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How can I use my Samsung Evo 250 as a boot drive, but also use part of it to cache my 1TB hard drive?

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March 3, 2014 9:39:01 AM

I'm going to build my first pc, and most of it should arrive in a few days. I want to use my SSD as a boot drive for fast speeds, but also to cache whatever isn't used for windows 8. Basically I don't want to have to decide which games and programs I will put on the SSD, and which on the hdd. How do i set this up?

PC Specs:

4770k
GTX 770 by Gigabyte
Asus z87-a motherboard
Corsair Carbide Air 540
Samsung 840 Evo 250 GB
1TB Western Digital Blue hard drive
Rosewell Hive 650 Watt psu
Mushkin Radioactive RAM 8GB
Windows 8.1
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March 3, 2014 9:45:46 AM

myselfasme said:
I'me going to build my first pc, and most of it should arrive in a few days. I want to use my SSD as a boot drive for fast speeds, but also to cache whatever isn't used for windows 8. Basically I don't want to have to decide which games and programs I will put on the SSD, and which on the hdd. How do i set this up?

PC Specs:

4770k
GTX 770 by Gigabyte
Asus z87-a motherboard
Corsair Carbide Air 540
Samsung 840 Evo 250 GB
1TB Western Digital Blue hard drive
Rosewell Hive 650 Watt psu
Mushkin Radioactive RAM 8GB
Windows 8.1


Set it up with two partitions. It will be like having two separate drives.
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March 3, 2014 9:51:21 AM

ram1009 said:
myselfasme said:
I'me going to build my first pc, and most of it should arrive in a few days. I want to use my SSD as a boot drive for fast speeds, but also to cache whatever isn't used for windows 8. Basically I don't want to have to decide which games and programs I will put on the SSD, and which on the hdd. How do i set this up?

PC Specs:

4770k
GTX 770 by Gigabyte
Asus z87-a motherboard
Corsair Carbide Air 540
Samsung 840 Evo 250 GB
1TB Western Digital Blue hard drive
Rosewell Hive 650 Watt psu
Mushkin Radioactive RAM 8GB
Windows 8.1


Set it up with two partitions. It will be like having two separate drives.


But what do I do after that to configure caching? I've looked online and can't seem to find any guides.
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March 3, 2014 9:52:59 AM

myselfasme said:
I'me going to build my first pc, and most of it should arrive in a few days. I want to use my SSD as a boot drive for fast speeds, but also to cache whatever isn't used for windows 8. Basically I don't want to have to decide which games and programs I will put on the SSD, and which on the hdd. How do i set this up?


You don't.
I think what you're asking is to have it all as one large C drive. Not a good idea.

250GB SSD as C. OS and ALL your applications.
The WD Blue for all other stuff. You can default Docs/Images/Music to go to the HDD.
You can create multiple locations within the Steam and Origin client for installation places.

Using part of the SSD as cache for the HDD still results in two drives (C and D), just more complex and failure-prone.
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March 3, 2014 9:55:48 AM

I have not yet done so, but I think the Samsung magician rapid software will do exactly what you want.
It might be a good argument to buy 16gb of ram up front
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-840-evo-rev...

240gb will hold quite a large number of games.
I would simply use the hard drive for large files such as backups and video files.

Intel sata drivers will allow you to use up to 64 gb of your ssd as a cache, but I think this would be helpful only in a very limited scenario.
That is where you will use 64gb of your hard drive intensively for a while, then change over to a different set of 64gb and use it intensively. Not vey likely, in my opinion.
The net is that it is better to use all of the ssd for your files.
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March 3, 2014 9:57:36 AM

USAFRet said:
myselfasme said:
I'me going to build my first pc, and most of it should arrive in a few days. I want to use my SSD as a boot drive for fast speeds, but also to cache whatever isn't used for windows 8. Basically I don't want to have to decide which games and programs I will put on the SSD, and which on the hdd. How do i set this up?


You don't.
I think what you're asking is to have it all as one large C drive. Not a good idea.

250GB SSD as C. OS and ALL your applications.
The WD Blue for all other stuff. You can default Docs/Images/Music to go to the HDD.
You can create multiple locations within the Steam and Origin client for installation places.

Using part of the SSD as cache for the HDD still results in two drives (C and D), just more complex and failure-prone.


Not quite. I want to partition part of the SSD for just the OS, then the rest combine with the HDD. That way I should be able to let the system see what files I use the most, like Chrome or Bioshock, then if I stop playing bioshock as much it will automatically move it back to the HDD without me having to manually move it back.

Is that solution still error-prone somehow?
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March 3, 2014 10:01:52 AM

geofelt said:
I have not yet done so, but I think the Samsung magician rapid software will do exactly what you want.
It might be a good argument to buy 16gb of ram up front
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-840-evo-rev...

240gb will hold quite a large number of games.
I would simply use the hard drive for large files such as backups and video files.


I will be using RAPID, which is awesome, but that won't help to manage the HDD.

I did think about 16GB for that, but for me I don't think I'll need it yet anyway. I'm not a huge power user, at least most of the time.

And the ESO beta alone is 50GB
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March 3, 2014 10:13:32 AM

myselfasme said:
USAFRet said:
myselfasme said:
I'me going to build my first pc, and most of it should arrive in a few days. I want to use my SSD as a boot drive for fast speeds, but also to cache whatever isn't used for windows 8. Basically I don't want to have to decide which games and programs I will put on the SSD, and which on the hdd. How do i set this up?


You don't.
I think what you're asking is to have it all as one large C drive. Not a good idea.

250GB SSD as C. OS and ALL your applications.
The WD Blue for all other stuff. You can default Docs/Images/Music to go to the HDD.
You can create multiple locations within the Steam and Origin client for installation places.

Using part of the SSD as cache for the HDD still results in two drives (C and D), just more complex and failure-prone.


Not quite. I want to partition part of the SSD for just the OS, then the rest combine with the HDD. That way I should be able to let the system see what files I use the most, like Chrome or Bioshock, then if I stop playing bioshock as much it will automatically move it back to the HDD without me having to manually move it back.

Is that solution still error-prone somehow?


The 'SSD as cache' concept does not keep the whole game or application on the SSD. Just the most frequently accessed individual files. bioshock.exe or whatever. The maps and textures? Not so much.

As said earlier, a 256GB SSD can hold a LOT of stuff. And aside from level loading times, games don't really care what type of drive they are on. Framerate does not change.
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March 3, 2014 10:16:50 AM

USAFRet said:
myselfasme said:
USAFRet said:
myselfasme said:
I'me going to build my first pc, and most of it should arrive in a few days. I want to use my SSD as a boot drive for fast speeds, but also to cache whatever isn't used for windows 8. Basically I don't want to have to decide which games and programs I will put on the SSD, and which on the hdd. How do i set this up?


You don't.
I think what you're asking is to have it all as one large C drive. Not a good idea.

250GB SSD as C. OS and ALL your applications.
The WD Blue for all other stuff. You can default Docs/Images/Music to go to the HDD.
You can create multiple locations within the Steam and Origin client for installation places.

Using part of the SSD as cache for the HDD still results in two drives (C and D), just more complex and failure-prone.


Not quite. I want to partition part of the SSD for just the OS, then the rest combine with the HDD. That way I should be able to let the system see what files I use the most, like Chrome or Bioshock, then if I stop playing bioshock as much it will automatically move it back to the HDD without me having to manually move it back.

Is that solution still error-prone somehow?


The 'SSD as cache' concept does not keep the whole game or application on the SSD. Just the most frequently accessed individual files. bioshock.exe or whatever. The maps and textures? Not so much.

As said earlier, a 256GB SSD can hold a LOT of stuff. And aside from level loading times, games don't really care what type of drive they are on. Framerate does not change.


Oh i get it. So even if I play bioshock a lot, if I haven't played the next level it will have to load it of of the hdd. :( 
Do you still think it would be a good idea to use only about 20GB or so for a cache, or just use all of it for the os and most used files?
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March 3, 2014 10:21:55 AM

myselfasme said:

Oh i get it. So even if I play bioshock a lot, if I haven't played the next level it will have to load it of of the hdd. :( 
Do you still think it would be a good idea to use only about 20GB or so for a cache, or just use all of it for the os and most used files?


I wouldn't. Extra complexity for little if any gain.
OS and all your applications. Add your 2 or 3 most played games.
Everything else lives on the HDD.
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