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March 2, 2014 1:56:05 AM

I was wondering what the best parts to get and what parts i would need for a water cooled system. I mean everything form tubing to any blocks and reservoir that i would need. My PC specs are:
MOBO:Asus M5A97 LE R2.0
CPU: FX Vishera 8350 3.7ghz
GPU: AMD Radeon 7870 2gb X2 in crossfire
PSU: 700W Thermaltake
Ram: 2X 2gb Corsair Sport (i think)
HDD: 1tb Seagate Barracuda, 128gb Samsung SSD.
Cooling: 4 120mm case fans, 1 Hyper T4 Cpu fan.
Thermaltake mid tower.

If there are any upgrades needed please include that. I dont want a crazy watercooled system just a decent one for my cpu that will look nice. Also if the cool could be blue to match my LEDs' that would be nice :)  thanks!!!!

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March 2, 2014 2:00:36 AM

your mobo doesnt support OC, especially for power hungry 8350
so it will be better if you swap the mobo first, and then think about OC + watercooling
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March 2, 2014 2:12:05 AM

You actually don't need a water cooling solution for this setup. 4 120mm fans are good enough. Still want to do that then better change the mobo first.
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March 2, 2014 2:17:43 AM

EasyLover said:
You actually don't need a water cooling solution for this setup. 4 120mm fans are good enough. Still want to do that then better change the mobo first.


So say i change the MOBO which one do you reccomend to support all my pieces as well as water cooling. I just want water cooling for Asthetic reasons and noise reduction as well as if i OC in the future
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March 2, 2014 2:19:48 AM

You're generally better off with a decent air cooler - water coolers tend to be very pricey for the added performance, and would be something I'd only look into if there are no other improvements to make.
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March 2, 2014 2:30:10 AM

+1 with Someone Somwhere. I myself has always recommended air coolers particularly Notua NH-14D/NH-U14S. But if you are really into water based cooling system then get H320 or Corsair H100i. They are AIO liquid cooling kits and are very effective and easy to handle.
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March 2, 2014 2:31:46 AM

EasyLover said:
+1 with Someone Somwhere. I myself has always recommended air coolers particularly Notua NH-14D/NH-U14S. But if you are really into water based cooling system then get H320 or Corsair H100i. They are AIO liquid cooling kits and are very effective and easy to handle.


Yeah i just have nothing i really wanna upgrade from here. I just added the new processor and just added another GPU. I just wanna make my system look good and push it to the limit. Also im not sure what AIO means lol.
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March 2, 2014 2:33:52 AM

EasyLover said:
+1 with Someone Somwhere. I myself has always recommended air coolers particularly Notua NH-14D/NH-U14S. But if you are really into water based cooling system then get H320 or Corsair H100i. They are AIO liquid cooling kits and are very effective and easy to handle.


Also not sure if you saw this article but the H320 isnt able to be sold in the US. http://www.swiftech.com/pr-7-19-13-h220-removedfromus.a...
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March 2, 2014 2:36:10 AM

Chrisbelt14 said:
EasyLover said:
+1 with Someone Somwhere. I myself has always recommended air coolers particularly Notua NH-14D/NH-U14S. But if you are really into water based cooling system then get H320 or Corsair H100i. They are AIO liquid cooling kits and are very effective and easy to handle.


Also not sure if you saw this article but the H320 isnt able to be sold in the US. http://www.swiftech.com/pr-7-19-13-h220-removedfromus.a...


I was not aware that you are from US.
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March 2, 2014 2:37:29 AM

EasyLover said:
Chrisbelt14 said:
EasyLover said:
+1 with Someone Somwhere. I myself has always recommended air coolers particularly Notua NH-14D/NH-U14S. But if you are really into water based cooling system then get H320 or Corsair H100i. They are AIO liquid cooling kits and are very effective and easy to handle.


Also not sure if you saw this article but the H320 isnt able to be sold in the US. http://www.swiftech.com/pr-7-19-13-h220-removedfromus.a...


I was not aware that you are from US.



Yes i am from the US. Lol. But other than you preferring air cooling what MOBO would you suggest i upgrade too in order to OC and to water cool my system?
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March 2, 2014 2:51:34 AM



I will get the MSI one. Now do i need any cpu blocks or special things to cool my GPU's ??? Or are there good priced complete kits?
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March 2, 2014 2:54:42 AM

My recommendation would be ASRock. Anyhow, MSI is good as well. Just get H100i as it is all in one kit and it will be good enough for your requirements.
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March 2, 2014 3:06:01 AM

EasyLover said:
My recommendation would be ASRock. Anyhow, MSI is good as well. Just get H100i as it is all in one kit and it will be good enough for your requirements.


Okay and another thing. Would i need more than one Radiator? i see many building with multiple rads. Would i need more or is one good enough for say, a cpu and gpu cooling system?
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March 2, 2014 3:22:27 AM

H100i is CPU cooler. If you want to cool GPU then buy hydro GPU so that you can water cool it. otherwise no need to do that.
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March 2, 2014 3:44:25 AM

The H100i is a Closed Loop Liquid Cooler. They tend to be cheaper than real loops, but can't be changed and generally can't be repaired.

AIO = All In One. Often used to refer to a set containing all the things you need for a basic loop. An easy+cheaper way to get all the bits needed for a custom loop.

You can't cool a GPU with a CLLC (except for a very few loops that come with a block for a specific GPU), but you can get GPU blocks that will connect to an AIO set.
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March 2, 2014 4:01:07 AM

@ Chrisbelt14

Motherboard wise I'd go with the ASUS Sabertooth that was previously recommended.

When you previously asked what AIO stood for it is All In One, now personally those recommending air coolers only probably have never water cooled and could actually fear it, but IMO if all you would consider is going with an AIO cooling assembly you may as well stick to air cooling because the high end air coolers are competitive to the AIO water coolers.

No offense meant regarding any previous suggestions, but if you want water cooling information, get it from water coolers, things were much simpler at Toms when we had a dedicated water cooling section but it was lost in the last software change and apparently is not coming back!

So lets get down to business and the first point to make is you want to water cool for overclocking headroom, thus the reason to go with a motherboard that will allow you to overclock with only your cooling being your limitation.

If you are seriously considering water cooling your CPU for higher overclocking headroom the kit I'm suggesting below will do it for you, however the radiator is the highest performer EK offers and is 64mm thick, it may require top mounting or side mounting on your case and will require an additional mounting kit but otherwise everything you need is in the kit.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_202_946&products_id=33430

Most of us have just used these type mounting brackets below.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_457_335_987&products_id=33483

So now the ball is in your court, yes you can go cheaper but the end results may be far from what you want to achieve in your overclocking!

I hope that information helps you. Ryan

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March 2, 2014 4:06:33 AM

I thought AIO often referred to kits, and CLLC was the non-modifiable loops?

Still, a lot of what you said is what I said earlier.

I usually don't recommend Sabertooth, ROG, or other ultra-high-end boards. They tend to be very barely better than boards $100 or more cheaper, and you pay for the bling.
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March 2, 2014 4:20:11 AM

Someone Somewhere said:
I thought AIO often referred to kits, and CLLC was the non-modifiable loops?

Still, a lot of what you said is what I said earlier.

I usually don't recommend Sabertooth, ROG, or other ultra-high-end boards. They tend to be very barely better than boards $100 or more cheaper, and you pay for the bling.


You could consider AIO as a kit, however there are no kits that additionally cover GPUs today and to me that would actually be a true AIO, they did support it all in days long gone, even the chipset as well, but not today.

If you can find a true AIO water cooling solution please post a link to it?

It's an ASUS Sabertooth Intel version allowing the 5ghz overclock in my CPU-Z validation in my sig?

What are you overclocked to?

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March 2, 2014 4:43:08 AM

I'm currently under the assumption that 'AIO' and 'kit' generally refer to a set of parts, sold together, that you can assemble into a loop. That's an open loop setup, not a closed option like Corsair (for example) makes. You could add a GPU block and extra length of pipe (and probably an extra rad) to one of these kits to cool a GPU.

I haven't been following the cooling side of things too closely, though. My terminology may be off.

I'm not saying Sabertooths are bad (I'm of the opinion that they're a very good board), but from what I've seen the advantages don't tend to show up until you're either doing a really serious loop, or you're using cryogenics. Not certain, but IIRC the Toms board roundups found it performing within tens of MHz of ~$130 boards under a NH-D14 or H100 or something. Have to have another look.
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March 2, 2014 4:52:53 AM

In MHO, AIO refers to already assembled components in water cooling which user don't have to connect or assemble themselves but can easily install out of the box.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/closed-loop-aio-liqu...
http://www.tested.com/tech/pcs/454784-how-choose-all-on...
http://www.swiftech.com/h220.aspx


Now EK is using this terminology in context of solution for CPU and Motherboard not just CPU itself. For example: http://www.ekwb.com/news/450/19/EK-introduces-ASUS-Maxi...

OP: If you want to cool your graphics cards, you can use NZXT G10 mounting bracket along with any AIO/closed loop with it.
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March 2, 2014 5:11:04 AM

Actually the AIO exact definition does not help the OP solve his situation, so can we all just see what Chrisbelt14 wants to do with the information already given?
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March 2, 2014 6:45:25 AM

swiftech h220X is the best choice
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March 2, 2014 5:44:39 PM

In Reply to everyone!

I appreciate the answers given. IMO Ryan is going in the direction i want to go. I do not care how much the loop will cost or if it can be used out of the box with no assembly. I just want to OC my cpu and possibly my gpu and have the best asthetically pleasing loop that i can get. I have seen that the 7870's are very difficult to get a water block for. I may be mistaken but ive seen you have to make modifications. So my cpu may be the only thing i cool. But back to the beginning, I only want to water cool my system because i have nothing else to do. Its just something i want to do just so i can say "hey i have a watercooled loop that i made". Bragging rights if you will. My only thing about the Asus Sabertooth is that i want my things to match in a way that it looks good. The MSI board that was linked above matches perfectly. However if you all agree that the Sabertooth is better than i shall purchase it!

Thanks for all the replies :)  -Chris
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March 3, 2014 3:01:14 AM

Chrisbelt14 said:
In Reply to everyone!

I appreciate the answers given. IMO Ryan is going in the direction i want to go. I do not care how much the loop will cost or if it can be used out of the box with no assembly. I just want to OC my cpu and possibly my gpu and have the best asthetically pleasing loop that i can get. I have seen that the 7870's are very difficult to get a water block for. I may be mistaken but ive seen you have to make modifications. So my cpu may be the only thing i cool. But back to the beginning, I only want to water cool my system because i have nothing else to do. Its just something i want to do just so i can say "hey i have a watercooled loop that i made". Bragging rights if you will. My only thing about the Asus Sabertooth is that i want my things to match in a way that it looks good. The MSI board that was linked above matches perfectly. However if you all agree that the Sabertooth is better than i shall purchase it!

Thanks for all the replies :)  -Chris


Water cooling the CPU only will give you the opportunity to see just how far you can get overclocking it, because adding the heat of the GPU to the same loop lowers the overclocking head room of the CPU.

The kit I linked will allow expanding later to cover the GPU but from my own experience it is best to cool the GPU on it's own independent loop so the CPUs overclocking head room is not lowered.

Motherboard wise get what you want, just make sure you don't regret it later, there's nothing worse than making decisions that fall short of your goals, looks and performance are usually always two completely different approaches, and a compromise is a compromise, I still recommend the Sabertooth.

Consider this, you want overclocking head room, so don't compromise the cooling or you will regret it later, there's a certain level of overclocking heat you will need to be able to handle and if you choose a smaller radiator kit, you won't get the the same results, a lesser kit is lesser cooling.

Good luck! Ryan

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March 3, 2014 11:21:32 PM

4Ryan6 said:
Chrisbelt14 said:
In Reply to everyone!

I appreciate the answers given. IMO Ryan is going in the direction i want to go. I do not care how much the loop will cost or if it can be used out of the box with no assembly. I just want to OC my cpu and possibly my gpu and have the best asthetically pleasing loop that i can get. I have seen that the 7870's are very difficult to get a water block for. I may be mistaken but ive seen you have to make modifications. So my cpu may be the only thing i cool. But back to the beginning, I only want to water cool my system because i have nothing else to do. Its just something i want to do just so i can say "hey i have a watercooled loop that i made". Bragging rights if you will. My only thing about the Asus Sabertooth is that i want my things to match in a way that it looks good. The MSI board that was linked above matches perfectly. However if you all agree that the Sabertooth is better than i shall purchase it!

Thanks for all the replies :)  -Chris


Water cooling the CPU only will give you the opportunity to see just how far you can get overclocking it, because adding the heat of the GPU to the same loop lowers the overclocking head room of the CPU.

The kit I linked will allow expanding later to cover the GPU but from my own experience it is best to cool the GPU on it's own independent loop so the CPUs overclocking head room is not lowered.

Motherboard wise get what you want, just make sure you don't regret it later, there's nothing worse than making decisions that fall short of your goals, looks and performance are usually always two completely different approaches, and a compromise is a compromise, I still recommend the Sabertooth.

Consider this, you want overclocking head room, so don't compromise the cooling or you will regret it later, there's a certain level of overclocking heat you will need to be able to handle and if you choose a smaller radiator kit, you won't get the the same results, a lesser kit is lesser cooling.

Good luck! Ryan




Thanks Ryan. I appreciate the help here. I am new to the PC scene being that i only built my pc a year ago and since have built another. But never have water cooled. I do regret a few descisions made when choosing parts and not being please with what i chose. But i am going to go with the kit you linked. As well as the Sabertooth! I have seen a lot of posts recently of that MSI board bios not being compatible with my FX 8350 so i think i will just stick with Asus and get the sabertooth. Thanks for the help. i will post again when my build is finished and i have everything installed and working. Ill also share pics of my build if you are intrested.

Thanks Chris
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March 4, 2014 1:23:44 AM

Looking forward to the pics!

Best To You! Ry
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