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March 15, 2014 12:43:24 AM

i have a problem choosing amd and intel and i dont do OC build both in stock and im picky with budget but i can add more $$ if it can get me a good performance specially in upcoming games that require more core like watch dogs which concern me , so here is the two build that im thinking about

amd

fx 8320 with asus m5a97 le r.20


intel

4670 with gigabyte b85m hd3

both with

8gb ram 1600mhz watever brand u recommend
1 tb HDD and brand that is cheap but durable
GPU:im still using my powercolor hd 6870 but soon i will upgrade so which do u recommend gtx 770 or r9 290 ? and about r9 280x i just read about this card and there is to many reviews that this one is so faulty specially the r9 280x toxic i dunno why and my concern about this is because its to hot in our place ....
casing : bitfenix ronin case


HELP ME PLEASE !!!!:( 









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March 15, 2014 12:50:14 AM

the i5 has better performance than any fx processor in gaming so i would go with that
the hdd go with a caviar blue western digital cheap and reliable
the ram get 1600 mhz 1.5v cas latency 9 and 2x4gb set
the 770 runs cool and you will save some money the other 2 do tend to run on the hot side, if you can afford a 780 go with that. here it is a little cheaper than a 290 so i would go with a 770 or 780 to avoid temp issues and throttling if it is already pretty hot there
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March 15, 2014 12:53:22 AM

Bad_Kitty13 said:
the i5 has better performance than any fx processor in gaming so i would go with that
the hdd go with a caviar blue western digital cheap and reliable
the ram get 1600 mhz 1.5v cas latency 9 and 2x4gb set
the 770 runs cool and you will save some money the other 2 do tend to run on the hot side, if you can afford a 780 go with that. here it is a little cheaper than a 290 so i would go with a 770 or 780 to avoid temp issues and throttling if it is already pretty hot there


well i do choose i5 in gaming but this fcking watch dog game just release the requirement for the game and high to ultra setting requires a freaking expensive i7 and cheaper one is 8350/8320 :pt1cable: 


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March 15, 2014 1:04:48 AM

can you link to where you seen that?
and also the only difference between the i5 and the i7 is a slightly larger l3 cache and hyper threading which games dont use
there is only one game i can think of that utilizes hyperthreading and it is crysis 3 and it doesnt improve the graphic/cpu usage load that much at all
the fx series is poorer in performance because they cant hand single threaded apps as well as i5/i7. so if you do go with that cpu (fx) its performance will be less

btw the i7 is a quad core too
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 1:43:07 AM

even if it is an extremely cpu intensive game the i5 4670 will out perform the 8350 in single core performance. allgames are based on a single core setup. im just trying to get you the best performance for your money and in gaming its not a 8350. i mean you can go with the 8350 if you want but any benchmarking site if you look at their test setup it either has a 4960x/3960x 4770k/3770k or a 3570k/4670k i have never seen one with a vishera because the performance isnt as great as a intel in gaming
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March 15, 2014 1:44:08 AM

and 8320/8350/9xxx series are all the same processor with different clocks so you can get a 8320 and over clock it to a 8350
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March 15, 2014 1:55:39 AM

well i do understand that intel is really the best in gaming specially in single threaded performance
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sometimes i do some multi tasking like while playing games i installing or converting some videos or transferring / uploading / downloading or streaming some sites while playing skyrim / bf4 etc .. currently using a amd athlon and its freaking slow

so if i choose 4670 over 8320 i hope the intel will give me what i need

and btw if i choose a much better motherboard for i5 like h87 over b85 do u think going to i5 4440 will be enough ?

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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 2:09:36 AM

here are the benefits between the chipsets and be warned that if you ever want to sli/cfx 2 cards on your system you would have to go with a z87 chipset
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1150
and in all honesty if your not overclocking any of the i5 pretty much perform the same its just different clock speeds
and a 4440 is only .3ghz slower than a 4670
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March 15, 2014 2:15:40 AM

i go and read that ^_^

no i will not go with the sli just 1 single card probably gtx 770/r9 290/ r9 280x toxic/ gtx 780 (if i have the money lol)

and yep no plan on overclocking same with amd

the price of 8320 Php 7,100 while the i5 4440 is 8,300 php ( Philippine peso) and for the 4670 its expensive 9,950 thats why i choose a cheap mobo on 4670

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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 2:36:17 AM

the mobo doesnt necessarily affect the performance, at least not in this case, and a b85 will do fine for that then. since isee your from the philippines i would suggest you get a r9 290 if they are cheap the only ones that had problems were the reference cooler ones that all look the same. dont get that. however the non reference cooler 290's are awesome and have performance almost the same as a 780. and i havent heard the toxic being bad. i have always heard it is the best perform and most reliable and coolest temps of the r9 series
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 2:57:43 AM

Picking a cpu really comes down to what you want to do if your willing to put in the time overclocking your rig you can save money on the cpu get the fx 8350 and spend the extra on the gpu. You really cant go wrong with either fx 8350=cheaper more work less expensive maybe 5fps less in 90% of games. I5 = current games is great its single core strength is awesome a little more expensive. The i5 and 8350 are very close the real advantage goes to amd when you really want to do anything else which is where the 8350 actually trades blows with the i7.
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 3:03:14 AM

http://dynaquestpc.com/product/sapphire-r9-290x-4gb-gdd...
http://dynaquestpc.com/product/msi-r9-290x-bf4-4gb-gddr...
these are the ones i meant. the ones that are long and black and have single red fan at the end
they are bad news. the only other one i seen that is available there that isnt reference cooler is the toxic for the 290's anyway. if you could fit the 290 toxic into your budget then i would go with it
here is some benchmarks in gaming you can use that might help your decision
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-2...
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 3:09:34 AM

coolcole01 said:
Picking a cpu really comes down to what you want to do if your willing to put in the time overclocking your rig you can save money on the cpu get the fx 8350 and spend the extra on the gpu. You really cant go wrong with either fx 8350=cheaper more work less expensive maybe 5fps less in 90% of games. I5 = current games is great its single core strength is awesome a little more expensive. The i5 and 8350 are very close the real advantage goes to amd when you really want to do anything else which is where the 8350 actually trades blows with the i7.


dont want to start a whos better contest but for gaming look at the benches, the 3570k kills the 8350.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/06/amd-fx-8350...
and the 4xxx series has a 5-7% increase over the 3xxx series
yes the vishera is good for programming and video editing but for gaming it is not
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March 15, 2014 3:25:42 AM

coolcole01 said:
Picking a cpu really comes down to what you want to do if your willing to put in the time overclocking your rig you can save money on the cpu get the fx 8350 and spend the extra on the gpu. You really cant go wrong with either fx 8350=cheaper more work less expensive maybe 5fps less in 90% of games. I5 = current games is great its single core strength is awesome a little more expensive. The i5 and 8350 are very close the real advantage goes to amd when you really want to do anything else which is where the 8350 actually trades blows with the i7.


yep multi tasking even through my first priority is gaming i dont usually play game without opening browser a media player , transferring some files / uploading / downloading etc..

thats why my main concern is 8320 vs i5 series well if i5 can also do this then no problem i go with i5


@Bad_Kitty13
yeah the only non reference is toxic and i hope it doesnt have the artifacts symptoms like the r9 280x toxic

well for future reference for video card is this two
http://dynaquestpc.com/product/evga-gtx-770-super-clock...
http://dynaquestpc.com/product/sapphire-r9-290-tri-x-4g...

the price of this 2 is really close

i drop out the r9 280x toxic because of bad reviews i dont want to buy that just to return it again because its defective fcking china products QA sucks







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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 3:33:20 AM

2gb f vram is enough for now but later on it will be nice for you to have 4gb of vram for future games in the next few years or if you ever want to get into modding you need more than 2gb of vram. and the 290 toxic kills the 770 in benchmarks so i would go with the 290. i havent heard anything bad about the 290 toxic in my region but in yours it may be different. if it were me i couldnt stay away from the performance that the 290 toxic puts out id have to go for it. over here that card is 600 dollars and a 770 is 350 dollars...
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March 15, 2014 3:43:24 AM

Bad_Kitty13 said:
2gb f vram is enough for now but later on it will be nice for you to have 4gb of vram for future games in the next few years or if you ever want to get into modding you need more than 2gb of vram. and the 290 toxic kills the 770 in benchmarks so i would go with the 290. i havent heard anything bad about the 290 toxic in my region but in yours it may be different. if it were me i couldnt stay away from the performance that the 290 toxic puts out id have to go for it. over here that card is 600 dollars and a 770 is 350 dollars...


wow thats a big difference how the hell the price of 770 here is almost the same as the r9 290 :??: 

and the 770 in ur region is just 350 damn ! :ouch:  what brand is that ?

btw back to main question

probably ill go with an i5 4440 since the b85 models doesnt have raid technology i rather go with h87-d3h gigabyte

i still doubt 4440 because its only 3.1 - 3.3 vs the 4570 and 4670

but if the difference is only minimal then i rather go with 4440


and for the other side the amd fx 8320 it still have a chance on my mind if someone here can explain much more benefits i can get over the intel


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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 3:52:06 AM

well the one you had picked out is around 400 but all the normal ones like asus msi zotac gigabyte lower evgas...all these are 350 and its so expensive because of crypto currency mining. it sucks that card is still supposed to be a little under 500 which is close to the price it is there but since the cards are so good at mining people buy t for that and they never get to play games :(  i think the 770 is expensive there because of import taxes. but anyway i would definately get the 290 if i was you
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 4:14:26 AM

any game that is gpu intensive will be close with the i5, there wont be much difference as the load of the game falls on the gpu. the op was concerned about a cpu intensive title in particular the benchmarks i posted are for cpu intensive games which the vishera line fails at. there are some things vishera is good for but gaming that relys on the workload being pushed on the cpu is not one of them. excavator looks promising but there is no indication of it being released in anything other than a apu.
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March 15, 2014 4:23:21 AM

Games like watchdogs are expected to be heavily threaded so i would expect the fx 8350 to be fine. Where amd usually does bad is poorly threaded games like saints row 4 and planetside 2.
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March 15, 2014 4:47:14 AM

well if there is no big difference in real world with i5 and 8320/8350 and budget wise i go with amd and im not going with oc build so the battle is 4440/4670 vs 8320/8350
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 4:58:30 AM

If you can find the fx 8320 for 99-129 at microcenter get it but if they come out to the same price between the fx 8350 or 4670 get the i5.
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March 15, 2014 5:00:30 AM

The 8320 is 129 at microcenter
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March 15, 2014 5:25:13 AM

well in our country

8320 7, 100 php
8350 9,300 php
i5 4670 9,900+ php
i5 4440 8,300 php
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March 15, 2014 11:18:45 AM

you already know my opinion. if you can get the 4440 for less then the 8350, it will give you better performance in some games and seeing how your not going to overclock you wouldnt be able to squeeze the performance out of the 8350. crysis 3 is the only multithreaded game per core that i can think of that is out right now that benefits from extra performance from hyper threading or multi threaded cpu cores. and i believe the 8350 setup is 4 modules with 2 threads per module making it sort of like a quad core with dual threading. its setup is unique not really a quad but not really a 8 core either. anyway all other games that are out right now are single threaded per core. in cpu intensive games where it uses heavy single threaded per core like skyrim and bf4 it will suffer from performance hits. also if you go with a 1150 socket you have an upgrade path to add a 4770 later on if you decide. the 8350 is the top cpu on the am3+ socket and is not expected to have anything greater come out on the socket. the 9xxx series are just overclocked 8350 chips with higher clocks. other than the clocks there is no difference in the chips. unless you will be doing video encoding/editing or programming you would benefit more from the 4440 imho.
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March 15, 2014 11:24:08 AM

Always go with the AMD 8350. An i5 is around the same and alot more money, therefore not worth the extra. Overclock a 8350.
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March 15, 2014 11:26:17 AM

i'm getting the 8350 with an R9 270X 4gb windforce.
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March 15, 2014 4:24:08 PM

the 270x 4gb model is kinda a waste by the time you need that much vram the 270x will not be able to push the graphics you want get a 280 unless you crossfire then its very nice
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March 15, 2014 6:58:17 PM

well guys im just being practical if ever i go with i5 4440 then later after 2-3 years i upgrade i7 i hope that still the best at that time lol or just go with the budget wise 8320 with a 99fx am3+ board then OC it later on because 100% on this year i will buy a high end video card 400-500$


i like bad kitty advise but i still have doubt that i5 4440 which 8,300 php over fx 8320 7,100 php its like 23 $ usd difference ...
so
intel upgrade later on or 8320 that i can OC later on hmmmmmmm??
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 7:06:20 PM

the i5 /i7 from 2009 are still good for gaming and do not cause a bottleneck for gpus up to a 770....the same thing cant be said for the amd chips because they have inferior single thread performance.
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March 15, 2014 7:17:51 PM

then i will go with i5 4440 now for the mobo since b85 models do not have a raid i go with this mobo Gigabyte GA-H87M-D3H is this good enough ?

for psu im still using a thermaltake 700W litepower , problem is its doesnt have so called 80 plus effiency thing so i will change to antec earthwatts 650W platinum is that good enough ?

http://dynaquestpc.com/product/antec-ea-650-platinum-65...

and would that psu enough to power the r9 280x toxic or the r9 290 tri x
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 7:28:36 PM

i would go with this one it has plenty of over head for the toxic 290 and xfx is more reliable psu maker the 2 you had chosen are tier 3 psu or lower
so i wouldnt go with those
http://dynaquestpc.com/product/xfx-proseries-750w-xxx-e...

it is 25 dollars more but it is extremely reliable tier 1 psu. psu you dont want to skimp on because if it is faulty or dies then it could take the rest of the components with it

that mobo is very good as welll
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 9:39:42 PM

for the ssd def go m500 it is more reliable an descent enough performance
the ram isn really so much the color just look for cas latency 9 1600 speed 1.5v and a 2x4gb set for dual channel setup
the color is more if you want to match your color scheme and blue and red are the 2 most common
i would recommend either g skill (my favorite) or corsair
the cpu cooling you dont need a aftermarket cpu cooler but if you want extra cool temps i wouldnt get anything bigger than a cooler master hyper 212 evo but you really dont need it
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a b À AMD
March 15, 2014 11:33:44 PM

your case is more of a personal selection it supports all of your components and has ample cooling. so long as you like the looks of it give it a go
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March 16, 2014 12:04:29 AM

yep i love the looks of this case

btw regarding the motherboard raid socket thing do i really need that and the smart response technology ??? this is only the big difference with b85/h87 models
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a b À AMD
March 16, 2014 12:12:56 AM

not really i dont like using raid cause i like the ability to switch out my drives when i want basically what raid does is this. for example i will use 1tb hdd.

you take 2 1tb hdd that are identical then you raid them on your motherboard. it will come up as a 2tb drive and have faster times searching for information. but once its set up it is a pain in the a$$ if you want to swap out the drive

smart respose is when you use a ssd to cache a hdd. basically it will store the most used info on the ssd and access it from the ssd. you wouldnt be able to use the ssd as a storage device. kind of a waste the way i see it if you have a ssd just use that as your boot drive and be done with it. you would get better performance anyway.

so in my opinion no you dont need it
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March 16, 2014 12:45:39 AM

ehhhh ok then i should rather go with b85 so i can use the other $$ for other components well thanks for all the information i really appreciate your help , i probably go to buy the cpu and mobo and psu 1st next month well thanks again !! ^_^
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a b À AMD
March 16, 2014 12:47:54 AM

no problem enjoy!!
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