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At the beginning of January, I bought a GTX 780ti graphics card along with a CS750m power supply, I wanted to upgrade my PC to run any game ultra. Which I know this card was capeable of doing.

My computer specs are:

Quad core i7 2600 @ 3.40Ghz

8gb RAM Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz

2TB memory.

Geforce GTX 780ti

Motherboard: Foxconn H61MXL/H61MXL-K

Upon replacing the old AMD Raedon 6670 and the old 450w power supply, I noticed significant problems. I knew I'd wiped the drivers and installed the most recent, I made no mistake with the transaction of parts, so I didn't know what was wrong. I noticed the time was wrong, it read the date of the motherboard's manufacturing "11th of November 2011". I tried resetting the time via the BIOS but I couldn't access my BIOS without it staying at a black screen, sometimes "American Megatrends" appeared on startup, sometimes "Advent" and startup took an extra 5 minutes.

Such issues progressively worsened to the extent of blue screening, so I took it to a specialist to get it fixed. He used external software to get my computer running again, namely "FOX liveupdate" and "Belarc advisor" this was the only possible way to get my computer running again as my BIOS was previously totally un-accessible.

Normality appeared to have been restored, apart from the long startup times. But this isn't the case.

My games still crash randomly, blackscreening and returning to the desktop, sometimes crashing to the extent of me having to force shut down my computer. Error messages such as "Driver has stopped working but has recovered" is common, as well as "DirectX function "GetDeviceRemovedReason" failed with DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG ("The application's device failed due to badly formed commands sent by the application. This is an design-time issue that should be investigated and fixed. "). GPU: "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti", Driver: 33221"

I've also noticed my GTX 780 ti is struggling to perform to expectations. I know that it's supposed to run ULTRA Battlefield 4 75 fps +, sometimes 90 fps, overall not struggling at all when it comes to modern-day games, but I can hardly stay above 50 fps. It constantly fluctuates between 30-60, regardless of the video settings, I notice an increasing deterioration of performance, the frames getting lower and lower, until the computer finally freezes as it plays a quiet but odd cracking sound within my headset, forcing me to shut down the computer.

I know I've said a LOT, but because I cannot specify what's going wrong with my computer, I'm laying out EVERYTHING that has happened, so hopefully the problem can be targeted and rectified.

Could it be my processor bottlenecking the performance? Could it be the out-dated motherboard struggling to relay information to different parts? Is it GDDR3 conflicting with a GDDR5 graphics card? Is it memory struggles? Why does it take ages to start up my machine? Why do games take so long to load when other people's systems load up within seconds?

Can someone please help me?
 
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There are a few questions there, let me try to answer a few.

Your motherboard is most likely the culprit in the crashing and long startup time.

Your CPU although good is probably not what people getting 75 FPS on BF4 with the 780 Ti. BF4 (and games like it - MMOs including FPS-MMOs) are not only GPU intensive but CPU intensive as well. If you had an i7 2600K I would recommend a mild OC (4- 4.6GHz). Since your motherboard is sub par and causing many problems perhaps now is a good time to consider upgrading to a new CPU+Motherboard.

RAM and VRAM have little to no interaction to the best of my knowledge = no conflict (almost everyone is on DDR3 now all recent (last year or so) GPUs are GDDR5. If they conflicted LOTS of people would be...
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There are a few questions there, let me try to answer a few.

Your motherboard is most likely the culprit in the crashing and long startup time.

Your CPU although good is probably not what people getting 75 FPS on BF4 with the 780 Ti. BF4 (and games like it - MMOs including FPS-MMOs) are not only GPU intensive but CPU intensive as well. If you had an i7 2600K I would recommend a mild OC (4- 4.6GHz). Since your motherboard is sub par and causing many problems perhaps now is a good time to consider upgrading to a new CPU+Motherboard.

RAM and VRAM have little to no interaction to the best of my knowledge = no conflict (almost everyone is on DDR3 now all recent (last year or so) GPUs are GDDR5. If they conflicted LOTS of people would be in the same boat ;)

Other people's games load quickly, most likely, because they have a well performing SSD. If you have SSD and find it's performance sub-par you may want to look into getting a new one. Samsung EVO 120GBs are available for very reasonable prices right now and offer very good performance (although they have limited space :( )

Hope this helps a bit, Cheers!
 
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Thank you very much for this answer, it has certainly cleared up a lot of things. Now all it boils down to is finding a motherboard which is compatible with everything else in my system, and getting an SSD drive, and possibly an external hard-drive for the sake of storage.

Thanks, you're a good guy :D
 
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You're very welcome. Just to note most cases (except some SFF and uSFF) will allow you to install more than 1 hard drive. If your case does not you may want to consider picking up a cheap case that will allow you to do so. External HDDs (connected by USB) often don't have the same performance as internal HDDs connected by SATA2 or 3 and you could save some $$$ just using the 2TB you already have.

When shopping for a motherboard make sure it is socket 1155 (your CPU's socket). Your RAM may be another story. Be sure to find out exactly what brand and make and performance (it's most likely not 665MHz, DDR = Double Data Rate = 665(.5) x 2 = 1333(approx.) ) Performance is : Frequency (MHz), Latency (CL9 or 8 or whatever), and voltage (1.5 or 1.6 most likely). Then check the motherboard manufacturer's page and look for the supported types of RAM. Worst case scenario you may need to grab some new RAM as well (If that's the case I would suggest a new Motherboard+CPU+RAM combo to save time and money also will permit you to run the same system longer without need for further upgrades - that GPU is FANTASTIC!)

Good luck with your upgrades, Cheers!
 
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Hmm, all of what you just said seems complicated as I am totally unfamiliar with the names and statistics of such items. I don't know how to find this information about motherboards and the components I have right now. I've never heard of "SFF and uSFF" before, let alone "double data rate" and all of that sort of business. Is there an easier way to explain / find out the information I need? I want to make absolutely sure that I get the correct motherboard, if the RAM + i7 processors work with it. I am simply not advanced enough to understand your previous post.

 
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Unfortunately there is no better way for you to understand this than to do some researching. Try googling things like DDR and such (SFF = Small Form Factor, uSFF = ultra Small Form Factor, these are in reference to this type of case the PC is)

Changing/upgrading a motherboard is not a simple task for those unfamiliar with the more specific technical aspects of computers and will require you to do quite a bit of reading. If you don't have the time (or simply don't want to) you can find a well recommended local shop and pay them to do it (although many shops will push what they have in stock and more up-grades than you may want or really need).

I would suggest that if you have the time, try informing yourself (using web searches) and posting questions on the more specific questions in the appropriate forums here at Tom's - when you can't find the answer yourself by using google and researching/reading.

Some tips for your web-researching (if you go that route): Type things in as a question i.e: "What does DDR3 mean?" etc. You will most likely get results of others who have asked this very question (and related questions) in other forums and already been answered (possibly several times over). Once you have thoroughly familiarized yourself with the terms (you don't need to know every bit of information, just enough to understand what you have and what you want) you can then start making choices of what components you would like to get and then Further research those components and their specifications to make sure they are compatible.

Or you could take the easy (and not always best) way and just post your question "what motherboard should I upgrade to" in the Motherboard forum with your current specifications (CPU-Z is a handy program for listing the components you have). Be sure to specify that you wish to keep your current CPU and RAM (otherwise and anyhow people will be recommending you change those as well).

Sorry I can't make this as easy as you would like :( Best of luck with your upgrade(s)!
 
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