy of win 8 and am set pretty much on the i5 as i want to get DayZ which is highly single threaded, meaning AMD will do crap in comparrision. so what wopuld you do? Wait for broadwell or Jump on the i5 now?
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I have the 4670k and I like it. It's unlikely you will notice the difference between Ivy and Haswell. But considering the similarity in prices, I would recommend getting the newer tech here, as the Haswell is in theory slightly faster, and the boards are newer (in this case the big new thing will probably be more native Intel SATA ports). And I would second what was said eariler about Intel's ports being better than the Asmedia ones. I remember a post on this forum recently about someone trying to use their boot drive on an Asmedia port and it didn't work too well, but the Intel one worked fine.
So to sum up, my recommendation is the 4670k (Haswell). My only regret is that I didnt look around more for boards. I love the I have now, but there is another one I found recently that, while very overpriced, looks like a nice one to work with
So to sum up, my recommendation is the 4670k (Haswell). My only regret is that I didnt look around more for boards. I love the I have now, but there is another one I found recently that, while very overpriced, looks like a nice one to work with
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mc962 said:
I have the 4670k and I like it. It's unlikely you will notice the difference between Ivy and Haswell. But considering the similarity in prices, I would recommend getting the newer tech here, as the Haswell is in theory slightly faster, and the boards are newer (in this case the big new thing will probably be more native Intel SATA ports). And I would second what was said eariler about Intel's ports being better than the Asmedia ones. I remember a post on this forum recently about someone trying to use their boot drive on an Asmedia port and it didn't work too well, but the Intel one worked fine.So to sum up, my recommendation is the 4670k (Haswell). My only regret is that I didnt look around more for boards. I love the I have now, but there is another one I found recently that, while very overpriced, looks like a nice one to work with
So a MSi Z87-G45 GAMING and a 4670k is a good choice?
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The CPU definitely.
I prefer ASUS for boards, but in the end it's all a personal thing. I do hear a few more than average grumbles/complaints about quality control on MSI however compared to ASUS (ASUS' issue seems to be extremely poor customer service) But I was actually looking at that board myself before I decided on the one I have now. I would however suggest going with the regular G45 instead of the gaming unless you absolutely need the dragons or the Killer NIC (which not everyone agrees that it's particularly useful). The two models are pretty much the same board
I prefer ASUS for boards, but in the end it's all a personal thing. I do hear a few more than average grumbles/complaints about quality control on MSI however compared to ASUS (ASUS' issue seems to be extremely poor customer service) But I was actually looking at that board myself before I decided on the one I have now. I would however suggest going with the regular G45 instead of the gaming unless you absolutely need the dragons or the Killer NIC (which not everyone agrees that it's particularly useful). The two models are pretty much the same board
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Danzas4321 said:
mc962 said:
First, unless I missed something, you don't plan to build this computer until June, correct? Why not just pick out all parts but the board and cpu (and maybe cooler in case it won't fit for unforseen reasons) and then hold off on the those 2 parts until you are ready to buy, when more info comes out.As for the price difference between Haswell and Ivy, while it fluctuates, the prices are fairly similar between the 2. Looking at Amazon at the moment Ivy is actually about $6 more than the comparable Haswell (3570k/4670k).
The boards might have a bit larger difference in prices, but from what I have seen, some of the Z77 boards I used to be familiar with arent really being sold much anymore. The comparable Z87 boards might be slightly more expensive, but not by much
I already have the PC now, but i currently have an AMD ATHLON X4 760K and a GIGABYTE GA-F2-A75M-HD2. its Ok but my fav game Bfe gets huge frame drops on 64 man to mid twenties. i want to change the CPu and motherboard. i already have a spare copy of win 8 and am set pretty much on the i5 as i want to get DayZ which is highly single threaded, meaning AMD will do crap in comparrision. so what wopuld you do? Wait for broadwell or Jump on the i5 now?
I'm an ASUS guy myself, but build with whatever you feel comfortable with. Brand preference is a very personalized thing. I used to like GigaByte, but I got burned on the same board twice with the same problem, first time under warranty the next not. After that I've strictly stuck with ASUS and haven't had any problems with them. I find a board I'm interested in then I read some reviews from reputable sites and draw conclusions from that. I have the Maximus VI Hero and love it. It's also an affordable ROG which is nice. Overclocks well, stable, has everything you need without all the fluff you don't. No need to spend $300+ on boards with voltage measure points, added controllers that you won't use, built in wifi that you don't need.
I'm pretty sure you haven't given him any consideration, but forget the Donut. Apparently he couldn't grasp the concept that you were considering holding on Haswell to get Broadwell, instead his suggestion is to go even older. Who knows if there were Nehelams available new, or even Core 2 Quads, he'd suggest those over Haswell as well.
Really it comes down to whether you can wait or not. Maybe Intel will release earlier than predicted and you may not have to wait much past June, then the decision would be easy. You can't go wrong with Haswell, a i5 4670K should give you all sorts of fun at stock and even more fun tweaking the hell out of it. Maybe you'll even win the Haswell lottery and get a good overclocker (4.8GHz on air), they are out there.
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