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March 4, 2014 4:50:24 PM

My wife has http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for a PC right now and it has worked pretty well up until now. I am wanting to get her an upgrade and was thinking that the graphics card would be a good place to start. What would be a good GPU for $200 or less that I could drop into her existing system? I have read somethings about the GTX 750ti as far as power consumption vs power and price but i'm just not sure to be honest. Help me tom's hardware you're my only hope.

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March 4, 2014 5:00:40 PM

ak47jar3d said:
I have no problem with 750 ti but 400 w is the requirements I keep seeing for this card. You should be able to run with 300 but I would not recommend it.http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E168144...


Can you recommend a good card that would run with the existing setup (300w PSU) or would I be better off splitting the budget between a PSU and a 750 ti?

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March 4, 2014 5:01:38 PM

do you know the specifics of your psu so i can do some calculations. also the 750ti is the best upgrade to go with without upgrading anything else and your mobo has a pcie x16 slot so your good there, also is the bios on that machine locked?
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March 4, 2014 5:03:16 PM

dazok85 said:
ak47jar3d said:
I have no problem with 750 ti but 400 w is the requirements I keep seeing for this card. You should be able to run with 300 but I would not recommend it.http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=N82E168144...


Can you recommend a good card that would run with the existing setup (300w PSU) or would I be better off splitting the budget between a PSU and a 750 ti? your system would pull


it says on nvidias website that max system requirement for the ti is 300 also need to do calculations to see if it will actuall sun on your current psu as it maybe 2 12v rails.

your system would only pull 14.41a on the single 12v rail and most 300w psu suppy around 24a on 12v rail i just need to check to be sure
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March 4, 2014 5:10:40 PM

Give me just a minute or two and i'll open it up and see what details I can get off of the PSU.
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March 4, 2014 5:15:46 PM

Bad_Kitty13 said:
do you know the specifics of your psu so i can do some calculations. also the 750ti is the best upgrade to go with without upgrading anything else and your mobo has a pcie x16 slot so your good there, also is the bios on that machine locked?

So it has the following information on the PSU:
AC Input 110-120v~,8.0A, 50-60Hz 220-240V~,4.0A,50-60Hz
DC Output +3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 -12V +5Vsb
10.0A 10.0A 13.0A 13.0A 0.3A 2.0A
Max combined Wattage 83w 216w 3.6w 10w

Also i'm unsure about the bios being locked or not, how do I check?
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March 4, 2014 5:17:42 PM

alrighty just post your findings
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March 4, 2014 5:20:11 PM

ak47jar3d said:
I would recommend just getting a new power supply for future upgrades anyways with 550w. Gtx 650 is going for 110 if you afford the cost of 750ti and psu.http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00966IU4M/ref=mp_s_a_1_2...


If I do go the route of upgrading the PSU, which i'm not 100% opposed to, is there anything I need to be looking out for when selecting a new PSU other than watts? How can I tell the actual physical size of the PSU and whether or not it will work out with everything else in the case?
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March 4, 2014 5:25:58 PM

Bad_Kitty13 said:
alrighty just post your findings


So it has the following information on the PSU:
AC Input 110-120v~,8.0A, 50-60Hz 220-240V~,4.0A,50-60Hz
DC Output +3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 -12V +5Vsb
10.0A 10.0A 13.0A 13.0A 0.3A 2.0A
Max combined Wattage 83w 216w 3.6w 10w

Also i'm unsure about the bios being locked or not, how do I check?
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March 4, 2014 5:29:27 PM

selecting a new psu you need to be sure what tier it is as that detirmines build quality andthe 750 ti is only a 60watt card and your cpu is only 84w and the most a highend mobo chipset/memory controller can draw is 72w 550 watt is complete overkill, can i get a make/model of your psu as it has 2 12v rails i need to see how it is setup as the 750ti only draws power through the mobo and doesnt use pin connector. so i need the make model of your psu to see if your current setup can run it

the bios you need to go into it as it is a factory system and see if you have hw/monitor memory options cpu options. if it is locked it should be a blue colored screen.
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March 4, 2014 5:35:15 PM

Bad_Kitty13 said:
selecting a new psu you need to be sure what tier it is as that detirmines build quality andthe 750 ti is only a 60watt card and your cpu is only 84w and the most a highend mobo chipset/memory controller can draw is 72w 550 watt is complete overkill, can i get a make/model of your psu as it has 2 12v rails i need to see how it is setup as the 750ti only draws power through the mobo and doesnt use pin connector. so i need the make model of your psu to see if your current setup can run it


AcBel HBA0008-ZA1GT 350 is what it says on the side, a quick google search turned up this thread on these very forums http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/333953-28-asus-cm6850...
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March 4, 2014 5:52:52 PM

@Bad_Kitty13

I would say that overkill is good when talking about psu. You don't have to do the math and you won't have to change with most upgrades at 550w.
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March 4, 2014 5:55:05 PM

as your psu has 2 rails when combined only push a max load of 192w this is about 16a and since it is a cheaper quality build i personally would not reccomend this, the cheapest quality build psu i have found it this on...it is overkill on wattage but typically anything below a 500w psu is of a lower quality build. this psu is a tier 1 psu and i use xfx alot they are reliable and clean power
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb...

as for the 750 ti i would go with this one as it has the highest clocks for the price
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp43753k...

if you need a different card because of the psu cost let me know and i will search for you

the issue about the bios isnt a big deal but i have dealt with apus before and if you are upgrading to a dedicated graphics card it is better to disable the integrated graphics core as it will boost performance on the computational cores.
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March 4, 2014 5:58:46 PM

ak47jar3d said:
@Bad_Kitty13

I would say that overkill is good when talking about psu. You don't have to do the math and you won't have to change with most upgrades at 550w.


i was just trying to get the best possible solution for him and you are right bigger is safer and in a new build im with you, but on an upgrade usually people are limited in budget and if a psu is already stable and not having issues and will support the upgrade then why mess with it. however this wasnt the case as it used an older dual 12v rail setup that limits the wattage the at pushes out. so he will need to go with psu upgrade as well
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March 4, 2014 5:58:47 PM

Not sure what kind of board Asus is using for this A8 APU, and not sure how the 7560D behaves in the presence of a discrete card. In H77/87 chipsets, the HD 4000/4600 integrated graphics are disabled and in Z77/87 chipsets, the integrated graphics are enabled, but not sure how FM2 manages its graphics. Maybe Radeon -G graphics don't like Nvidia?

Anyways, the 750 Ti is a fine choice, and you could also wait for the R7 265 to get a little more oomph and overclockability, but you really need to invest in a better PSU. If it were a 350W seasonic 80+ gold PSU, it might work, but it's clearly not. Bookmark this guide for reference http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

NO, NO, NO. Whoever told you that bigger is always better needs to go back to square one for learning about PSUs. You need what you need. 100w more than that is being safe, 200w more than that is futureproofing for SLI/CFX, 300w is overkill and a complete waste of electricity and money. For God's sake guys, this is an AMD APU PC and the 750 Ti doesn't even draw more than 75W.

@Bad_Kitty13 yes i must agree with your point about XFX PSUs; all of XFX's power supplies are made by Seasonic and you can't go wrong with them.
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March 4, 2014 5:59:35 PM

Bad_Kitty13 said:
as your psu has 2 rails when combined only push a max load of 192w this is about 16a and since it is a cheaper quality build i personally would not reccomend this, the cheapest quality build psu i have found it this on...it is overkill on wattage but typically anything below a 500w psu is of a lower quality build. this psu is a tier 1 psu and i use xfx alot they are reliable and clean power
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb...

as for the 750 ti i would go with this one as it has the highest clocks for the price
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp43753k...

if you need a different card because of the psu cost let me know and i will search for you

the issue about the bios isnt a big deal but i have dealt with apus before and if you are upgrading to a dedicated graphics card it is better to disable the integrated graphics core as it will boost performance on the computational cores.


Do PSU's vary much in regards to dimensions? Do I need to measure my current PSU's dimensions and make sure the new one matches the size as well or can I just buy the one you have linked and expect it to fit?
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March 4, 2014 6:02:08 PM

yes they do let me check
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March 4, 2014 6:14:31 PM

your case takes the standard size psu i just wanted to be sure.
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March 4, 2014 6:20:35 PM

Thank you so very much Bad_Kitty13. Going to pick up the parts you linked and get the wife's PC on it's way to being able to run all her games! Can you offer any other upgrade advice in general for the system? We will mainly be playing Wildstar at release and there isn't really anything else that she plays that would tax it.
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March 4, 2014 7:01:16 PM

Bad_Kitty13 said:
an ssd for speed it will boot windows in a bout 5 sec and program opening is instant

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-driv...

do you know how to switched the os to the ssd?


Not a clue, i've actually been considering an SSD for myself as well since the prices have really come down on them.
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March 4, 2014 7:09:41 PM

yea this achieved less in benchmarks but it is still a solid drive and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between this and the 840 pro(best ssd)

as far as switching the os it can be tricky but there are plenty of tutorials on it, you will need a bootable version of windows and your driver cds...little work around you can call asus and tell them your hard drive died and you already bougght a new ssd to replace it. see what they can do for you, hehehe
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March 4, 2014 7:23:34 PM

Thanks for the tips, you've been super helpful. Is there some sort of kudos system where I can give you super helpful cool internet points?
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March 4, 2014 7:26:56 PM

dazok85 said:
Thanks for the tips, you've been super helpful. Is there some sort of kudos system where I can give you super helpful cool internet points?


lol just picking the solution thats all i know of but your gratitude is enough. your wifes gonna love the new computer :) 
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