Is Ivy Bridge outdated?

partyastronaut · Mar 6, 2014

So I'm stuck at a crossroads with my build. Because I will be building before Broadwell even gets a release date, I'm not bothering with. However I'm stuck deciding with the 3770k or the 4770k. Now I know most of you will probably write that the haswell is better but I'd like to put this out there. I find every single z87 mother board disgusting. They just look atrocious, and I know that sounds very shallow, but it's true. Also another thing I have about the Haswell is it has a bit more power consumption (from what I've read) and it doesn't get as good of temps when overclocked as the Ivy Bridge does. So I'm asking about this because I was looking into the Gigabyte z77x-UD5H, a board that in my opinion, is a very beautiful board but is very hard to get my hands on because it is a year old. And basically what I'm trying to say is, what do y'all think?

CTurbo · Mar 6, 2014

Ivy Bridge is outdated only in the fact that their platform has been replaced, but Ivy Bridge processors are still GREAT. I would not hesitate to build on one if it saved a considerable amount of money over Haswell. If prices or the same, or similar, I would get Haswell for sure.

Sorry I just don't care about a motherboards looks. Once everything is installed you can barely see it anyway.

The 4770k doesn't overclock as high as the 3770k did, but it doesn't need to to outperform the 3770k.
The 4770k @ 4.2ghz will equal the 3770k @ 4.5ghz.

Tseg · Mar 6, 2014

My understanding is that unless the integrated graphics of the 4770 are needed, the 2 are more or less a push.

Spectre694 · Mar 6, 2014

The difference isn't huge but it is there
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3770K
also Haswell is a hit or miss on the overclocking some of the chips are much better than others. but you also don't need to overclock it as much to get the same performance.

Haswell is more energy efficient though that is the main part of its design.

long story short Haswell is better but not by a huge margin and you won't really lose too much performance by going with ivy-bridge you will lose a few chipset features but that's about it.

CTurbo · Mar 6, 2014

Oh yeah and the power consumption difference is negligible. The 4770k offers a better upgrade path.

Supernova1138 · Mar 6, 2014

The performance difference between Haswell and Ivy Bridge is quite small, around 5 to 10% depending on the application. Haswell's main improvements were in the integrated graphics department, which isn't all that relevant if you don't plan on using the IGP. The 8 series chipsets do get some nice features like more SATA 6Gbps ports and more USB 3.0 ports compared to Ivy Bridge motherboards.

Broadwell is supposedly going to also be on LGA 1150. However, rumour is you'll need a 9 series chipset motherboard in order to use a Broadwell CPU, which would mean you'll have no upgrade path whichever way you choose unless you want to wait a little while for the Haswell refresh that's coming in a couple of months or so.

As you said, Haswell runs hotter than Ivy Bridge and doesn't overclock as well, so if you do plan on overclocking, odds are the performance difference between the Haswell and Ivy Bridge will even out unless you get lucky and get a golden Haswell chip that can stay stable above the 4.3- 4.5 GHz mark, and odds are you won't.

If you really care that much about motherboard aesthetics and don't mind losing out on a small bit of stock performance, then Ivy Bridge is still viable.

CTurbo · Mar 6, 2014

The 4770k average overclock with air cooling is 4.519ghz and 4.69ghz with water cooling.
The 3770k average overclock with air cooling is 4.735ghz and 4.90ghz with water cooling.

http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_3770k/
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_4770k/

The 4770k @ 4.5ghz will easily outperform the 3770k @ 4.7ghz

Someone Somewhere · Mar 6, 2014

MSI Z87-G55? Z87X-D3H? As you can probably tell, I'm not much of a looks person.

Ivy isn't much of a step backwards, but it still is a small one. 8-series chipsets also give you some nice extras like all 6Gb/s SATA ports, the ability to do x8/x4/x4 CF/SLI on some boards, and more Intel-provided USB3.0 ports.

mc962 · Mar 6, 2014

What exactly is your preference in board color scheme/layout/looks, and what is your budget? I'm fairly certain I've seen a Z87 board that looks like that Z77 board you mentioned, but it would be helpful to know what criteria to look for. As far as improvements that will possibly make a difference to you, more native SATA 3 (6 GB) ports. The iGPU improved, but if you have a card then it won't really be doing much anyway.

*The MSI G series (like G45 for example) seems to have a similar color scheme, the blue is just darker. This Intel board DZ87KL-75K seems to have a similar color scheme as well, although I don't know as much about Intel boards.
My favorite board as far as looks go (and it's a good board as well) is the ASUS Maximus VI Formula. It's definitely overpriced, and might be more than you wanted to spend, but I think it looks good.

The board I have is a Z87 Sabertooth. I like how it looks, although the brown isn't necessarily for everyone. Although it is one of the few pieces of hardware that actually fits the color scheme of Noctua fans

Someone Somewhere · Mar 6, 2014

Here's a pic of the board (GA-Z77X-UD5H):

partyastronaut · Mar 7, 2014

Thank you guys for the responses! I've found these answers very helpful (and I'll choose a best solution soon). I guess the deciding factor will be how much money I'll be able to dish when it comes time to buy (which is in approx. 4-5 months).

AshyCFC · Mar 7, 2014

in 4-5months you'll have the haswell refresh processors to consider as well.

Someone Somewhere · Mar 7, 2014

Looks like fourth quarter 2014, though it's still all unknown as yet.

Spectre694 · Mar 7, 2014

Someone Somewhere :

Plus unless something unexcpeted it probably won't be more than a slight clock speed bump or maybe a boost to the IGPU based on past refreshes.

Someone Somewhere · Mar 7, 2014

Die shrink, so power will be improving again. We might finally get 6-core desktop chips, though I doubt it.

CTurbo · Mar 7, 2014

There won't be much to the Haswell refresh. The die shrink won't happen until Broadwell.

Someone Somewhere · Mar 7, 2014

I thought Broadwell was the Haswell refresh...

I'll have a read.

AshyCFC · Mar 8, 2014

No, by Haswell Refresh I mean the i5 4690 and i7 4790 I think these are the new K models

There's also two other low energy consumption i5's on the way.

Also changeover to Z97 boards which will support broadwell as well, I think.

Haswell Refresh is set for Q2 2014 not Q4(That's Broadwell and Haswell extremes)

CTurbo · Mar 8, 2014

Yes Haswell refresh are just more of the same. They are all just 100mhz bumps. One or two of them MAY have the HD5200 igpu.

http://wccftech.com/intel-haswell-refresh-lineup-q2-2014-unveiled-core-i74790-leading-pack/

JimF_35 · Mar 8, 2014

This is an interesting question and one we debate about at work. I'll give my two cents and please correct me if I am wrong. I have this feeling that Intel is changing their strategy and focused on the lower power CPUs to get more into portable computing and they are shunning enthusiasts because they are such a small niche market. hens the Haswells not being very powerful. The Ivy Bridge-E I think is going to be the last enthusiasts level CPU. I have herd stories about the Broadwell using only a BGA socket which means surface mounted CPUs and there is no such thing as upgrading anymore. If this is the truth then it will be a sad day for enthusiasts.

So to answer the question, yes I think the x79 will be around for a little while unless Intel puts out another enthusiasts level CPU other wise I guess we will have to cross over to the AMD camp.

I would love to see Intel do two separate lines of CPUs and for them to have their own Tic Tocks. I just have a hard time calling a Haswell a Toc processor.

Someone Somewhere · Mar 8, 2014

It's not so much that they're focusing on energy, and more that they're focused on graphics.

There's going to be Haswell-E at least, and Broadwell looks to be partly socketed, partly BGA. Ones with big iGPUs are BGA, by memory, which aren't the ones enthusiasts want anyway.

Remember that the server/workstation market is very much into fast + socketed CPUs, and that's what the Enthusiast ones come out of. The 49xx series are cut-down Xeon E5 chips.

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