Which build should I go for? AMDvsINTEL

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I don't want this to be another discussion on AMDvsIntel, but I'm really stuck on this dilemma. I'm sure that I wouldn't be disappointed by either of these systems, but i just want to know your opinions.

Intel: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/35aTw
I had to kind of cheap out on the PSU, but a calculator told me that 350W is recommended.

AMD: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/kamilstoch/saved/3XCZ
On this one I went for a 770, and I had to go for a bigger PSU (by £20. Although the mobo is cheaper. So these systems are similarly priced, but I don't know which to go for. Of course I'd love a 4670k+GTX 770 combo, but I'm not made of money :)
I want a system that can play the latest games on ultra at around 40fps+ but that's not a huge priority. Which one do you think I should buy?
And please no short one word answers.

P.S Would I need an aftermarket cooler if I wasn't going to overclock?
 
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The Intel's PSU is perfectly fine and will power your system with a GTX 760 just fine; could even go with a GTX 770 on a good (the one you picked is good) PSU. Just watch the overclocks; assuming you won't go overboard with it.

The 970 chipset will work with the 8320; but will not overclock as well as a 990 chipset. AMD CPUs need the overclock to be able to compete with Intel's CPUs.

That being said, I've seen many people around this forum absolutely LOVE the performance increase when they went from a 8320/8350 to an i5-4670k, even though they are supposed to be roughly equal in processing power. Intel's strong single cores are just phenomenal. As well as hearing these praises about the switch to Intel, I've also seen peope completely content with their AMD system. So it pretty much comes down to what you prefer. If you play Skyrim, or MMOs, they're likely going to favor an Intel build, as they perform a whole lot better.

If you do not plan on overclocking, the stock cooler will work. But once you even consider overclocking, you NEED an aftermarket cooler. Overclocking can be done on a stock cooler, but is never recommended.

Wall of text aside, if you don't plan on overclocking, you're better off with the i5, as it will give you the best performance.
 
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True, but remember that getting the Intel will mean getting a worse GPU. If this was not the case I would recommend the Intel as well.
 
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How long do you guys think it would be before I had to get a better GPU to handle games at ultra?
On a similar note, how long would it be before I needed to upgrade my CPU (bearing in mind I would have to buy a new mobo too)
 
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It's hard to say since most games are designed based on the consoles and the new generation just rolled out...
I think the AMD will be pretty future proof since the new consoles have AMD CPUs with 8 cores and are basically just underclocked PCs so games will probably be optimized for 8 cores in the future. As for the GPU, you'll just have to wait and see but you're of course going to be better off with the GTX 770.
 
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Ok, one more question. I know in benchmarks the intel completely kills the amd but what about in real life? will I see that much of a difference? I'm swaying towards the AMD build now.
 
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No you won't. I've got the fx-8350 and I can easily run BF4 at high fps with high settings but my GTX 760 bottlenecks it to a little over 80 fps.
 
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Of course your 760 is going to "bottleneck" your CPU. It's not meant to perform at the levels of a GTX 780 or such.

Firstly, a GPU will only bottleneck a CPU if it is incredibly slow; ie pairing an i7-4770k with a GTX 8800; you're not going to get the performance that your looking for, in this specific example, you have far more processing power than graphics power.

Second, a CPU bottleneck is if you're using something like a FX 6300 with a 780 Ti, there's going to be some bottleneck, where your GPU could be cranking out more FPS, but your CPU can't keep up. A 8350 and a 760 are perfectly fine with one another, but as I've said before, Intel's stronger single cores will outperform a 8320/8350 in certain games (ie: Skyrim, WoW, etc). But in the games where that doesn't matter, the 8320/8350 will do just fine in comparison to an i5. And as I've said before, the AMD CPU tends to NEED the overclock to compete with the i5.
 
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I just said that to make a point about the AMD CPUs being able to handle all current games with ease even at stock clocks. You are honestly not going to see the difference even though the i5 is more powerful. I mentioned the "bottleneck" because I didn't want to give the impression the CPUs can't get over 80fps in the game.
 
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And if you read what I said, I'm not disagreeing with you. I acknowledged that a 8350 is able to perform to certain people's expectations in certain games. As I've said, it lacks in -certain- games. And as I've mentioned again, in games like Skyrim, the performance difference is VAST; it's not even close.

Where a 8350 4.8 GHz will still get about 34 less FPS than a STOCK i5-3570k in Skyrim (111 vs 145). And the performance gap increases versus an overclocked i5 (111 vs 165).

And again, I stress, I'm not disagreeing with you that in most games a 8350 will perform fairly well, but there IS a performance difference in -certain- games.
 
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Refresh rate does affect the frames you will see; but the more you have the smoother the experience will be. For example, if you're averaging 60 FPS, but taking dips into the 10s or 20s, your gameplay experience will be utterly terrible. But if you're averaging 100 FPS, and dipping to 50-60, you won't have a huge plummet in user experience.

From the past threads I have read, I've noticed people with even stronger cards (and few with a 770) complain about performance issues. They thought if they upgraded their card to a 770, that their performance issues within Skyrim would disappear, and they also had 8320/8350s. A few have upgraded from a 8000 series AMD CPU to an Intel i5, and noticed the difference in performance immediately.

If the games you're playing highly favors strong single cores, Intel will always win out.

If the games are indifferent to single core performance, Intel will still usually win, but the 8320/8350's performance is closer to that of the i5.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350-review/6

The source I have been using. That's where I got my averages of FPS, but in their test setup they're using a GTX 690.
 
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