MSI GTX 770 not that good?

dinizap9

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Hello folks!

I recently bought a new MSI OC GTX 770.

I'm liking the card so far, but I need to be honest.

I bought it thinking that I would be able to play almost everything on max settings, but I'm notice that the result is a little different.

I can't play Farcry 3, Assassin's Creed 4 or even titanfall with everything on max and fixed 60fps

As far as I know, one GTX 770 was used to run titanfall at eurogamer.

This are the expected performance of the GTX 770 or mine have some problem?

Ps: sorry for any english mistake
 
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The 770 is considered an enthusiast card, even though it's not high end. Whatever you call it, the 770 is definitely not mid-range. That title's usually reserved for cards like the 650-660 ti.

Anyway, dinizap9, try to OC using Nvidia inspector. Overclocking doesn't really do that much, though. It's still the same card, though it will help a little. I think Nvidia Inspector is the most solid way to OC I've used, and I've tried all of the main programs, including EVGA's PrecisionX. You can go in to the Inspector, select "Overclocking" at the bottom right, and it will give you a warning. Accept it. Then you can mess with things. Doing the clock to +100 and the memory to +500 should not be a problem, but start lower and work...

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Yeah, I have a pretty powerful computer surrounding a 770, and it would drop all of the time. PhysX would take it down in Borderlands 2 to less than 20 fps. Don't get me wrong, 90% of the time, games ran pretty smoothly. But it would definitely drop as fast as a sack of rocks.

That was with 32 GB ram, a fast SSD, and a 3930k at 4.2 Ghz, so it's not just you.
 

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Sorry, I forgot about it.

I7 2600k
8Gb G.skill
SSD 120Gb
2 HDs = 1,5 Tb
The MSI gaming GTX 770

I think that's all



Hey, that suc*s. In AC 4 I can't use physx at high.

what is really bothering me is the Titanfall. It's not an amazing game (talking about graphics) but the FPS drops A LOT sometimes.

And have you tried to Overclock your 770? Because I tried with mine, but it's impossible. In the internet I found guys put the core clock +100 and the memory clock +300, but if I put +10 in coreclock as example, the nvidia drive crash, the game freezes and I need to restart de computer. I'm using the MSI gaming app, but it just increases the coreclock in +52. It's just with me?
 

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Well you don't say what you are playing at, res, etc. so I can't comment on the specific numbers you're getting. But yes the 770 is a good solid midrange card, and you have it paired with a good solid midrange PC. I think it is unrealistic to expect a midrange system to max out the latest games though.
 

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The 770 is considered an enthusiast card, even though it's not high end. Whatever you call it, the 770 is definitely not mid-range. That title's usually reserved for cards like the 650-660 ti.

Anyway, dinizap9, try to OC using Nvidia inspector. Overclocking doesn't really do that much, though. It's still the same card, though it will help a little. I think Nvidia Inspector is the most solid way to OC I've used, and I've tried all of the main programs, including EVGA's PrecisionX. You can go in to the Inspector, select "Overclocking" at the bottom right, and it will give you a warning. Accept it. Then you can mess with things. Doing the clock to +100 and the memory to +500 should not be a problem, but start lower and work your way up just to be safe.

I also found that another (nerdy) thing that helped slightly was to replace the thermal paste on the card with Arctic Silver 5. Go to Linus Tech Tips for how to apply that stuff if you aren't sure. People drone on forever online, when it's really simple. Just clean off the processor's metallic plate and the heatsink that touches it with 99% Isopropyl Alcohol. Do it first with a paper town or something - very rough. That just gets the big chunks off. Then do it a second time with a micro-fiber cloth. That will get rid of little particles. The goal is to have nothing between the heatsink's and processor's surface except for a thin, evenly-distributed layer of Arctic Silver 5. All you need to do is place a pea-sized dot in the middle, and then press the surfaces together. It'll smoosh and evenly distribute itself. Tighten the screws back, being careful to not slide around the surfaces, and then let it harden for about an hour. Boom!

That will help transfer heat from the GPU to the cooler as good as it can. But keep in mind, it won't work magic - just makes sure you get proper heat exchange in case you didn't already have it.

After doing those two things - ensuring proper paste application and OCing with Nvidia Inspector - you'll have the most you can get out of your card. Good luck!
 
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I wouldn't call the 770 midrange, it's still pretty high end with only the GK110 cards and AMD's Hawaii based cards being faster. Part of the problem is Far Cry 3 and Assassin's Creed 4 are simply badly optimized, they don't run all that well regardless of what hardware you have. Ubisoft's stance on optimization is they don't have to do it because they can just tell their customers to buy better hardware so you can brute force your way through their crappy coding.

As for Titanfall, it's a game that has just come out, and probably doesn't have particularly good driver optimizations available for it yet, and knowing EA, was probably rushed to market in a not particularly finished state. Supposedly it is also a VRAM hog on maximum settings, so if you have a 2GB version of the 770 you may be running into issues with that.

Finally, if you are running at 2560x1600, or are gaming across say 3 1080p monitors, you're not going to get 60FPS solid regardless with a GTX 770, you'd need two of them in SLI at least to get 60 FPS max settings on that resolution.
 

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I didn't know about this Nvidia Inspector, thanks for the advice, I'll take a look.

And I will try to find this artic silver 5, thanks a lot for the advice :)




Hey u are right, I thinks I was just to anxious with the new card. When I bought my old GTX 460 I was able to play almost every game on max settings until ~2013, so I was thinking that with the 770 it would be awesome. All this games that I'm trying to play on MAX, in youtube you can find videos of people playing the same game on high settings and when I saw that my card couldn't play some games with HIGH settings like hitman, etc...you know, I think that I'm just a little disappointed.

It's not that bad, though..in AC 4/Farcry3/Hitman I can play with everything on MAX without AA.

Thanks for this answer

Ps: Any idea why people on the youtube can play games with better specs than I can? :p
 
Some people aren't entirely truthful on their system specs for youtube videos. For CPU bound games some of those people may have put a pretty big overclock onto their CPUs, which would help performance. For a lot of games AA can get pretty demanding, and can easily cut your framerates in half if you set it high enough, especially for titles that have Supersampling AA options like Witcher 2, or Crysis 3. As such, on really demanding games, most people won't crank the AA up to max, and really once you get up to 1080p resolution or higher you don't need that much AA anyway.
 

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Ok I get it. I'm just playing game in 1080p and I really can't see much difference between AA max and off. And about titanfall, I'm really upset that I can't play the game in max settings, according to the game, I cant use insane texture resolution because this can use 3gb or more of the VGA, but even without it and without AA I can't get 60fps sometimes.

Thanks a lot, I wish I could give best answer for you and Eggz :(



About the overclock, I was just able to increase the coreclock +62 (+10 than the MSI gaming app). So this didn't change a lot my performance...but I was able to increase the memory clock +260 which is great.

And, according to this: http://goo.gl/LyBzFo I 'clearly didn’t win the GPU silicon lottery this time'. They had the same issue than I have :/

 

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Hey, I thought back to this thread yesterday after firing up Titanfall on launch day after work. Maybe its your processor? I played with the settings as high as they'll go on 1080p with my 770 (the 780 ti is still in the mail). It's actually the only high-end game I have where the frames remained at a constant 60 fps with v-sync. The interesting thing was that 6 of my 12 logical processors were at 80%, for about 40% utilization of my 3930k. That same rate of throughput might be maxing out your 2600k's 4 processors. What is the CPU utilization during choppy parts of your game?

The best way to find that out is to use Task Manager. Open it before launching the game. Then you can switch over and see the last minute of CPU utilization on each logical processor in Windows. The annoying issue is that you have to switch over fast because it only shows the last minute. A useful shortcut I recently learned for pulling up Task Manager is "Ctrl+Shift+Esc." You can do that with just your left hand if you smash the ctrl+shift at the same time with your thumb and press esc with your pointer finger. It's fast! :)


What do you mean by "able to increase?" Like, Inspector just wouldn't let you go higher, or your temperature was getting too high, or the image did weird stuff, or what?

I've had 2 770s, and they both did 100 Mhz on clock and 500 Mhz on memory no problems at all. Do you have at least a 600w power supply? Perhaps the CPU is also playing a part in this -- not sure.
 

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Ok I did it. And the result was what I expected...the use of the CPU was around 3X% never above 40%. I play titanfall with 60fps almost everytime, but the card can't hold it one map that looks like an island for example and sometimes when I need to turn my carema fast...the fps drops from 60 to 30/40




The overlock that I said early was instable, so I used the MSI gaming app to increase the coreclock, and the memoryclock I changed manually to 230.

And it's not about the temperature or inspector, when I increase something on the coreclock as an example, I open the Heaven Benchmark and let ir running for some minutes, the same with the memoryclock. The problem is when I put the coreclock more than +52, the Heaven (just like the games) freezes and a ballon appears saying: NVidia display driver stopped responding and has recovered.

And yes, I've an OCZ ZT Series 650W
 

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Hmm. That's strange. At least dropping to 30 every once and a while isn't that bad. I'm out of ideas unless there's something wrong with the card. Doesn't seem like it, though. You still run pretty well. If you really care about it, you can try to RMA because your card crashes during games and benchmarks. It would give you another shot a the silicon lottery :)
 

dinizap9

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They don't cover this kind of problem, do they?

Because the card apparently works normal (without the overclock...I think)

Anyway, thanks a lot for all the advices mate, I really appreciate
 

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They cover based on your explanation, and you explained to me that your graphics card fails occasionally. It might work. If not, no big deal. You can alway flip it on eBay if it still bothers you. It seems to me, though, that you are in a decent position. Good luck!