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March 15, 2014 9:24:46 PM

I have a Dell XPS 630i desktop from 2008 and would like to speed up my boot up time with Win 7 by changing my old hard drive to a new SSD. I will keep the old drive as add. storage, but will need to put the OS and necessary files on the new SSD. Am I looking at a very difficult situation trying to do this? Right now, after taking out about all startup apps out except for Avast and CCPort for Cisco, this machine takes 1:11 min to boot to PW stage, and an add. 3 min to become functional. Any help or advice is welcomed, thank you

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a b G Storage
March 15, 2014 9:32:09 PM

I highly doubt your old laptop from 2008 (six years old now) has a SATA III hard drive controller. This means that it is most likely a SATA II controller, which means you will get at least twice the speed of your old HDD instead of five times the speed. You'll still like the difference, it just won't be as nice as having a newer laptop with a faster SATA controller.

The best way to work would be to have an external hard drive and make an image backup of your system drive (C). I've used Acronis True Image for years, and it works very well but it's not free. I understand Easus works well and is free. Also, Windows 7 has the the ability to also make an image of your "C" drive, but you will need a Windows 7 boot disk in order to restore it to the SSD.

So make the image backup to an external HDD, then take out the old HDD and put the SSD in the laptop. Boot with whatever boot disk you are going to use for the Restore (Windows 7, Acronis True Image, Easus, etc.) and do the restore from the external HDD to the new SSD in your laptop.

That should do it. I've done it a number of times, it's not too hard.
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March 15, 2014 9:32:50 PM

Sure, if you have available SATA ports , it is a relatively easy update. You would need to move your OS and programs to the SSD to see an improvement in boot time.
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a b G Storage
March 15, 2014 9:33:16 PM

The difference in performance is absolutely INSANE! With any system, the performance “bottleneck” is almost always in the I/O. This is solved by having a solid SSD. The two best models available right now are the Samsung 840 EVO or the Samsung 840 Pro. The Pro is slightly faster (and slightly more expensive). You'll ask, “Is it worth the extra money to go with an SSD?” My answer, “UNDOUBTEDLY YES!” Here are links to the Evo and Pro:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-2-5-Inch-Inte...

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-2-5-Inch-Soli...

These two are the middle sizes. You can go bigger or smaller.

I run the 840 Pro. You won't believe the speed you get. I boot in like 12-15 seconds.
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a b G Storage
March 15, 2014 9:34:31 PM

Do it, you will love the new speed.
1. Purchase the SSD
2. Unplug the HDD
3. Plug the SSD (only SSD should be plugged in at this moment)
4. Install Windows 7 (using the OEM license, if you don't know the key. There are software out there that would find it for you)
5. Format and partition the SSD (if you want to partition, I just leave the entire space there)
6. Update and get all the drivers
7. Turn off PC and plug the HDD back
8. Move the personal data on HDD to elsewhere for backup
9. Format the HDD so there's no more Windows file on there
10. Put the personal data back on HDD

Steps 8-10 are optional, but I recommend it unless you are OK with leftover files on there, or if you think you can clean up all the unless junks.
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a b G Storage
March 15, 2014 9:34:55 PM

My bad, I assumed you had a Dell laptop. But the process is still the same.

You guys, you're misleading him! With his old SATA controller he will only get at MOST 200 MB/s out of his new SSD. That's at most 3 times as fast as he has now, maybe only twice as fast, depending on what HDD he has currently (I get 113 MB/s out of 1 TB HDDs, less out of smaller ones).

In order to get INSANE speeds he would need a SATA III controller, which will allow him to get up to 500 MB/s from an SSD. He ain't gonna get anywhere near those speeds with his old system. Ain't gonna happen.
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a b G Storage
March 15, 2014 9:37:58 PM

If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!
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March 15, 2014 9:38:23 PM

I like the Samsung 840 SSD as well.
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March 15, 2014 9:42:45 PM

mbreslin1954 said:
I highly doubt your old laptop from 2008 (six years old now) has a SATA III hard drive controller. This means that it is most likely a SATA II controller, which means you will get at least twice the speed of your old HDD instead of five times the speed. You'll still like the difference, it just won't be as nice as having a newer laptop with a faster SATA controller.

The best way to work would be to have an external hard drive and make an image backup of your system drive (C). I've used Acronis True Image for years, and it works very well but it's not free. I understand Easus works well and is free. Also, Windows 7 has the the ability to also make an image of your "C" drive, but you will need a Windows 7 boot disk in order to restore it to the SSD.

So make the image backup to an external HDD, then take out the old HDD and put the SSD in the laptop. Boot with whatever boot disk you are going to use for the Restore (Windows 7, Acronis True Image, Easus, etc.) and do the restore from the external HDD to the new SSD in your laptop.

That should do it. I've done it a number of times, it's not too hard.


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March 15, 2014 9:52:03 PM

Thanks guys. Too bad there isn't a way to change out the controller. I have a Samsung EV 240gb coming in on Monday. You are saying I will get about twice the speed as now. Will that be on boot time? (I hope) Once the system is booted and loads it's stuff it seems pretty good for an older system. If I only had about 5-6k laying around, I could get that Origin model I have been drooling over, lol.
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a b G Storage
March 15, 2014 9:54:28 PM

mbreslin1954 said:
My bad, I assumed you had a Dell laptop. But the process is still the same.

You guys, you're misleading him! With his old SATA controller he will only get at MOST 200 MB/s out of his new SSD. That's at most 3 times as fast as he has now, maybe only twice as fast, depending on what HDD he has currently (I get 113 MB/s out of 1 TB HDDs, less out of smaller ones).

In order to get INSANE speeds he would need a SATA III controller, which will allow him to get up to 500 MB/s from an SSD. He ain't gonna get anywhere near those speeds with his old system. Ain't gonna happen.


It's not all about the actual number, it's about the feel of the new drive. My laptop uses SATA II and I swapped out to a SSD. Boy I was the happiest person in the world. It just feels so much faster, and yes it might be twice or three times faster, but think about what happens in 5 seconds, the difference of total data throughput is multiplied.
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March 15, 2014 9:55:43 PM

There is. Just install a current motherboard, CPU, ect.:) 
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a b G Storage
March 15, 2014 9:58:52 PM

SSD = one of the best ways to boost performance. One wouldn't believe it, but it truly is.
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March 15, 2014 10:00:50 PM

terry4536 said:
There is. Just install a current motherboard, CPU, ect.:) 


I have considered a new build, but last time I did that was in the early 80's I think. A powerhouse with a 386 and 4 megs of RAM, Vram vga and a 330 meg scsi drive. :) 
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March 15, 2014 10:03:05 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
SSD = one of the best ways to boost performance. One wouldn't believe it, but it truly is.


I agree, my new Acer laptop has one, it is lightning fast. I would never consider buying a new system today if it didn't have at least one SSD.
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March 15, 2014 10:05:17 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!


Even if the disks are different capacities?
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March 15, 2014 10:06:28 PM

I remember those (286 as well). I can remember being pleased with the increased speed. They are just paperweights now.
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March 15, 2014 10:14:52 PM

terry4536 said:
I remember those (286 as well). I can remember being pleased with the increased speed. They are just paperweights now.


Good ole days of ms-dos, batch files, hardware and software never working well together. How things have changed!! I still keep the oldies around, don't quite know why.......
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March 15, 2014 10:25:05 PM

I still have a Dell XPS T500 from 1999 that still chugs along. Too slow to do much, but it still works.
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a b G Storage
March 16, 2014 8:27:09 AM

LTVETTE2 said:
dustinhunt78 said:
SSD = one of the best ways to boost performance. One wouldn't believe it, but it truly is.


I agree, my new Acer laptop has one, it is lightning fast. I would never consider buying a new system today if it didn't have at least one SSD.


LTVETTE2 said:
dustinhunt78 said:
If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!


Even if the disks are different capacities?


The contents of the disk of course have to fit on the new drive, but yes, I used the "Magician" software on different capacity disks and it worked to perfection.
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March 16, 2014 4:29:33 PM

mbreslin1954 said:
My bad, I assumed you had a Dell laptop. But the process is still the same.

You guys, you're misleading him! With his old SATA controller he will only get at MOST 200 MB/s out of his new SSD. That's at most 3 times as fast as he has now, maybe only twice as fast, depending on what HDD he has currently (I get 113 MB/s out of 1 TB HDDs, less out of smaller ones).

In order to get INSANE speeds he would need a SATA III controller, which will allow him to get up to 500 MB/s from an SSD. He ain't gonna get anywhere near those speeds with his old system. Ain't gonna happen.


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March 16, 2014 4:32:05 PM

I just pulled the computer apart a little and the hard disk says SATA 3.0, can't seem to see anything else about the number on the cables or MB, do you think 3.0 is same as III ?
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a b G Storage
March 16, 2014 4:35:46 PM

Yes, no doubt your desktop hard drive is a SATA III/3.0 drive. However, almost all hard drives made for the past number of years have been SATA 3 drives. That doesn't mean your HDD controller is. If it's six years old, it's Sata 2.

I believe your PC is a Core 2 Duo, correct? Well, I built three different PCs with the next gen Intel CPU, i7-750 (Lynnfield), a year or two newer than yours, and their motherboards all had Sata 2 controllers. At the time you could not buy an Intel board with a SATA 3 controller on it.
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March 16, 2014 4:53:58 PM

mbreslin1954 said:
Yes, no doubt your desktop hard drive is a SATA III/3.0 drive. However, almost all hard drives made for the past number of years have been SATA 3 drives. That doesn't mean your HDD controller is. If it's six years old, it's Sata 2.

I believe your PC is a Core 2 Duo, correct? Well, I built three different PCs with the next gen Intel CPU, i7-750 (Lynnfield), a year or two newer than yours, and their motherboards all had Sata 2 controllers. At the time you could not buy an Intel board with a SATA 3 controller on it.


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March 16, 2014 4:56:46 PM

My processor is an Intel 6600q, 4 core, not sure about MB chipset.
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a b G Storage
March 16, 2014 5:06:47 PM

It's a Core 2 CPU, although the quad-core version of it. Intel calls it: "Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600". It's the same generation. One before the i5-750 came out (not the i7 as I previously wrote). The i5-750 came out over two years after yours did, and as I said, at the time, you could not get an Intel motherboard with a SATA III controller on it, excerpt perhaps from third-parties. The Intel chipsets did not support SATA III.

http://ark.intel.com/products/29765/Intel-Core2-Quad-Pr...
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March 16, 2014 5:06:54 PM

Is there way for some software to tell me what the HD controller is actually on this MB. Did a Dell diagnostic. but didn't get that answer. In it is only Sata 2 controller, am I just wasting money and time on the SSD for a minute or 2 faster boot time? I mean we all want everything yesterday, and expect technology to be instantaneous, but is 1-2 minutes worth $ 150.........
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a b G Storage
March 16, 2014 5:15:53 PM

The only way I know is to look up the motherboard chipset, with something like "Speccy", then look up to see what level of SATA that chipset supported.

http://www.piriform.com/speccy/download

Don't get me wrong, you'll still benefit from the drive. It will cut your boot time by almost half. Even though it will be twice as fast as your current drive (possibly more), you still have anywhere from 8 to 15 seconds of wasted time going through BIOS, which the drive will not help with. So if you are currently seeing 71 second boot times, this could drop it down to 36 to 40 seconds.

Also, the drive will last a long time. When you build or buy a new PC, you can move the SSD to the new PC, replace the HDD on the new one, then you will see a HUGE difference. It's an investment. My SSD is on it's second PC already, and I'll no doubt use it on my next, which would be its third one.
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March 16, 2014 5:44:47 PM

Thank you, you have been extremely helpful in this matter for sure. I am looking forward to getting into this change over Monday night . Thanks again, Larry T And speccy is really cool software
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March 17, 2014 5:48:05 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!


Did you need a sata to usb adapter to do this? I am beating my brains out trying to get magician to work otherwise..
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a b G Storage
March 17, 2014 5:54:59 PM

LTVETTE2 said:
dustinhunt78 said:
If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!


Did you need a sata to usb adapter to do this? I am beating my brains out trying to get magician to work otherwise..


No. You can just plug the new SSD into a SATA slot on your motherboard. IT really is easy to transfer like this. I was very happy with the whole process.
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March 17, 2014 6:08:23 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
LTVETTE2 said:
dustinhunt78 said:
If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!


Did you need a sata to usb adapter to do this? I am beating my brains out trying to get magician to work otherwise..


No. You can just plug the new SSD into a SATA slot on your motherboard. IT really is easy to transfer like this. I was very happy with the whole process.


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a b G Storage
March 17, 2014 6:11:08 PM

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LTVETTE2 said:
dustinhunt78 said:
LTVETTE2 said:
dustinhunt78 said:
If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!


Did you need a sata to usb adapter to do this? I am beating my brains out trying to get magician to work otherwise..


No. You can just plug the new SSD into a SATA slot on your motherboard. IT really is easy to transfer like this. I was very happy with the whole process.




You copied and pasted what I wrote?! LOL Why?!
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March 17, 2014 6:11:20 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
LTVETTE2 said:
dustinhunt78 said:
If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!


Did you need a sata to usb adapter to do this? I am beating my brains out trying to get magician to work otherwise..


No. You can just plug the new SSD into a SATA slot on your motherboard. IT really is easy to transfer like this. I was very happy with the whole process.


I tried that originally. No joy. At this point somehow I removed the OS from the original HDD. I am in a world of you know what right now. Trying to restore my original HDD from the external, will be a few hours, if it works. Sent for an adapter that Samsung seems to rec.,
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March 17, 2014 6:48:07 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
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dustinhunt78 said:
LTVETTE2 said:
dustinhunt78 said:
If you get one of those Samsung drives, they will come with the "Magician" software for making an exact clone of your current disk. I used it and it worked great!


Did you need a sata to usb adapter to do this? I am beating my brains out trying to get magician to work otherwise..


No. You can just plug the new SSD into a SATA slot on your motherboard. IT really is easy to transfer like this. I was very happy with the whole process.




You copied and pasted what I wrote?! LOL Why?!


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March 17, 2014 6:49:49 PM

Sorry, I am losing my mind tonight. Just don't seem to have the computer savvy I used to have. Time to put it all down and try tomorrow......
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a b G Storage
March 17, 2014 6:57:28 PM

12906541,0,366513 said:
Sorry, I am losing my mind tonight. Just don't seem to have the computer savvy I used to have. Time to put it all down and try tomorrow......[/quotemsg

LOL Sounds good. You need some sleep. :D 
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March 18, 2014 2:24:15 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
12906541,0,366513 said:
Sorry, I am losing my mind tonight. Just don't seem to have the computer savvy I used to have. Time to put it all down and try tomorrow......[/quotemsg

LOL Sounds good. You need some sleep. :D 
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March 18, 2014 2:29:08 PM

You were right! My bosses always love it when I say it. I sent for an adapter as per Samsung's pictorals, didn't work. So I loaded all the software and plugged a larger SSD that I sent, and bingo, cloning is happening on other system as I write.....If I had only done this earlier......I was up all last night restoring my HDD back to a 2011 status, and installing about 200 updates, OUCH.
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a b G Storage
March 18, 2014 5:17:03 PM

LTVETTE2 said:
You were right! My bosses always love it when I say it. I sent for an adapter as per Samsung's pictorals, didn't work. So I loaded all the software and plugged a larger SSD that I sent, and bingo, cloning is happening on other system as I write.....If I had only done this earlier......I was up all last night restoring my HDD back to a 2011 status, and installing about 200 updates, OUCH.


Glad it worked! Now hit the "Pick this as the solution" button wherever it was that I told you about the cloning software. Others will be able to use this thread. I can't reach everybody and tell them how great the Samsung 840 Pros and the Magician software is or I would! LOL

So it's as easy and worked every bit as good as I said for you? It really is easy enough for anyone to do. Even someone that is a "beginner" in computer hardware should be able to pull off the hard drive cloning with Magician. Samsung really did a good job. First off in building a VERY good SSD, but they iced the cake with the Magician software. One can't ask for better!
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a b G Storage
March 18, 2014 5:24:29 PM

So which drive did you end up getting, by the way? And I REALLY want to hear your reaction as to how fast it is. LOL Nobody who hasn't experienced a high performance SSD knows what they're missing. High performance SSD's are the best thing since sliced bread! I have never experienced a super fast PCI-e SSD like the http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-RevoDrive-Express-Solid-State... . Now that you've seen how fast the Samsung 840 is. The OCZ that I listed here is literally 3 times faster than the Samsung!! I can't really imagine what that must be like. LOL Before it's over, I WILL own one.
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March 18, 2014 5:47:54 PM

I ended up with the Samsung EVO 500 gb. About $ 300 with a sleeve to put in a hard drive bay. It is like a new computer!! Not just boot time, but overall performance rivals that of my new high performance laptop I got 6 months ago. It put new life into a 6 y.o. system I was about to junk. I just saved about 2-3K by NOT buying a new computer......Life is good again, sorry HP, Dell, and Origin, no sale from me for a while!
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a b G Storage
March 18, 2014 5:54:49 PM

LTVETTE2 said:
I ended up with the Samsung EVO 500 gb. About $ 300 with a sleeve to put in a hard drive bay. It is like a new computer!! Not just boot time, but overall performance rivals that of my new high performance laptop I got 6 months ago. It put new life into a 6 y.o. system I was about to junk. I just saved about 2-3K by NOT buying a new computer......Life is good again, sorry HP, Dell, and Origin, no sale from me for a while!


I try to tell people exactly what you just wrote ALL the time. Some listen, some don't. But the ones who do are NEVER disappointed. It's amazing what a top end SSD will do for your computer's performance!

Glad you're happy with it. Thats the only thing that really matters. :) 
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March 19, 2014 5:54:43 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
LTVETTE2 said:
I ended up with the Samsung EVO 500 gb. About $ 300 with a sleeve to put in a hard drive bay. It is like a new computer!! Not just boot time, but overall performance rivals that of my new high performance laptop I got 6 months ago. It put new life into a 6 y.o. system I was about to junk. I just saved about 2-3K by NOT buying a new computer......Life is good again, sorry HP, Dell, and Origin, no sale from me for a while!


I try to tell people exactly what you just wrote ALL the time. Some listen, some don't. But the ones who do are NEVER disappointed. It's amazing what a top end SSD will do for your computer's performance!

Glad you're happy with it. Thats the only thing that really matters. :) 


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March 19, 2014 5:58:40 PM

Thanks again man! Boot time until online before SSD, 3-4 minutes. Boot time now, until online, 1:04 !!! 3-5 times faster. Plus everything else is noticeably faster, WOW. Only issue is that through the process I adopted Websteriods, and am having a heck of a time getting rid of it. Defender doesn't see it, Avast doesn't see it either. Any ideas that won't cost?
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a b G Storage
March 19, 2014 6:09:36 PM

LTVETTE2 said:
Thanks again man! Boot time until online before SSD, 3-4 minutes. Boot time now, until online, 1:04 !!! 3-5 times faster. Plus everything else is noticeably faster, WOW. Only issue is that through the process I adopted Websteriods, and am having a heck of a time getting rid of it. Defender doesn't see it, Avast doesn't see it either. Any ideas that won't cost?


What can I say?! Told ya! :D  LOL INSANE difference in performance with a good SSD. I'm just glad you're happy. That's all that matters in the end.

As far as Websteroids, try this......

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w...
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March 19, 2014 7:01:37 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
LTVETTE2 said:
Thanks again man! Boot time until online before SSD, 3-4 minutes. Boot time now, until online, 1:04 !!! 3-5 times faster. Plus everything else is noticeably faster, WOW. Only issue is that through the process I adopted Websteriods, and am having a heck of a time getting rid of it. Defender doesn't see it, Avast doesn't see it either. Any ideas that won't cost?


What can I say?! Told ya! :D  LOL INSANE difference in performance with a good SSD. I'm just glad you're happy. That's all that matters in the end.

As far as Websteroids, try this......

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=w...


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March 19, 2014 7:03:20 PM

Now I am thinking about getting a couple more SSD's and upgrading all my older computers! Cheaper than buying new computers :) 
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a b G Storage
March 21, 2014 2:43:16 PM

LTVETTE2 said:
Now I am thinking about getting a couple more SSD's and upgrading all my older computers! Cheaper than buying new computers :) 


In all likelihood it will boost performance. The overwhelming majority of all computer systems finds that their performance "bottleneck" occurs within I/O. By adding a strong SSD like the Samsung 840 Evo or 840 Pro you will raise the bar for performance of your machine. SSD's are definitely the future of computing. I give HDD's 5 years max and we'll see them go the way of the old floppy disk.
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March 21, 2014 3:16:01 PM

dustinhunt78 said:
LTVETTE2 said:
Now I am thinking about getting a couple more SSD's and upgrading all my older computers! Cheaper than buying new computers :) 


In all likelihood it will boost performance. The overwhelming majority of all computer systems finds that their performance "bottleneck" occurs within I/O. By adding a strong SSD like the Samsung 840 Evo or 840 Pro you will raise the bar for performance of your machine. SSD's are definitely the future of computing. I give HDD's 5 years max and we'll see them go the way of the old floppy disk.


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