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March 15, 2014 6:33:43 AM

Hello,
I am looking to build a family PC with my son (partly for educational reasons too so he can see what makes up a computer). It will be used for general internet, MS Office (for homework, etc, as well working from home which I do a few days a week), some Steam games and also Minecraft, etc. Please can you suggest a list of parts I should consider.

    I think I have a preference for Intel i5 and this PC would be used for several years, if not forever, so I would like to get Haswell (unless you think this pointless).
    I would also like to get a 240/250gb SSD for OS and programs as well as a 1TB or more HDD for data.
    I will be running windows 8.1
    If at all possible, a nice small attractive case would be nice, but space is not really an issue.
    I don't like noisy machines, so please take take that into consideration.
    I am in the UK and my budget is around £500 ($800) for the PC, plus I will but screen/keyboard/mouse/speakers on top.

By the way - I came across the Intel i5 NUC and that looks interesting - will that meet my needs or do I need a separate GPU and is that a bad idea?
Thanks
March 15, 2014 6:44:26 AM

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3acQZ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3acQZ/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3acQZ/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£125.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£49.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.96 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£109.80 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master K280 ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£36.73 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £538.01

Here is something near the price, I don't know if you need the OS included or not.
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March 15, 2014 6:50:31 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (£125.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£42.02 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£61.85 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£105.58 @ Dabs)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£29.97 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£20.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Total: £512.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-15 13:50 GMT+0000)
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March 15, 2014 9:17:34 AM

Thanks both. What if I lifted my budget by £100? (I already have a Windows 8.1 licence, so not part of budget).

Also - any views on the NUC? Would it work for me?
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March 15, 2014 9:24:15 AM

I don't believe the NUC would work as your gaming demands are higher than what integrated graphics does. And if you raise your budget I would do this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3agvu
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3agvu/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3agvu/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£54.37 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.96 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£109.80 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master K280 ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£36.73 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £566.39

Upgraded the CPU and MOBO. The 750ti is all the GPU you'll need and is extremely quiet, cool and efficient compared to other cards.
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March 15, 2014 9:28:33 AM

WOOA! I just found out what NUC is! It is great! I mean i5 4th gen with Intel HD 5000 a whole PC in your palm! But its a new product, I would ask you to refrain from buying it right now because we don't know about the reliability and performance much. Though it looks promising.
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March 15, 2014 9:43:31 AM

I would go with this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus B85-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£64.74 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.96 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£112.49 @ Ebuyer)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£20.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Total: £562.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-15 18:08 GMT+0000)
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March 15, 2014 10:57:45 AM

Thanks again.

RazerZ - the Asus B85 Plus MB you suggested has "Memory Type DDR3-1066/1333/1600" listed on the specs. The Kingston Beast memory is DDR3-2400. Will that work together? Sorry if that's a dumber question!

I have no real idea how to choose between the builds suggested by Woltej1 and RazorZ ... they both seem similar. Or should I just go by price?
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March 15, 2014 11:03:06 AM

They are extremely similar, the only appreciable difference is my mobo is better while he picked higher frequency RAM, which may or may not be supported.
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March 15, 2014 11:09:49 AM

Fat Tony said:
Thanks again.

RazerZ - the Asus B85 Plus MB you suggested has "Memory Type DDR3-1066/1333/1600" listed on the specs. The Kingston Beast memory is DDR3-2400. Will that work together? Sorry if that's a dumber question!

I have no real idea how to choose between the builds suggested by Woltej1 and RazorZ ... they both seem similar. Or should I just go by price?


I would go with this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£54.37 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.96 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£112.49 @ Ebuyer)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£20.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Total: £552.35
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-15 18:10 GMT+0000)

Mixed mine and woltje1's builds.
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March 15, 2014 11:10:12 AM

Thanks - you are quick with your responses!
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March 15, 2014 11:11:41 AM

RazerZ said:
Fat Tony said:
Thanks again.

RazerZ - the Asus B85 Plus MB you suggested has "Memory Type DDR3-1066/1333/1600" listed on the specs. The Kingston Beast memory is DDR3-2400. Will that work together? Sorry if that's a dumber question!

I have no real idea how to choose between the builds suggested by Woltej1 and RazorZ ... they both seem similar. Or should I just go by price?


I would go with this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus B85-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£64.74 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.96 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£112.49 @ Ebuyer)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£20.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Total: £562.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-15 18:08 GMT+0000)


That's a fine build, and ours are very similar and in reality you won't notice a difference between them most likely, only recommendation is I would take the corsair 430W psu for its semi modular build, helps keeps your case clean.
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March 15, 2014 11:14:24 AM

Any comments/thoughts on cases and also quietness of the two build suggestions, please?
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March 15, 2014 11:16:56 AM

woltej1 said:
RazerZ said:
Fat Tony said:
Thanks again.

RazerZ - the Asus B85 Plus MB you suggested has "Memory Type DDR3-1066/1333/1600" listed on the specs. The Kingston Beast memory is DDR3-2400. Will that work together? Sorry if that's a dumber question!

I have no real idea how to choose between the builds suggested by Woltej1 and RazorZ ... they both seem similar. Or should I just go by price?


I would go with this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus B85-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£64.74 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.96 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£112.49 @ Ebuyer)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£20.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Total: £562.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-15 18:08 GMT+0000)


That's a fine build, and ours are very similar and in reality you won't notice a difference between them most likely, only recommendation is I would take the corsair 430W psu for its semi modular build, helps keeps your case clean.


Well that's true but corsair cx series aren't that reliable and have cheap capacitors.
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March 15, 2014 11:17:55 AM

His case would be more quiet as it is pretty much a closed case while the coolermaster would have better airflow but be a bit more loud because of the side intake. You aren't running anything high performance though so the bitfenix should get the job done, plus it does look pretty nice.
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March 15, 2014 11:20:27 AM

RazerZ said:
woltej1 said:
RazerZ said:
Fat Tony said:
Thanks again.

RazerZ - the Asus B85 Plus MB you suggested has "Memory Type DDR3-1066/1333/1600" listed on the specs. The Kingston Beast memory is DDR3-2400. Will that work together? Sorry if that's a dumber question!

I have no real idea how to choose between the builds suggested by Woltej1 and RazorZ ... they both seem similar. Or should I just go by price?


I would go with this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus B85-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£64.74 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.96 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£112.49 @ Ebuyer)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£20.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Total: £562.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-15 18:08 GMT+0000)


That's a fine build, and ours are very similar and in reality you won't notice a difference between them most likely, only recommendation is I would take the corsair 430W psu for its semi modular build, helps keeps your case clean.


Well that's true but corsair cx series aren't that reliable and have cheap capacitors.


Have you read any reviews on the cx 430 or are you just going off of what you hear a bunch of people repeat on here? it is highly reviewed and offers great voltage regulation, which the XFX is actually bad at. A lot of reviews the XFX will actually fluctuate out of tolerance. The cx does use 85c rated capacitors, but normal operating temps of a psu are 40C, so it doesn't mean much when overall the unit performs well and has been tested to operate extremely well at high temps.
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March 15, 2014 11:27:21 AM

woltej1 said:
RazerZ said:
woltej1 said:
RazerZ said:
Fat Tony said:
Thanks again.

RazerZ - the Asus B85 Plus MB you suggested has "Memory Type DDR3-1066/1333/1600" listed on the specs. The Kingston Beast memory is DDR3-2400. Will that work together? Sorry if that's a dumber question!

I have no real idea how to choose between the builds suggested by Woltej1 and RazorZ ... they both seem similar. Or should I just go by price?


I would go with this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£149.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus B85-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£64.74 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£57.96 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£84.56 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card (£112.49 @ Ebuyer)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£20.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Total: £562.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-15 18:08 GMT+0000)


That's a fine build, and ours are very similar and in reality you won't notice a difference between them most likely, only recommendation is I would take the corsair 430W psu for its semi modular build, helps keeps your case clean.


Well that's true but corsair cx series aren't that reliable and have cheap capacitors.


Have you read any reviews on the cx 430 or are you just going off of what you hear a bunch of people repeat on here? it is highly reviewed and offers great voltage regulation, which the XFX is actually bad at. A lot of reviews the XFX will actually fluctuate out of tolerance. The cx does use 85c rated capacitors, but normal operating temps of a psu are 40C, so it doesn't mean much when overall the unit performs well and has been tested to operate extremely well at high temps.


Well I'm going according to this site's list:
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...

Anyway he did say he wanted it to last for a long time and I feel it would be better to be safe than sorry.
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March 16, 2014 4:09:35 AM

Hello all, thanks for all the debate so far.
I have slept on it and have decided that I think I want something smaller than full ATX. I was thinking mini ITX and the the Corsair Obsidian 250D seems to be well reviewed. It is around £70, so a lot more than the ITX cases suggested here, but still within my budget.

Are there any alternative mini ITX cases you recommend I look at?

I'd appreciate a revision of the components I would need - the mobo would have to change, but can everything else stay the same?

Thanks
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March 16, 2014 4:50:59 PM

Can anyone please advise, or should I repost from scratch, as my requirements have changed?
Thanks
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