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March 13, 2014 5:31:48 AM

Ok guys first post and i have alot of questions about my first ever build. I want the build to be able to run just about anything on high graphics keep in mind, as i play games and am always doing something on the computer. First off I can tell you guys im leaning towards intel because its good for gaming?? I was thinking about shaping my build around the intel i5-4670K tell me not to if you think its a bad choice. I was thinking to pair it with the msi gtx 760. My budget is around 1000 dollars mabe a bit more. What do you guys suggest to get the best pc possible for around that price. Thanks in advance

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March 13, 2014 5:43:49 AM

For $1000, the 4670k is a great choice and so is the 760 GTX.

Here's one of the quick build I have saved just to give you an idea:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($339.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $946.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-13 08:36 EDT-0400)

Now everything can be changed. A few things that to be added are: case; OS and disc drive (if needed). If you want a 4670k, than usually people overclock. If you don't want to overclock, you can save money by switching to a 4570 and a H87 motherboard. The 770 will play pretty much any game on Ultra easily. Depending on where you put your foot down on the budget, you should think about possibly getting a SSD.
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March 13, 2014 5:47:16 AM

Or this build almost the same )

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R Windowed ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1009.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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March 13, 2014 5:49:33 AM

dont u need haswell certified psu
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March 13, 2014 5:58:11 AM

jordansb8 said:
dont u need haswell certified psu


Both of those are certified Haswell PSUs.
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March 13, 2014 7:27:07 AM

Here is a non overclocking option, with i7 performance, that still has the ability to do SLI. I changed the 770 to a 4gb because some games eat lots of video ram. Heavily modded Skyrim, for instance, is like that.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.68 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda ES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.94 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card ($364.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $992.55
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-13 10:25 EDT-0400)
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March 13, 2014 12:28:02 PM

logainofhades said:
Here is a non overclocking option, with i7 performance, that still has the ability to do SLI. I changed the 770 to a 4gb because some games eat lots of video ram. Heavily modded Skyrim, for instance, is like that.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.68 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda ES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.94 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 770 4GB Video Card ($364.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $992.55
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-13 10:25 EDT-0400)


No need in 4GB VRAM unless he's going to use multi monitor setup! or on resolution more than 1080p!
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March 13, 2014 12:33:36 PM

Not true at all. People have seen over 3gb usage in heavily modded Skyrim. Hitman resolution can easily eat up 2gb worth of memory. 3gb is kind of a sweet spot right now for high end cards. It just so happens you can only get a GTX 770 in 2gb or 4gb. If there were a 3gb, I would have recommended one.

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March 13, 2014 12:36:19 PM

logainofhades said:
Not true at all. People have seen over 3gb usage in heavily modded Skyrim. Hitman resolution can easily eat up 2gb worth of memory. 3gb is kind of a sweet spot right now for high end cards. It just so happens you can only get a GTX 770 in 2gb or 4gb. If there were a 3gb, I would have recommended one.



And what i SEE??
On 1080p highest number is 2018MB and 2GB=2048MB!
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March 13, 2014 12:41:59 PM

Most people have other things going on other than just a game. That 30mb extra could easily be used up by anything else on the system using video. I guess that means you only use 4gb of ram to game with too right? That is all that is truly necessary. Most games only use like 2 cores. I guess all we need are Pentium G's. There are no need for i3's, i5's or i7's either.

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In Hitman: Absolution, a 1 GB card is not sufficient for playing at the game’s Ultra Quality level at 1080p. A 2 GB card does allow you to set 4xAA at 1080p, or to play without MSAA at 2160p.

To enable 8xMSAA at 1080p you need a 3 GB card, and nothing short of a 6 GB Titan supports 8xMSAA at 2160p.


I guess you better run and tell THG they only need a 2gb card. :sarcastic: 
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March 13, 2014 12:46:06 PM

Peak VRAM usage is not the whole system usage? or just game usage?
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March 13, 2014 12:51:58 PM

Looks like whole system usage to me.

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These tests were run on a Windows 7 x64 setup with Aero disabled. If you’re using Aero (or Windows 8/8.1, which doesn't have Aero), you should add ~300 MB to each and every individual measure you see listed below.


There have been plenty on here that have modded Skyrim and eaten up 3gb+ Vram. I'm sorry, but if I am going to spend that kind of money on a system, the last thing I want to happen is run across a game that won't run properly because I cheaped out on a graphics card with insufficient memory even though the GPU itself is actually capable. Spend a little now, so you don't have to later.
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March 13, 2014 12:57:45 PM

logainofhades said:
Looks like whole system usage to me.

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These tests were run on a Windows 7 x64 setup with Aero disabled. If you’re using Aero (or Windows 8/8.1, which doesn't have Aero), you should add ~300 MB to each and every individual measure you see listed below.


There have been plenty on here that have modded Skyrim and eaten up 3gb+ Vram. I'm sorry, but if I am going to spend that kind of money on a system, the last thing I want to happen is run across a game that won't run properly because I cheaped out on a GPU with insufficient memory even though the GPU itself is actually capable.


And other question is he going to play highly modded skytim?
And i really don't understand how aero works on system background while video card renders only frames that shown on the screen?
IMHO 4GB version of GTX-770 is not worth the money!
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March 13, 2014 1:00:57 PM

Better to save money and get 3GB GTX-780 instead of 4GB version of GTX-770
The difference in price would be 90~100$ and it would be a lot better than 4GB version of GTX-7701
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March 13, 2014 1:03:00 PM

That is the problem with the state of GPU's right now. You have to go unreasonably higher in price to get more performance. The next best is a GTX 780 and it costs like $130+ more than the 770. The only AMD card that can reasonably compete is the r8 280x and they are selling for way more now too thanks to low supply, due to the crypto currency miners. Cheapest GTX 780 is $130 more than a 4gb GTX 770. I was staying in budget also. If the OP wants to spend more for the 780, by all means, I say do so.
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March 13, 2014 2:59:10 PM

best os for gaming/all around? i also need a good but cheap psu. also crosair 300r or antec 900 if orice didnt matter?
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March 14, 2014 7:31:33 AM

You don't ever want to cheap out on PSU. The Corsair 300r is a nice case for sure. I had an Antec 900, trust me, you don't want it.
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March 14, 2014 3:49:46 PM

1.Corsair Carbide Series 300R Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
2.CORSAIR CXM series CX750M 750W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply ...
3.G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR
4.ASRock Z87 Extreme4 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
5.Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670K
6.Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan
7.MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card
8.Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

WHat do you guys think?? What could i change to make it better without scarficing performance or more cash. Tell me what you guys think
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March 14, 2014 10:40:54 PM

jordansb8 said:
1.Corsair Carbide Series 300R Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
2.CORSAIR CXM series CX750M 750W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply ...
3.G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR
4.ASRock Z87 Extreme4 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
5.Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670K
6.Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan
7.MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card
8.Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

WHat do you guys think?? What could i change to make it better without scarficing performance or more cash. Tell me what you guys think


Good build but as "logainofhades" said you don't cheap on PSU! Corsair makes good PSU's but CX line is crappy and really overpriced! look at Seasonic or XFX PSU's
Tiered PSU's you can find here http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
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March 15, 2014 2:51:39 AM

StonedPhoenix said:
I know a lot of people frown upon this. But just pirate windows and save yourself $100. If you even remotely know what you're doing you can get a version of Windows 7 64 bit home premium with an activator and it will work no problem Piracy link removed by Saga Lout. I personally use that version on 3 systems. As long as you don't install the one update that removes your authentication (KB971033) then it will work forever just as if you bought it. In my experience this update is automatically not ticked, but isn't hidden either. So I've always just hidden it and then never once had a problem with activator. If for some stupid reason you're using the that version and then 6 months down the road it starts saying you are using trial. Just re-run the activator and you're set again (although this shouldn't happen at all).


You're assisting in piracy? don't give this sort of advice to others!!! if you'll continue doing this your account will be BANNED!!!!
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March 15, 2014 10:20:37 PM

jordansb8 said:
Could I run dual gpu with this setup down the road, also I'm torn between cases this case or the 300r,http://m.newegg.com/Product?itemNumber=N82E16811147107. Also is this psu a good choice and will it fit in either cases really appreciate the help everyone http://m.newegg.com/Product?itemNumber=N82E16817151107.


When I open links it shows just home page of newegg.
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March 17, 2014 4:28:34 AM

jordansb8 said:
Oh My bad 300r or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... Also is this a good psu and will it fit in either cases im about to order all this gear so i gotta know http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... Thanks


Seasonic is #1 PSU manufacturer and it's ATX standard PSU and should fit in any ATX standard case!
And you can get this case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Just suggestion :D 
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