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March 10, 2014 3:00:05 PM

Hey everyone. Im at the end of my know-how here and was hoping that someone else might be able to give some insight.

I upgraded my computer in September. Put in a new CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Everything worked fine until the end of January. I started getting freezing while the CPU was under a load. These were hard freezes, and I couldnt even CRTL ALT DEL out of them. I did lots of testing,and narrowed it down to the CPU or motherboard. I RMA'd both, and got both back. I got a brand new CPU, and the same motherboard. After reassembling, the computer wouldn't start. Did some more research, and found that motherboard (MSI) was known to sometimes not handle the power draw of the 8350. So, i got a new motherboard and did a clean install of Windows 7. After all this, I am still getting hard crashes while doing things like gaming.

My current setup.
FX 8350
HD 7950 GPU
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR
Crucial M4 128GB SSD (OS install)
WD 1TB 10kRPM HDD
600w power supply

The only things I can think of that could still be issues are memory (the memory i have is from 2010 and not on the QVL for my parts) or power. Cooling shouldn't be an issue. Highest temps i ever got while running mprime were 75C and the computer always froze before it got much higher than that. Also got the computer to freeze while maxing out at 15C.

Any ideas?

Thanks

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March 10, 2014 3:05:02 PM

mmhdez said:
Hey everyone. Im at the end of my know-how here and was hoping that someone else might be able to give some insight.

I upgraded my computer in September. Put in a new CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Everything worked fine until the end of January. I started getting freezing while the CPU was under a load. These were hard freezes, and I couldnt even CRTL ALT DEL out of them. I did lots of testing,and narrowed it down to the CPU or motherboard. I RMA'd both, and got both back. I got a brand new CPU, and the same motherboard. After reassembling, the computer wouldn't start. Did some more research, and found that motherboard (MSI) was known to sometimes not handle the power draw of the 8350. So, i got a new motherboard and did a clean install of Windows 7. After all this, I am still getting hard crashes while doing things like gaming.

My current setup.
FX 8350
HD 7950 GPU
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR
Crucial M4 128GB SSD (OS install)
WD 1TB 10kRPM HDD
600w power supply

The only things I can think of that could still be issues are memory (the memory i have is from 2010 and not on the QVL for my parts) or power. Cooling shouldn't be an issue. Highest temps i ever got while running mprime were 75C and the computer always froze before it got much higher than that. Also got the computer to freeze while maxing out at 15C.

Any ideas?

Thanks


I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.
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March 10, 2014 4:10:02 PM



I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.[/quotemsg]

Thanks for the reply!
That's my next step I think. Could that cause the freezing like I've been seeing. Im even getting it at idle sometimes. Do you have any RAM you would recommend with this setup?
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March 10, 2014 6:03:32 PM

mmhdez said:


I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.


Thanks for the reply!
That's my next step I think. Could that cause the freezing like I've been seeing. Im even getting it at idle sometimes. Do you have any RAM you would recommend with this setup?[/quotemsg]

Indeed, you can bottleneck your RAM. Too small a pipe for the fire hose! A GTX 460 bottled my 3GB on another PC, so yes, that could cause that. I went with 2 of these for 16GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313424!
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March 12, 2014 11:13:50 AM

Hello man said:
mmhdez said:


I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.


Thanks for the reply!
That's my next step I think. Could that cause the freezing like I've been seeing. Im even getting it at idle sometimes. Do you have any RAM you would recommend with this setup?


Indeed, you can bottleneck your RAM. Too small a pipe for the fire hose! A GTX 460 bottled my 3GB on another PC, so yes, that could cause that. I went with 2 of these for 16GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313424![/quotemsg]


Thanks, I'm going to get some new memory and give that a try.
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March 15, 2014 6:13:45 AM

Update on my situation: I installed some new ram, put in these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Read the reviews and found a good deal.

My problem seems to have been taken care of. No freezing since then *fingers crossed*, and this was a couple days ago. Thanks for your help.
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March 15, 2014 8:02:29 PM

Hello man said:
mmhdez said:
Hey everyone. Im at the end of my know-how here and was hoping that someone else might be able to give some insight.

I upgraded my computer in September. Put in a new CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Everything worked fine until the end of January. I started getting freezing while the CPU was under a load. These were hard freezes, and I couldnt even CRTL ALT DEL out of them. I did lots of testing,and narrowed it down to the CPU or motherboard. I RMA'd both, and got both back. I got a brand new CPU, and the same motherboard. After reassembling, the computer wouldn't start. Did some more research, and found that motherboard (MSI) was known to sometimes not handle the power draw of the 8350. So, i got a new motherboard and did a clean install of Windows 7. After all this, I am still getting hard crashes while doing things like gaming.

My current setup.
FX 8350
HD 7950 GPU
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR
Crucial M4 128GB SSD (OS install)
WD 1TB 10kRPM HDD
600w power supply

The only things I can think of that could still be issues are memory (the memory i have is from 2010 and not on the QVL for my parts) or power. Cooling shouldn't be an issue. Highest temps i ever got while running mprime were 75C and the computer always froze before it got much higher than that. Also got the computer to freeze while maxing out at 15C.

Any ideas?

Thanks


I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.



Update 2: still getting some freezing when running intensive software like Battlefield 4. The CPU temp seems to be stablizing at 60C so im not sure if thats it... not sure what else there is to replace at this point. do you think it could be a cooling issue?
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June 15, 2014 2:42:15 PM

In my experience, ASUS and ASRock motherboards do not like Crucial M4 boot drives (fw 0309 or 040H). I know they like Intel 335's and 530's. Gigabyte motherboards will run M4's with no problems.
mmhdez said:
Hello man said:
mmhdez said:
Hey everyone. Im at the end of my know-how here and was hoping that someone else might be able to give some insight.

I upgraded my computer in September. Put in a new CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Everything worked fine until the end of January. I started getting freezing while the CPU was under a load. These were hard freezes, and I couldnt even CRTL ALT DEL out of them. I did lots of testing,and narrowed it down to the CPU or motherboard. I RMA'd both, and got both back. I got a brand new CPU, and the same motherboard. After reassembling, the computer wouldn't start. Did some more research, and found that motherboard (MSI) was known to sometimes not handle the power draw of the 8350. So, i got a new motherboard and did a clean install of Windows 7. After all this, I am still getting hard crashes while doing things like gaming.

My current setup.
FX 8350
HD 7950 GPU
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR
Crucial M4 128GB SSD (OS install)
WD 1TB 10kRPM HDD
600w power supply

The only things I can think of that could still be issues are memory (the memory i have is from 2010 and not on the QVL for my parts) or power. Cooling shouldn't be an issue. Highest temps i ever got while running mprime were 75C and the computer always froze before it got much higher than that. Also got the computer to freeze while maxing out at 15C.

Any ideas?

Thanks


I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.



Update 2: still getting some freezing when running intensive software like Battlefield 4. The CPU temp seems to be stablizing at 60C so im not sure if thats it... not sure what else there is to replace at this point. do you think it could be a cooling issue?


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June 15, 2014 9:08:25 PM

Satellite 20 said:
In my experience, ASUS and ASRock motherboards do not like Crucial M4 boot drives (fw 0309 or 040H). I know they like Intel 335's and 530's. Gigabyte motherboards will run M4's with no problems.
mmhdez said:
Hello man said:
mmhdez said:
Hey everyone. Im at the end of my know-how here and was hoping that someone else might be able to give some insight.

I upgraded my computer in September. Put in a new CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Everything worked fine until the end of January. I started getting freezing while the CPU was under a load. These were hard freezes, and I couldnt even CRTL ALT DEL out of them. I did lots of testing,and narrowed it down to the CPU or motherboard. I RMA'd both, and got both back. I got a brand new CPU, and the same motherboard. After reassembling, the computer wouldn't start. Did some more research, and found that motherboard (MSI) was known to sometimes not handle the power draw of the 8350. So, i got a new motherboard and did a clean install of Windows 7. After all this, I am still getting hard crashes while doing things like gaming.

My current setup.
FX 8350
HD 7950 GPU
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR
Crucial M4 128GB SSD (OS install)
WD 1TB 10kRPM HDD
600w power supply

The only things I can think of that could still be issues are memory (the memory i have is from 2010 and not on the QVL for my parts) or power. Cooling shouldn't be an issue. Highest temps i ever got while running mprime were 75C and the computer always froze before it got much higher than that. Also got the computer to freeze while maxing out at 15C.

Any ideas?

Thanks


I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.



Update 2: still getting some freezing when running intensive software like Battlefield 4. The CPU temp seems to be stablizing at 60C so im not sure if thats it... not sure what else there is to replace at this point. do you think it could be a cooling issue?




Not really, the FX line can go to 70C before they throttle.
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June 16, 2014 8:13:31 AM

Satellite 20 said:
In my experience, ASUS and ASRock motherboards do not like Crucial M4 boot drives (fw 0309 or 040H). I know they like Intel 335's and 530's. Gigabyte motherboards will run M4's with no problems.
mmhdez said:
Hello man said:
mmhdez said:
Hey everyone. Im at the end of my know-how here and was hoping that someone else might be able to give some insight.

I upgraded my computer in September. Put in a new CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Everything worked fine until the end of January. I started getting freezing while the CPU was under a load. These were hard freezes, and I couldnt even CRTL ALT DEL out of them. I did lots of testing,and narrowed it down to the CPU or motherboard. I RMA'd both, and got both back. I got a brand new CPU, and the same motherboard. After reassembling, the computer wouldn't start. Did some more research, and found that motherboard (MSI) was known to sometimes not handle the power draw of the 8350. So, i got a new motherboard and did a clean install of Windows 7. After all this, I am still getting hard crashes while doing things like gaming.

My current setup.
FX 8350
HD 7950 GPU
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR
Crucial M4 128GB SSD (OS install)
WD 1TB 10kRPM HDD
600w power supply

The only things I can think of that could still be issues are memory (the memory i have is from 2010 and not on the QVL for my parts) or power. Cooling shouldn't be an issue. Highest temps i ever got while running mprime were 75C and the computer always froze before it got much higher than that. Also got the computer to freeze while maxing out at 15C.

Any ideas?

Thanks


I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.



Update 2: still getting some freezing when running intensive software like Battlefield 4. The CPU temp seems to be stablizing at 60C so im not sure if thats it... not sure what else there is to replace at this point. do you think it could be a cooling issue?




Games don't save locally anymore. His boot drive should not be an issue if this is just in games, as they are just a complex script being run by the processor/videocard.
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June 16, 2014 8:35:40 AM

How hot are your VRM's getting? Only thing that I have run into that causes hard crashing if memory is not an issue is CPU core gets to hot OR your motherboards VRM is overheating. Take a fan and strap it to the VRM heatsink. BTW max core temp is 62c and 70c for the socket/VRM.
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June 16, 2014 5:12:50 PM

Yes, you're right. Sorry, my mistake. Well, I hope a solution can be found for this frustrating problem.
Hello man said:
Satellite 20 said:
In my experience, ASUS and ASRock motherboards do not like Crucial M4 boot drives (fw 0309 or 040H). I know they like Intel 335's and 530's. Gigabyte motherboards will run M4's with no problems.
mmhdez said:
Hello man said:
mmhdez said:
Hey everyone. Im at the end of my know-how here and was hoping that someone else might be able to give some insight.

I upgraded my computer in September. Put in a new CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Everything worked fine until the end of January. I started getting freezing while the CPU was under a load. These were hard freezes, and I couldnt even CRTL ALT DEL out of them. I did lots of testing,and narrowed it down to the CPU or motherboard. I RMA'd both, and got both back. I got a brand new CPU, and the same motherboard. After reassembling, the computer wouldn't start. Did some more research, and found that motherboard (MSI) was known to sometimes not handle the power draw of the 8350. So, i got a new motherboard and did a clean install of Windows 7. After all this, I am still getting hard crashes while doing things like gaming.

My current setup.
FX 8350
HD 7950 GPU
ASUS M5A97 R2.0 motherboard
Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Model KVR1333D3K2/4GR
Crucial M4 128GB SSD (OS install)
WD 1TB 10kRPM HDD
600w power supply

The only things I can think of that could still be issues are memory (the memory i have is from 2010 and not on the QVL for my parts) or power. Cooling shouldn't be an issue. Highest temps i ever got while running mprime were 75C and the computer always froze before it got much higher than that. Also got the computer to freeze while maxing out at 15C.

Any ideas?

Thanks


I would tend to doubt that your PSU is having trouble keeping up, so I would say that your RAM is bad. I would have more anyways. 4GB is VERY small these days. 8 is pretty much the minimum standard.



Update 2: still getting some freezing when running intensive software like Battlefield 4. The CPU temp seems to be stablizing at 60C so im not sure if thats it... not sure what else there is to replace at this point. do you think it could be a cooling issue?




Games don't save locally anymore. His boot drive should not be an issue if this is just in games, as they are just a complex script being run by the processor/videocard.


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June 17, 2014 4:46:04 AM

I have always been leery of using just about any 970 mobo with the 8350. While the Asus you got to replace it is better than the MSI, I still would have forked over the extra money for the M5a99 pro, or some other decent 990 chipset board with improved power draw and cooling for the mosfets.

I may be wrong though. Most of the problems I have read about in this area have been with the M5A97 LE, which is a lighter version of your standard 2.0.

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June 17, 2014 7:56:37 AM

sapperastro said:
I have always been leery of using just about any 970 mobo with the 8350. While the Asus you got to replace it is better than the MSI, I still would have forked over the extra money for the M5a99 pro, or some other decent 990 chipset board with improved power draw and cooling for the mosfets.

I may be wrong though. Most of the problems I have read about in this area have been with the M5A97 LE, which is a lighter version of your standard 2.0.



I have overclocked up to 4.5Ghz with an 8350 on a MSI 970A G46.
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