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March 5, 2014 6:48:21 AM

Hey guys, going to do my first build in a few months and wanted to get some advice on the components I've picked. I want to use the computer to play some games (like TitanFall) at 40-60 fps, watch full HD to 4K content, and store my blu-ray/DVD collection (400+ mainly DVD). Aside from that, will just use it for web browsing and office work. Don't plan to OC or do any video/photo editing. Thanks for the input!

CPU
Intel Core i5 4670

Motherboard
Asus Z87, H87, or Q87 (not sure which would be best based on my needs)

Ram
Corsair Vengence 16gb or 8gb

Storage
Samsung 840 evo 250gb (for OS, games, and other frequently accessed programs)
WD Black 4tb (for media storage)

GPU
Nvidia GeForce 770 or Gigabyte Windforce 770

PSU
Corsair GS700

Monitor
Asus pb278q

Optical Drive
Pioneer Black BDR-2209 internal SATA Blu-ray burner

Cooler
Corsair H100i (not sure if I'll need this, thinking I may be fine with the stock cooler since I don't plan to OC)

Case
Phanteks Enthoo Luxe

Budget is $2000, thanks guys!

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March 5, 2014 7:00:34 AM

1. You have selected the i5-4670 (non K). Why not a 4670k? (To overclock)
2. If you select a non k processor, then going with a z87 board doesnt make sense. So with the non "k" processor, h87 is fine.
3. 8 GB is enough.
4. WD blue for data storage. Black is costly and since you have 250 gb of ssd, blue is good for storage. Also get 2x2TB.
5.. Gigabyte windforce 770 because aftermarket cards are better, run cooler, are quiet and overclocked.
6. That is a great PSU. But you dont need 700W. I mean good options are available at cheaper price.
7. Very costly monitor. The gtx 770 may not be able to max out at 1440p. Save some money on monitor and get a powerful graphics card.
8. Ultra costly case. I dont recommend that costly case in that budget. Same here, cut budget and get a better card.
9. If going for the non k version cpu, you dont need water cooling at all.
Here is an alternate and better build suiting your budget-http://pcpartpicker.com/p/34xlG
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March 5, 2014 7:04:21 AM

Since you are going with a i5 4670 a H87 mobo is good.

Liquid cooling is not really needed when you don't OC since the temps won't get really high.
Try this one: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

GPU might be better to get a GTX780 since the performance increase for that price is just really crazy

You PSU is a 80+ Bronze Cert. I suggest getting a better one since you don't cut corners on the most important part of your system. Cooler Master V Series V700
This is a 80+ Gold Cert but manages to get Platinum aswell since it's just really high quality.
PSU tier list
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March 5, 2014 10:18:35 AM

verma1891 said:
1. You have selected the i5-4670 (non K). Why not a 4670k? (To overclock)
2. If you select a non k processor, then going with a z87 board doesnt make sense. So with the non "k" processor, h87 is fine.
3. 8 GB is enough.
4. WD blue for data storage. Black is costly and since you have 250 gb of ssd, blue is good for storage. Also get 2x2TB.
5.. Gigabyte windforce 770 because aftermarket cards are better, run cooler, are quiet and overclocked.
6. That is a great PSU. But you dont need 700W. I mean good options are available at cheaper price.
7. Very costly monitor. The gtx 770 may not be able to max out at 1440p. Save some money on monitor and get a powerful graphics card.
8. Ultra costly case. I dont recommend that costly case in that budget. Same here, cut budget and get a better card.
9. If going for the non k version cpu, you dont need water cooling at all.
Here is an alternate and better build suiting your budget-http://pcpartpicker.com/p/34xlG


1. I decided to go with the 4670 cause I don't plan on overclocking.
2. Ok, I just want to make sure I'll be able to output to 2560 x 1440. If the h87 can do that then I'll go with that one.
3. Cool
4. Ok, why go with 2x2tb instead of one 4tb?
5. Cool
6. I was thinking I should go with 700w cause I saw that the recommended power for the gpu was 600w. Thought I should go with 700 just to be safe.
7. I wanted to get a monitor with WQHD resolution. I figured a higher resolution monitor would be the way to go since I'm not going to want to buy another one for awhile. I was considering the 780, but thought I the 770 would be enough.
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March 5, 2014 10:31:51 AM

1.Ok, no overclock, non k processor. Sounds good.
2.H87 has no no difference than a z87 except for overclocking. (z87=h87+oc) Also your monitor has nothing to do with video output. It will be provided by your GPU.
3. If your HD fails? Think would you want to loose whole 4TB hdd data or just a one? It is a long shot though but think. Hard drives do fail.
4. Those 600W recommendations are just to cover up all the crap psu's out there.
5. Buying a higher resolution monitor is great. But would you like your games lagging at your native resolution of 1440p? If you want 144p that bad, get a cheaper 1440p monitor and keep the powerful card. I just dont like the idea of not having 780 or the ti in a $2000 build. Here is a cheaper 1440p monitor -http://pcpartpicker.com/part/hp-monitor-xw476a4aba

Btw, did you look at the build i suggested? (except for the monitor).
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March 5, 2014 1:22:24 PM

verma1891 said:
1. You have selected the i5-4670 (non K). Why not a 4670k? (To overclock)
2. If you select a non k processor, then going with a z87 board doesnt make sense. So with the non "k" processor, h87 is fine.
3. 8 GB is enough.
4. WD blue for data storage. Black is costly and since you have 250 gb of ssd, blue is good for storage. Also get 2x2TB.
5.. Gigabyte windforce 770 because aftermarket cards are better, run cooler, are quiet and overclocked.
6. That is a great PSU. But you dont need 700W. I mean good options are available at cheaper price.
7. Very costly monitor. The gtx 770 may not be able to max out at 1440p. Save some money on monitor and get a powerful graphics card.
8. Ultra costly case. I dont recommend that costly case in that budget. Same here, cut budget and get a better card.
9. If going for the non k version cpu, you dont need water cooling at all.
Here is an alternate and better build suiting your budget-http://pcpartpicker.com/p/34xlG


2. A Z87 would still make sense even with a locked processor. What happens if he chooses to overclock later, but decided on an H87? Instead of just buying a new CPU, he'd also need to buy a new board. By spending a little more now, he'll save more in the long run. I learnt this a few days ago

4. Are you suggesting he gets 4.2 TB of storage in total?

6. See #2, what if he decides he wants to SLI/Crossfire later or shove more components in there. Personally, if I could do I'd cover my bases from the outset, rather than cut back money now, and pay a lot more later (which is sort of what I did, but in hindsight am sort of wishing I hadn't)

I haven't looked at the other stuff
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March 5, 2014 1:27:06 PM

verma1891 said:
1.Ok, no overclock, non k processor. Sounds good.
2.H87 has no no difference than a z87 except for overclocking. (z87=h87+oc) Also your monitor has nothing to do with video output. It will be provided by your GPU.
3. If your HD fails? Think would you want to loose whole 4TB hdd data or just a one? It is a long shot though but think. Hard drives do fail.
4. Those 600W recommendations are just to cover up all the crap psu's out there.
5. Buying a higher resolution monitor is great. But would you like your games lagging at your native resolution of 1440p? If you want 144p that bad, get a cheaper 1440p monitor and keep the powerful card. I just dont like the idea of not having 780 or the ti in a $2000 build. Here is a cheaper 1440p monitor -http://pcpartpicker.com/part/hp-monitor-xw476a4aba

Btw, did you look at the build i suggested? (except for the monitor).


Then you're going to hate my build. Admittedly GPU is where I fell down a little, but in my defense my build packs features a lot of people don't put in theirs (or are being phased out, deemed not needed in a desktop, but are very useful)
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March 5, 2014 1:35:16 PM

LavyDunois said:
Since you are going with a i5 4670 a H87 mobo is good.

Liquid cooling is not really needed when you don't OC since the temps won't get really high.
Try this one: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

GPU might be better to get a GTX780 since the performance increase for that price is just really crazy

You PSU is a 80+ Bronze Cert. I suggest getting a better one since you don't cut corners on the most important part of your system. Cooler Master V Series V700
This is a 80+ Gold Cert but manages to get Platinum aswell since it's just really high quality.
PSU tier list


Cool, I'll take your suggestions for the PSU and cooler as well as up the video card.
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March 5, 2014 1:54:06 PM

unplanned bacon said:
verma1891 said:
1. You have selected the i5-4670 (non K). Why not a 4670k? (To overclock)
2. If you select a non k processor, then going with a z87 board doesnt make sense. So with the non "k" processor, h87 is fine.
3. 8 GB is enough.
4. WD blue for data storage. Black is costly and since you have 250 gb of ssd, blue is good for storage. Also get 2x2TB.
5.. Gigabyte windforce 770 because aftermarket cards are better, run cooler, are quiet and overclocked.
6. That is a great PSU. But you dont need 700W. I mean good options are available at cheaper price.
7. Very costly monitor. The gtx 770 may not be able to max out at 1440p. Save some money on monitor and get a powerful graphics card.
8. Ultra costly case. I dont recommend that costly case in that budget. Same here, cut budget and get a better card.
9. If going for the non k version cpu, you dont need water cooling at all.
Here is an alternate and better build suiting your budget-http://pcpartpicker.com/p/34xlG


2. A Z87 would still make sense even with a locked processor. What happens if he chooses to overclock later, but decided on an H87? Instead of just buying a new CPU, he'd also need to buy a new board. By spending a little more now, he'll save more in the long run. I learnt this a few days ago

4. Are you suggesting he gets 4.2 TB of storage in total?

6. See #2, what if he decides he wants to SLI/Crossfire later or shove more components in there. Personally, if I could do I'd cover my bases from the outset, rather than cut back money now, and pay a lot more later (which is sort of what I did, but in hindsight am sort of wishing I hadn't)

I haven't looked at the other stuff


You either go overclocked or you don't. You don't buy a OC board with a non K CPU and be like mweh, imma buy another CPU and OC. Just a decision you have te make from the start.

OC = free extra performance + more heat + more power consumption
Non OC = less heat + less powerconsumption
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March 5, 2014 1:57:10 PM

verma1891 said:
1.Ok, no overclock, non k processor. Sounds good.
2.H87 has no no difference than a z87 except for overclocking. (z87=h87+oc) Also your monitor has nothing to do with video output. It will be provided by your GPU.
3. If your HD fails? Think would you want to loose whole 4TB hdd data or just a one? It is a long shot though but think. Hard drives do fail.
4. Those 600W recommendations are just to cover up all the crap psu's out there.
5. Buying a higher resolution monitor is great. But would you like your games lagging at your native resolution of 1440p? If you want 144p that bad, get a cheaper 1440p monitor and keep the powerful card. I just dont like the idea of not having 780 or the ti in a $2000 build. Here is a cheaper 1440p monitor -http://pcpartpicker.com/part/hp-monitor-xw476a4aba

Btw, did you look at the build i suggested? (except for the monitor).


Yeah I looked at it. I'll take a closer look at some of the components there and compare to the ones I'm thinking about now. I see your point with the hard drives, I was going to set up a NAS sometime after the build is finished to back everything up. I do like the idea of the 2x2 drives so I'll likely go with that.

I do really want the higher resolution monitor. I'll check out the one you linked. I haven't seen it before and could definitely save some more money to put towards the gpu! Thanks!
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March 5, 2014 1:57:19 PM

JusBlaze77 said:
LavyDunois said:
Since you are going with a i5 4670 a H87 mobo is good.

Liquid cooling is not really needed when you don't OC since the temps won't get really high.
Try this one: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

GPU might be better to get a GTX780 since the performance increase for that price is just really crazy

You PSU is a 80+ Bronze Cert. I suggest getting a better one since you don't cut corners on the most important part of your system. Cooler Master V Series V700
This is a 80+ Gold Cert but manages to get Platinum aswell since it's just really high quality.
PSU tier list


Cool, I'll take your suggestions for the PSU and cooler as well as up the video card.


It might be an idea to pick up the Coolermaster v850 version of it so you can SLI (2x) GTX780 by the end of the year. That is if you want to spend more money on the rig. (Not needed though, that one GTX780 runs everything ultra)
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March 5, 2014 2:35:38 PM

LavyDunois said:
unplanned bacon said:
verma1891 said:
1. You have selected the i5-4670 (non K). Why not a 4670k? (To overclock)
2. If you select a non k processor, then going with a z87 board doesnt make sense. So with the non "k" processor, h87 is fine.
3. 8 GB is enough.
4. WD blue for data storage. Black is costly and since you have 250 gb of ssd, blue is good for storage. Also get 2x2TB.
5.. Gigabyte windforce 770 because aftermarket cards are better, run cooler, are quiet and overclocked.
6. That is a great PSU. But you dont need 700W. I mean good options are available at cheaper price.
7. Very costly monitor. The gtx 770 may not be able to max out at 1440p. Save some money on monitor and get a powerful graphics card.
8. Ultra costly case. I dont recommend that costly case in that budget. Same here, cut budget and get a better card.
9. If going for the non k version cpu, you dont need water cooling at all.
Here is an alternate and better build suiting your budget-http://pcpartpicker.com/p/34xlG


2. A Z87 would still make sense even with a locked processor. What happens if he chooses to overclock later, but decided on an H87? Instead of just buying a new CPU, he'd also need to buy a new board. By spending a little more now, he'll save more in the long run. I learnt this a few days ago

4. Are you suggesting he gets 4.2 TB of storage in total?

6. See #2, what if he decides he wants to SLI/Crossfire later or shove more components in there. Personally, if I could do I'd cover my bases from the outset, rather than cut back money now, and pay a lot more later (which is sort of what I did, but in hindsight am sort of wishing I hadn't)

I haven't looked at the other stuff


You either go overclocked or you don't. You don't buy a OC board with a non K CPU and be like mweh, imma buy another CPU and OC. Just a decision you have te make from the start.

OC = free extra performance + more heat + more power consumption
Non OC = less heat + less powerconsumption


Fair argument. But even with a board that allows overclocking, it leaves the option always open rather than locking it down from the start, but I do see your point
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March 5, 2014 8:31:23 PM

unplanned bacon said:
verma1891 said:
1. You have selected the i5-4670 (non K). Why not a 4670k? (To overclock)
2. If you select a non k processor, then going with a z87 board doesnt make sense. So with the non "k" processor, h87 is fine.
3. 8 GB is enough.
4. WD blue for data storage. Black is costly and since you have 250 gb of ssd, blue is good for storage. Also get 2x2TB.
5.. Gigabyte windforce 770 because aftermarket cards are better, run cooler, are quiet and overclocked.
6. That is a great PSU. But you dont need 700W. I mean good options are available at cheaper price.
7. Very costly monitor. The gtx 770 may not be able to max out at 1440p. Save some money on monitor and get a powerful graphics card.
8. Ultra costly case. I dont recommend that costly case in that budget. Same here, cut budget and get a better card.
9. If going for the non k version cpu, you dont need water cooling at all.
Here is an alternate and better build suiting your budget-http://pcpartpicker.com/p/34xlG


2. A Z87 would still make sense even with a locked processor. What happens if he chooses to overclock later, but decided on an H87? Instead of just buying a new CPU, he'd also need to buy a new board. By spending a little more now, he'll save more in the long run. I learnt this a few days ago

4. Are you suggesting he gets 4.2 TB of storage in total?

6. See #2, what if he decides he wants to SLI/Crossfire later or shove more components in there. Personally, if I could do I'd cover my bases from the outset, rather than cut back money now, and pay a lot more later (which is sort of what I did, but in hindsight am sort of wishing I hadn't)

I haven't looked at the other stuff


First think, OP says he doesnt want to overclock. I also suggested him an overclockable processor and z87, but he doesnt want it. So why spend extra money on z87 when there will be no OC?

I am not suggesting him to get 4.2 TB. He wants that space.
So what? He can easily crossfire on H87 mobo, do you mean that h87 mobo doesnt support crossfire or SLI?
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March 5, 2014 8:36:17 PM

LavyDunois said:
JusBlaze77 said:
LavyDunois said:
Since you are going with a i5 4670 a H87 mobo is good.

Liquid cooling is not really needed when you don't OC since the temps won't get really high.
Try this one: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

GPU might be better to get a GTX780 since the performance increase for that price is just really crazy


You PSU is a 80+ Bronze Cert. I suggest getting a better one since you don't cut corners on the most important part of your system. Cooler Master V Series V700
This is a 80+ Gold Cert but manages to get Platinum aswell since it's just really high quality.
PSU tier list


Cool, I'll take your suggestions for the PSU and cooler as well as up the video card.


It might be an idea to pick up the Coolermaster v850 version of it so you can SLI (2x) GTX780 by the end of the year. That is if you want to spend more money on the rig. (Not needed though, that one GTX780 runs everything ultra)


And second thing, I dont recommend (and like) Cooler master PSU's at all. Specially to $2000 builds. However the v series is a great one, still the celebrated brands in psu dept are-seasonic, silverstone, rosewill, thermaltake, xfx, enermax, corsair evga etc. And I would suggest OP to think if he wants to sli or not. If he is not in a mood for sli, then getting a jumbo psu is a waste.
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March 5, 2014 9:21:35 PM

ok, just for clarification, z87 is NOT h87+oc. z87 includes Lake Tiny, which is SSD caching performance and power optimization. h87 does not have this feature.
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H87 provides most of the same features as Z87 including plenty of SATA 6Gb/s and USB 3.0 ports. The only major features it lacks is CPU overclocking support and support for triple SLI/Crossfire configurations. Unfortunately, many motherboard manufactures attempt to push users to Z87 motherboards by limiting the number of ports and headers on their H87 motherboards. Because of this, Z87 motherboards are sometimes a better choice than H87 even when you do not need overclocking or triple SLI/Crossfire.

Might wanna read this

1) nothing wrong with using that cpu, go for it.
2) read the above, then shop for what you want in a mobo as far as connectors, usb3, pcie-1, fan headers etc.
3)8GB Ram work just fine.
4)multiple HDD is a better idea than single large unit. plus there is always RAID options with multiple HDD
5)better off with a 780.
6)this is a better psu, will fit 780
7)you have to look at it, there are cheaper options, use extra towards upgraded gpu
8)lite-on makes a good BR, as does Asus
9)major overkill for a non-oc cpu. If you want liquid (nothing wrong with that, go with h60i-80i, thermaltake 2/3.0 pro single radiator designs in upper end. If you want air cool, CM Hyper212 is the best in its class/pricerange
10)nice case, but like the cpu cooler, major overkill. there are cases better built, for a lot less. Antec, Corsair, NZXT, CM
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March 5, 2014 9:46:06 PM

Karadjgne said:
ok, just for clarification, z87 is NOT h87+oc. z87 includes Lake Tiny, which is SSD caching performance and power optimization. h87 does not have this feature.
Quote:
H87 provides most of the same features as Z87 including plenty of SATA 6Gb/s and USB 3.0 ports. The only major features it lacks is CPU overclocking support and support for triple SLI/Crossfire configurations. Unfortunately, many motherboard manufactures attempt to push users to Z87 motherboards by limiting the number of ports and headers on their H87 motherboards. Because of this, Z87 motherboards are sometimes a better choice than H87 even when you do not need overclocking or triple SLI/Crossfire.

Might wanna read this

1) nothing wrong with using that cpu, go for it.
2) read the above, then shop for what you want in a mobo as far as connectors, usb3, pcie-1, fan headers etc.
3)8GB Ram work just fine.
4)multiple HDD is a better idea than single large unit. plus there is always RAID options with multiple HDD
5)better off with a 780.
6)this is a better psu, will fit 780
7)you have to look at it, there are cheaper options, use extra towards upgraded gpu
8)lite-on makes a good BR, as does Asus
9)major overkill for a non-oc cpu. If you want liquid (nothing wrong with that, go with h60i-80i, thermaltake 2/3.0 pro single radiator designs in upper end. If you want air cool, CM Hyper212 is the best in its class/pricerange
10)nice case, but like the cpu cooler, major overkill. there are cases better built, for a lot less. Antec, Corsair, NZXT, CM


Lake tiny is not a feature that makes a huge difference. Just a "tiny" difference. No point of getting z87 and pay a premium for the tiny "lake tiny" thing.
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March 6, 2014 12:02:39 AM

verma1891 said:
LavyDunois said:
JusBlaze77 said:
LavyDunois said:
Since you are going with a i5 4670 a H87 mobo is good.

Liquid cooling is not really needed when you don't OC since the temps won't get really high.
Try this one: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

GPU might be better to get a GTX780 since the performance increase for that price is just really crazy


You PSU is a 80+ Bronze Cert. I suggest getting a better one since you don't cut corners on the most important part of your system. Cooler Master V Series V700
This is a 80+ Gold Cert but manages to get Platinum aswell since it's just really high quality.
PSU tier list


Cool, I'll take your suggestions for the PSU and cooler as well as up the video card.


It might be an idea to pick up the Coolermaster v850 version of it so you can SLI (2x) GTX780 by the end of the year. That is if you want to spend more money on the rig. (Not needed though, that one GTX780 runs everything ultra)


And second thing, I dont recommend (and like) Cooler master PSU's at all. Specially to $2000 builds. However the v series is a great one, still the celebrated brands in psu dept are-seasonic, silverstone, rosewill, thermaltake, xfx, enermax, corsair evga etc. And I would suggest OP to think if he wants to sli or not. If he is not in a mood for sli, then getting a jumbo psu is a waste.


The Coolermaster PSU's especially the Vanguard series is just a rebrand of the Seasonic design. As i said earlier the V series is gold rated but performs at a Platinum certification. It is indeed a bit overkill but it's better to have a bit of headroom for possible extra HDD's / SSD's etc. OP should be fine even with an 550W if he doesn't want to upgrade or add parts. But i recommended the Vanguard series based on personal experience with the PSU and the 700w is the lowest in the V series.

Also that CPU can easily perform with a SLI GTX780. With a single you will be capable of gaming on ultra for 2/3 years (guessing), with the SLI you might perform on Ultra for 4 years+ before having to switch out to a newer series.
But thats just a choice for the OP to make. No build is "futureproof" so. :) 
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