Is Windows 7 Defrag really doing the job?

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Poindeckster

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When i first switched from xp to 7, one of the first things i noticed was the change in interface on defrag. It doesnt give you a map or anything, and if i run it even after months left unchecked, theres hardly a difference in fragmentation. If theres some explination or something im missing, it would be appriciated. Thanks
 
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Starting with Windows Vista, Microsoft enabled automatic defragmentation of drives, so that users don't ever have to worry about fragmentation again.
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danny2000

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don't waste your time on 3rd party defraggers. There is basically no evidence that they do any better than Windows.
The old Xp defrag was slow mostly because it was not set to autodefrag; It was only manual.
The new Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.X all have defrag set to auto and is by no means slow. You will generally always have 0% fragemented files and it does it all in the background.

Windows knows best how to organize your files on a hard drive.
 
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HEXiT

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dunno where you got that from but you cant speed up file access and get the best performance from your drives with windows.
windows may well know best where to put the files but users often dont.
windows own defrag's in situ you have no option where a file goes and where it stays.
with something like ultimate defrag i can move avi files to the inside of the disk so there not slowing access to other files on the outside.
this speeds up responsiveness from both the drives and the o.s.
 
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danny2000

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There is no evidence to support those claims; it is all marketing to sell you products.

Also, now-a-days, vs 10 years ago, hard drives are so fast, that fragmentation is really not a problem, even when fragmented, unless it is like 70% fragmented. They also have so much space on them, and free space to use.
 
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danny2000

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BTW, if you have Windows installed on an solid state drive, do not run any disk defragmenter on it. Windows turns it off by default on SSD(s). On Winodws 8, it leaves it on, but does not run the defrag part in Maintenace Tasks because SSD(s) are so fast that fragmentation does not matter. It also turns it off, to prevent write cycles to the ssd.
 
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HEXiT

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so your telling me theres no difference between data speeds at the front of the disk and the back. yet every benchmark ever, for a hdd shows read write speed degradation as the head travels across the disk something to do with the laws of physics.
i know my drives go from 220MBps on the outside to 160 on the inner tracks. i know from my own experience if i move a game from the middle of the hdd to the outer portion it will play smoother i also dont suffer drive thrashing because the head doesnt have to jump from the front to the back of the disk to find files. whether you think its worth it or not is entirely debatable but there are still good reasons to have a good defragger.
but if you have data to backup your claim im more than happy to look it over.

ps. this is about hdds not ssd's.
 
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^+1 In my experience I agree with the above statement.
Used both Auslogics and now only Piriform defraggler which are substantially faster the native win7 program.
Better imo also.
 
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danny2000

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ACtually, it has become one of the most debated topics, and very little, if any, proof exists that it helps at all, especially, the average computer user.

Hard drives are so fast today and large that very little fragmentation takes place.
Even if a 3rd party defragger works any better than the native Windows ones, it would be very very tiny, and for most people, it would not make even a 1/4 of ounce of difference.

In many cases, 3rd party defraggers, including the ones that you've mentioned above, actually create more fragmentation, and not less, in some cases, based on the settings/profile/presets that you choose.

O.P. never mentioned what type of disk that he/she is using, so the SSD comments are relevent advice.
 
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HEXiT

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move the goalpost as much as you want. but if you can get faster access to your files or get an extra 60MBps read times you will benefit.
he's obviously not happy with windows so asked the question.
i gave him options that will likely give him the results he wants. its what we do here.

as for your claims of the defraggers causing more issue than they solve are you nuts... they have all been around for years and earned there reputation from 100,000's of downloads. not every 1 of them people could be mistaken and not seen improvements for them selves, so then turn round to there mates and say, use this its actually better... all them people are wrong and your rite...
ok... have a nice day...



 
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