Intel > amd mostly?

xlonewolfx456 · Mar 13, 2014

Hi guys, something interesting crossed my mind. AMD is just boss at providing cpus at cheap price but again no better motherboard options available. I mean if i buy a fx6300(much better than i3 as of today at games) but it requires atleast a 100 dollar mobo with a 8+2 phase. As for i3 there are 50-60 dollars mobos avialable. And similarly a person like me would prefer fx8350 over i5 after seeing benchmarks and all but then again mobo.. As for intel, even if i buy a i5 4th gen i can go for again 50-70 dollars mobo. I'm talking about budget build. No doubt amd provide such great cpu at good price but costs for respective mobo equals it all. Then at certain point i5 beats fx8350 or i3 beats fx 6300 when we bring cpu+mobo costs into consideration... I'm also aware that a mid-range gaming pc is better one with a amd cpu... You know considering price to performance via oc'ing.

de5_Roy · Mar 13, 2014

you can get a cheapass motherboard with older chipsets and run the amd cpus at stock. cheap motherboards are available for both amd and intel.
btw, what is your question?

stantriespcbuilding · Mar 13, 2014

finding cheap amd motherboards should not be a huge problem?

ASRock 970 Extreme3

R2.0, ASUS M5A97

are great low priced mother boards, and you should think about the fact that intels CPU's are very expensive as well

CTurbo · Mar 13, 2014

Yes those AMDs are not quite the "budget" everybody says they are, because not only do you have to buy an expensive motherboard, you also have to buy an aftermarket heatsink. This is why I've basically stopped recommending them. The Haswell i5 does outperform the 8 core FXs most of the time in MOST tasks even after the FX has been overclocked to the max.

And for the record, I don't recommend overclocking anymore either. It's costs roughly $100 to overclock, and that money could be put towards more important pieces like the gpu. That's the difference between a GTX760 and a GTX770.

maddogfargo · Mar 13, 2014

xlonewolfx456 :

Not sure where you're getting your info, but here's something a bit more accurate/up to date:

FX 6300 can get by on a 970 chipset with 4+1 phase power just fine. $70-ish. Most people will recommend a 990FX board with 8+2 power for people who want a future upgrade path.

If you pair a cheap MoBo with any CPU you run into the same limitations if you want to upgrade. It won't have the features or flexibility a better board would have.

As for i3...most people don't even look at them anymore. They are being phased out and can't handle most current games. Look at the i5 as the new minimum.

On the topic of current games, AMD 6-8 cores will run very close to i5 and i7 now that a lot of apps and games are better optimized for multiple CPU cores. We're talking <5% differnece in most cases.

Where you will see a big difference is in games that only use 2-4 cores and aren't optimized well for 4+ cores. Most older games from the past 2-3 years fall in this category. But most games being released this year and in the near future are testing and performing well on either CPU.

CPU brand is less important than knowing your software and how many cores it can use.

maddogfargo · Mar 13, 2014

CTurbo :

Not really. It only costs ~$30-$40 to get an aftermarket cooler for an AMD or Intel that will allow a good 24x7 overclock.

logainofhades · Mar 13, 2014

An FX 6300 with a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3, is still capable of at least 4.0ghz and would beat an i3.

CTurbo :

I still recommend an FX 8320 at times. FX 6300 can still be a decent budget option too. FX is still cheaper if you want an SLI and Crossfire option.

xlonewolfx456 · Mar 13, 2014

I'm not against amd nor intel. But i guess amd should introduce better options and try to improvise. Intel consumes lesser power which is a benefit over time. Will AsRock 960gc-gs handle fx 6300 at stock efficiently?

logainofhades · Mar 13, 2014

That board is the same price, roughly, as the better Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3. I wouldn't get it. Asrock's AMD boards are not very good overall. Maybe some of the more expensive 990fx boards are, but many of their AMD boards are pretty poor.

de5_Roy · Mar 13, 2014

xlonewolfx456 :

asus/gigabyte 970 chipset motherboard should be minimum for fx, because 9xx chipsets i.e. 970, 990x, 990fx are compatible with socket am3+ platform. 960g chipset is a rebadged 880g chipset aimed at people who want fx with no discreet gfx.
intel/amd using less power over time is a broad concept. lowering power cost is feasible if power cost is high at your location. otherwise, the heat dissipation should be the bigger concern.

logainofhades · Mar 13, 2014

That Asrock 960gc has a 760g chipset.

de5_Roy · Mar 13, 2014

logainofhades :

ah. my mistake. i mixed it up with another one.

CTurbo · Mar 13, 2014

Not really. It only costs ~$30-$40 to get an aftermarket cooler for an AMD or Intel that will allow a good 24x7 overclock.

This especially not true for Intel. You have to pay extra for a K model chip, you have to pay extra for a Z motherboard, and then you have to buy a cpu cooler. This usually equals about $100.

AMD isn't quite as bad. 970 series boards are not that much more expensive than the 760 series boards, but they are. 970 boards overclock alright, but you need a 990FX to really get a serious overclock.

i3s are more powerful than ever and they still handle new games better than people think. A Haswell i3 will trade blows with a FX6300 and outperform it almost half the time. By the time you get a FX6300, aftermarket cooler, and solid motherboard, you've almost spent enough money to get an i5 and B series mobo that beats the FX6300 9.9/10 times.

CTurbo · Mar 13, 2014

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39wKC

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($328.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $578.96

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2nh2A

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $589.96

No amount of overclocking will make the 4670k + 760 better at gaming than the 4440 + 770.

CTurbo · Mar 14, 2014

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/39x1y

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($328.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $608.94

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2RMjp

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($328.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $598.95

AMD usually has two things going for it. Price and overclocking ability. You see here that it is not cheaper, and no amount of overclocking will make the FX8320 outperform the 4570 in gaming overall. Sure there will be one or two titles out there that favor the FX, but it loses 90% of the time. Sure you could cheap out on the motherboard, and scrap the 212 Evo and the FX will be considerably cheaper, but then it gets it's butt kicked even more.

vmN · Mar 14, 2014

maddogfargo :

For future upgradepath? No, for better an more stable overclocking.

maddogfargo :

The FX line doesn't really have any "future-path" currently.

maddogfargo :

WHAT, I3s are still doing more than fine for many games, I5s aren't even near to be the new minimum, and surely wont be any time soon.

maddogfargo :

How is this true? Why would alot of apps start utilizing more cores? 99.99% it would be plain stupid and actually could cause performance loss to multithread their application.

maddogfargo :

What, this doesn't make any sense. It is far more complicated.

xlonewolfx456 · Mar 14, 2014

Thanks CTurbo. atlast someone understood my question. Amd beats intel at specific budgets. Amd are only good when your overclocking because when one buys a amd cpu he needs to buy a good mobo, then, why would one buy a good mobo when he can get a mobo with oc potential for few extra bucks. But for intel i5 4440 i can get a 70$ mobo compared to fx8350+990x mobo. Thanks. I get the complete picture now.

CTurbo · Mar 14, 2014

No prob

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