Fan orientation for 800D w/ H100i?

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I've posted in the forums recently and read a lot of threads about fan orientation in the 800D for water cooling. (specifically with an h100i)

From what I have read and seen, the following set up seems to be more popular. It is negative pressure, which as I understand it is better for cooling, but worse for dust buildup.

http://imgur.com/SUY58Wc

So the rad for the h100i would be exhaust along the top, as well as an additional 120mm fan (haven't decided which one) to complete the 360mm available at the top. The fan above the drive cage would be intake, along with the bottom fan. This leaves the rear fan as exhaust.

My question is simply: is this an acceptable configuration?

ps, I will be running 2 gtx 780 w/ acx coolers in sli, along with a i7-4770k oc'd to 4.0 (to start)
 

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Heat rises up. So pulling from bottom and front and pushing from top and back is a good configuration. I mounted the exact configuration with a H100i rad with 2 Noctua NF-F12 fans for quietness. Temperatures are great.
 
Yes, your configuration is correct. Are you using any front mounted fans? It is more of a question of aesthetics vs performance or aesthetics and performance. You can use Corsair AF LED series fans for aesthetics and decent air flow inside the case fans, though SP-120mm (Quiet edition) fans would also do the job.

Noctua 14 series fans are great build and they give good performance with low noise. 15 series fans have been reported to be bit loudy though.
 

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Perfect, thanks! Also, since you have the same config: should I replace some of the stock fans with noctua 140s or just keep the stock? And for the 120s for the h100i, what's the advantage of using the noctua you mentioned over something like this one? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608004

And should i consider adding another fan at the bottom for extra intake power? (there will be room next to the psu)

(just curious)

Thanks for all the help!
 
Jeup, heat rises up.
That means all the system heat (GPU, HDDs, Chipset, etc.) will rise through the radiator from your CPU when exhausting from the top...

I would recommend to intake from the top, with the fans sucking through the radiator.
This will give your CPU the coolest air possible and make cleaning the radiator much easier (no need to remove the fans to clean it).
With my current build (Corsair 350D + H110), my CPU MAX load temps dropped approx. 10°C after switching from top exhaust to top intake.

From there, you just need to decide if you want to keep a single rear exhaust, or intake at the rear and exhaust at the front.

In favor of the rear exhaust; you will immediately pump the CPU heat out of the case and, assuming you are using intake fan filters, overpressurizing the case will reduce dust buildup.

With rear intake, you should have a bit better airflow overall, but your HDDs and possibly GPU will run a bit warmer.
I see the GPU possibly running a bit warmer because you will probably have a harder time getting cool air to the lower left area of your case with this airflow setup.

Personally, I would probably stick with a rear exhaust.
Although the maximum airflow of your system may be reduced a bit, the abundance of cooler air will probably keep the system a bit cooler overall.
Also, your case is not perfectly sealed, so a higher intake pressure should cause the warm air to 'leak' out at other points than the exhaust fan or design vents.

Hope this helps!
-outlw
 

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No front mounted fans on my build thus far, so I want the best possible performance out of the existing fan placements, which I will probably replace with noctua 14s. I'm not to worried about fan aesthetic, because of the shape of the door/window, the fans are pretty well hidden anyways. I just want that top notch performance.
 


In this case your configuration is well built and Noctua 14 series are great fans which deliver packed performance at low noise levels. Nice choice there. Good Luck
 

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The Corsair H100i radiator fans are very loud, that's why I replaced them with the F12 noctua series.
Noctua FN-F12 are radiator fans as they give more one-direction-pressure. Noctua FN-P12 are more likely to be case fans. Though Noctua fans are considered to be pricey, yet great fans to own.. I do not know what case fans you own at the moment, if you consider them quiet and give you enough airflow, then i'd say great keep 'em. If not, you should consider youself an upgrade. Though an extra intake from the bottom is optional, I run 1 intake fan on the bottom (Fractal design quiet edition) mainly to cool down the gpu.
 

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Ok, thanks for all the info! Just one more quick question - sorry.

would you recommend a push/pull setup as exhaust at the top? Or should i just stick with the triple noctua as exhaust? Would the push/pull create too much negative pressure?

Thanks again.
 
Stock fans with H100i are SP-120mm L edition fans. If you want to stick with corsair series then buy SP-120mm Performance/Quiet edition fans and use them on the radiator. Don't buy AF series fan for radiator.

Noctua fans are expensive but they are worth it. With high air flow and quiet level they give you the optimal cooling solution. I'm using Corsair and Noctua fans in combination and they are quite effective.
 


Stick with Push config on the radiator i.e fans will push air thru the rad over to the top. That will be enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyC3lZ5WFMk
 

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My config:
1 intake 140mm front
1 intake 140mm bottom
2 exhaust 120mm radiator top

For me this give's me enough air flow to get all the heat away, I might add annother 140mm exhaust fan at the back. Anyway, exhausting from the top is the most common configuration people use in their case and in my oppinion the most efficient talking about temperatures. Also keep in mind that an exhaust fan to the radiator will gather dust in a period of time against the radiator. So you will need to clean it every now and then, meaning you will have to take off the fan to be able to reach the dust. This will not ofcourse happen when you use your radiator fans as an intake. But yet, I rather have dust pushed away than pulled inside your case.

 

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Wow thanks for all the info!! I'm just curious about the intake on top, as it seems to contradict what most people have said/told me. I'm not saying you're wrong, just noting that it's interesting. With the top intake w/ rear exhaust, that would create a lot more positive pressure,no? from what I understand, that's not as efficient for cooling. I'm a complete novice to all of this, so I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything like that; I'm just trying to get a grasp on the whole concept. :)
 

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When you say fans on the front, are you referring to the 140mm above the HDD cage, or did you add a fan in the 3.5 bay area?
 


No. Front means means fans mounted on the front side of case.
 

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Nice Build! How do you think my Gpus temps would be with the exhaust? Because they are in a zone that is hard to get to with the fans.
 

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Getting a nice airflow duo to a correct fan setup, you will reduce heat inside the case overall. Like I said earlier, I setup a bottom fan that blows straight to the gpu. Yet it's better to test it out by trying out your fan setups. Try monitoring your gpu and cpu temps idle and in full load.

 


No worries at all!

Well, the common wisdom is not entirely wrong.
Heat does rise which, in theory, means that exhausting through the top makes the most sense.
The problem with this theory is that you are then dumping all this heat straight into the radiator that is supposed to be keeping your CPU as cool as possible.
As the temperature differential between your case air air and ambient is quite low, the amount of energy (lost airflow from your fans) needed to overcome convection is also quite low.

If you did not have the radiator installed at the top vents, it would definitely make sense to have convection working in your favor.
As you do however, a marginal loss in airflow is a price well payed to ensure a supply of cool air to the radiator.

To the arguments over positive or negative air pressure; I tend to favor over pressure when it is not possible to balance airflow.
In my mind, pushing in fresh air is going to force warmer air to exit somewhere, while at the same time controlling the flow of dust into the enclosure.
This may cause a bit less air to travel over your radiator though (as the case will have slightly higher pressure).

In contrast, pulling more air out than is pumped in will still have to follow the same process, just in reverse.
That is to say, more air being pulled out than pushed in will force air to find another path into the case; probably not a filter path.
As a plus, it should allow you to flow a little more air over the radiator (assuming it is the intake for your system).

Just because I prefer over pressure instead of under pressure does not make it a guideline for every system.
Before making a final decision on the fan setup, you should first try to think through the flow in your case with each possibility.

When I look at the view provided for Your Case and assume that the top will be intake, my thoughts are as follows:

1) Keeping the rear fan as exhaust will let you immediately pump out a significant amount of the heat generated by the CPU directly. If you where to have this as an intake, you would be blowing this heat all throughout the case.

1a) If you were to exhaust from the top, it would make more sense to intake at the rear. By doing so, you would be feeding fresh air directly to the radiator.

2) If your intake is at the rear, the airflow will be deflected towards the front exhaust by the back of the GPU. This will deaden the GPU to the fresh air it needs to keep as cool as possible. The hot air would then travel over the hard drives before being exhausted out the front.

3) With the intake at the front, you should have some turbulent fresh air supplying your GPU and lots of cool airflow over your hard drives.

-outlw
 
You are using H100i for CPU cooling. Use fans in the position mentioned in the pic above. Fans will push air from inside the case thru the rad to the top. Rest your front mounted fans will push fresh air inside the case. One exhaust fan on rear and two rad mounted fans will be enough to ensure the high air flow inside the case.

Note: Don't use side fan. It will be effective only on the area on which it will be directly throwing air at but this will disturb the air flow cycle and may result in dead spot which is not needed at all.

 

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Awesome, lots of info!!! But since I don't have a front fan on my case, what would you recommend? If I did intake on top through pull, and exhaust out the back, would that be more efficient?